Jumping to conclusions? Sony is also aiming for forward compatibility.
I don't game on an Xbox but I do game on PS and this is the first I've heard of this. That would be pretty cool! Not to derail but do you have a link for that?
Jumping to conclusions? Sony is also aiming for forward compatibility.
Ports of the best titles from the previous generation have proved an excellent money maker and a relatively simple way to fill out the lean months post launch. I'd say that's a pretty tempting reason for Sony.
Going to need receipts for this cause everything they have talked about are saying the opposite.
Why does it matter?
Backwards compatibility sure, but never forwards.Wait, what have they said that was the opposite of this? Wasn't the point of going to a x32 architecture, the purpose of forward compatibility?
'Reaching 4K and GPU Scaling Across Multiple Xbox Devices'.
God-damn. We have Jaguar.digital foundry new leak about Scorpio : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9zIvjH3S54
edit : uploaded today
I don't game on an Xbox but I do game on PS and this is the first I've heard of this. That would be pretty cool! Not to derail but do you have a link for that?
I think Mark Cerny mentioned it somewhere as to why they ditched Cell and moved to x86 architecture. Let me find it.
He mentioned it at the ps4 unveiling and then a talk he did shortly after.
God-damn. We have Jaguar.
Pack it up. Chobel, get my avatar ready.
We want to give you a decent upgrade my arse Phil. Damn I'm salty.
Yeah, I think it was around that time. They wanted Cell architecture on PS4 to have PS3 compatibility but had to make a hard choice to think of the future instead of the past mistakes.
lol 2017 and still Jaguar... i feel better with my PS4 Pro purchase now.
Your 1st gen i7 absolutely destroys the Jaguar cores we'll get.I'm still running new releases at 4k with an i7 920 from 8 years ago....I just upgrade my GPU.
Don't be salty, it will probably be fine.
I know some of you might be disappointed by it not being more powerful, but if theyy deliver it at 399 for a bit more powerful than a Pro, and you are an xbox only guy, you won't be disappointed. Games with unlocked framerates are more stable (Battlefield 1 is a huge improvement). Downsampling is really really nice. For anything that is checkerboard rendered(not sure if thats the right term), once you are playing on a big 4k TV you really can't notice a difference (compared to 900p v 1080p). It's a very worthwhile purchase still.
Your 1st gen i7 absolutely destroys the Jaguar cores we'll get.
I'm kind of sad because I've never been less hype for new consoles than I am right now. The Switch, PS4 Pro, and Scorpio don't really have compelling reasons for me to buy any of them. Regarding the Scorpio, I really don't need to buy it if I already have PC and there will only be a few exclusive titles on the platform. I'm searching for reasons to get hype for this stuff, but to me all these new consoles seem like a huge waste of money.
Yeah, I get the size of the upgrade to the GPU, but from looking it at a high level, you've got a CPU in a console releasing at the end of 2017 which would be outclassed by CPU's from over 7 years ago.That's not the point though....the point is that even if it's a similar CPU, the GPU is going to be the biggest and most important upgrade.
No reason to be upset. Wait for the results.
Yeah, I get the size of the upgrade to the GPU, but from looking it at a high level, you've got a CPU in a console releasing at the end of 2017 which would be outclassed by CPU's from over 7 years ago.
Like what's that shit about.
Who care what CPU inside if the machine give you 4K 60dps Forza 7.
Lol what else is he gonna say?
"Played Scorpio earlier, needs work, was alright though"...
Revised Phil Tweet should be GAF's daily game today.
"Great day, Scorpio update w/ team. Played my first games on early Scorpio unit. Not sure what they were thinking. Jaguar what? LoL."
Well, yeah? Gamers rushing out to buy new hardware, devs trying new things with their brand new SDK, media frenzy about launch lineups, system shortages, controller changes, etc... the console market really benefits from this, IMO.
He just wouldn't say anything
Same lolsI really like the look of the Xbox One S... i kind of secretly hope it looks the same, lol.
doing that automatically would mean every game would have to run at dynamic res or unlocked FPS, which generally speaking they can't mandate outside of encouraging first parties to do that.
How can the Pro be a response if it was in production much earlier? Wasn't the Scorpio stuff leaked/publicized after the Pro docs got out?
This isn't console warz stuff, I just think your timeline is incorrect.
I think one way MS is combating that is with UWP and how that scales between Xbox and PC.I wouldnt go that far in saying x86 guarantees BC. When you read interviews with Cerny about how he developed the PS4 pro hardware, he was very cautious about how to approach it so that the machine can still run in a base PS4 mode with the same hardware. Even changing the GPU slightly would cause issues os if the CPU ran at a different clock speed for current games on the system. He also said it be difficult for MS to go without generations because of changing gpu architectures(however we are talking about a company who's emulation abilities and legendary).
This might be due to the fact that Xbox and PS4 dev kits allow developers to target the hardware directly. So if sony goes with a different CPU and GPU architecture, I wonder how they will handle BC.
I could be wrong though, but based on the interviews Cerny did, didnt give me much hope for BC on PS5. If I am wrong please someone reassure me as I have games on my PS4 that I own digitally that id like to keep on PS5.
Yes there is.
There are two different paths here:
- You buy an "Xbox" game and put it in Xbox One or Scorpio or Windows 10 PC and it will work.
- You buy a PS5 game, it will not work on your PS4.
Whether the PS5 plays PS4 games or not is irrelevant. They key difference is forward compatibility.
Holy shit.The Scorpio is not just about the console itself. Scorpio's launch as a 'statment of intent' has the potential to 'reset' MS's intentions in regards to how they do business. More first party investments in new studios, less reliance on safe franchises, more looking into their own portfolio of IP's they are sitting on ect.
Think outside the box, its not just about the power of the HW. If MS play their cards right, it could be about signalling a real rethinking of their strategy about catering to their fans.
The Scorpio is not just about the console itself. Scorpio's launch as a 'statment of intent' has the potential to 'reset' MS's intentions in regards to how they do business. More first party investments in new studios, less reliance on safe franchises, more looking into their own portfolio of IP's they are sitting on ect.
Think outside the box, its not just about the power of the HW. If MS play their cards right, it could be about signalling a real rethinking of their strategy about catering to their fans.
It can work if they simply transition Xbox to a service that can run on any type of hardware. Even PC hardware that you assemble yourself.
Basically, have them create a proper steambox with broad software support and an Xbox UI.
If Sony offer PS4 full and automatic backwards compatibility with the PS5, there is no difference.
I don't agree with Pro being "half-assed" as it's what was available in it's release timeframe.All consoles now are x86 PCs and the architecture will remain the same, that's why Sony was able to quickly iterate on the PS4 and make a beefier version of it.
Scorpio is a next-gen machine with the added benefit that all your old games will still be compatible. From this point on, similar to PCs, you'll not lose your library when you buy a next-gen system. I guess since NeoGAF is confsued, Microsoft will need to do a little work to make it clear to everyone that Scorpio isn't just a half-assed upgrade (which the PS4 Pro kinda is...), but a full blown next-gen machine that's just backwards-compatible to your current library.
On a game basis yeah. Games won't be forced to support bone forever, but afterwards support will be optional, which is better than not possible.Wait. Are you saying that the system after the Scorpio (basically the same as a PS5), that those games will also be playable on the Xbox One?
Lttp Phil, I played mine way ahead of you, it's call PC.
I think one way MS is combating that is with UWP and how that scales between Xbox and PC.
I'm sure he did, why do you think it got cancelled?
lol 2017 and still Jaguar... i feel better with my PS4 Pro purchase now.
Hilarious, who said this originally?The Scorpio is not just about the console itself. Scorpio's launch as a 'statment of intent' has the potential to 'reset' MS's intentions in regards to how they do business. More first party investments in new studios, less reliance on safe franchises, more looking into their own portfolio of IP's they are sitting on ect.
Think outside the box, its not just about the power of the HW. If MS play their cards right, it could be about signalling a real rethinking of their strategy about catering to their fans.
Your mistake is...
The next Xbox after Scorpio the games will play only in that next Xbox and possible PC. Same for PS5.
Scorpio is pretty much the same plan than Pro.
I'm kind of sad because I've never been less hype for new consoles than I am right now. The Switch, PS4 Pro, and Scorpio don't really have compelling reasons for me to buy any of them. Regarding the Scorpio, I really don't need to buy it if I already have PC and there will only be a few exclusive titles on the platform. I'm searching for reasons to get hype for this stuff, but to me all these new consoles seem like a huge waste of money.