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Player's that don't use mics in MP centric games ruin them

The best solution to this IMO would be to let people select whether or not they want to use a mic before they start a game. Mic users can be matched with mic users and vice versa, so no one has an advantage. And the two groups could be automatically combined in (and only in) the scenario of a super low population count.
 
If you don't care about winning enough to form a dedicated group, queue in quick play. It's called competitive for a reason.

If you don't care about winning enough to play at least eight hours a day, queue in quick play. It's called competitive for a reason.
 
I really, really miss the times when everyone was nice to each other in online games.

Parents ruined that, stupid idiots who cannot keep their offspring in leash. I was raised to be a good boy, nowadays kids can do whatever they want. And it is not their fault but those damn stupid, useless lazy ass parents.

Is it so hard to teach your kid to respect other people, regardless of gender or colour?

About 85% of parents born in the 70s should be flogged. Hippyism and other absolutely insane beliefs ruined a couple of generations, and now their kids are even worse.
 
I agree it is simple.

If you are playing a high stakes pvp match don't play with randoms.

If you don't want to hear things that offend you in an online multiplayer game, don't play online multiplayer games.

See? I can make bullshit, shortsighted, selfish arguments too!
 
Most of the time when I am playing games with mic chat, it's usually at times when it'd be a terrible idea (mainly at night when people are sleeping). Not everyone has a sound-proofed room, for pete's sake, and I'm willing to bet that a lot of people are in the position where they don't want to annoy or wake up their housemates/roommates/neighbours with voice chat. Sorry, but them's the brakes.

And I've yet to encounter mic chat players who are actually using it seriously. Let's be honest, public voice chat is cancer, no wonder it's scared people off into using party chat instead. But the online community brought it on themselves.
 
This thread is just the perfect example of why so few people use mics. You can spot the people who would be massive pricks if you didn't meet their standards a mile off
 
Cuningas de Häme;241424938 said:
I really, really miss the times when everyone was nice to each other in online games.

When exactly was that, though? I've been playing online games since around 98 (Ultima Online and Quake were the gateway drugs) and quite literally the only online community I've ever encountered that wasn't a total and complete cesspool is the Monster Hunter community.
 
I can tell you exactly why I won't use coms in public Multiplayer games.

It's because of toxic, scathing individuals (mostly teens) who hide behind their anonymity talking shit to you all day while they wouldn't even dare to say a beep to you in real life.
Sadly this is the norm in most games nowdays.

I simply have no capacity to deal with this bullshit anymore, that's why I deactivate public coms whenever it's possible.
I absolutly enjoy playing with coms whenever I play with friends or people I know that are decent.

So if this diminishes your experience OP.. well too bad
 
In competitive play, I suppose I'd agree with you.

Then again, I don't play in competitive modes. I queue up in QM either with friends and chat with them over skype or I solo queue and mute fucking everyone.

Edit: also, this ^^
 
I don't use mic with randoms only with friends. Being black I have been called the N word enough that I just don't care to talk to randoms.

It's one of the reason I don't do comp in Overwatch and stick to QP
 
As someone who did the exact same thing for years I call bullshit on your bullshit. Raiding isn't the only thing you do in MMOs and MMOs are designed around creating and fostering large groups so raids can be done in that fashion (i.e. Guilds).

On top of that Raid Finder also exists which allows people to get together and raid without saying a word because often communication isn't necessary at all.

My bullshit? That it IS feasible to schedule a dedicated group to play with? That's bullshit? LFR and "other activities" are entirely beside the point. If we could get 40 people to raid 4-5 nights a week in EQ, there's no reason you can't find, in a game with a player base the size of Overwatch, a mere FOUR other people to play regularly. If being hardcore competitive is that important to you, that is. Otherwise you are casual and don't want to admit it. You apparently want to play at being hardcore competitive but rely on randoms to do so.

I'm 100% casual in both Overwatch (where I play quick play entirely) and WoW (where I'm in a guild that raids but doesn't require it which is great because I don't have the time these days).

Raid finder exist and requires no communication because the fights are dumbed down to being basically no mechanics so people who don't want to commit to full raiding under normal to mythic can see the content. If you want to argue that it's there because normal raiding "isn't feasible" for most people you have a point... but it actually points to what I've been saying all along.

If the top end play mode isn't feasible for you, then you have two options. Play casually (ie quick play in Overwatch or care less in Competetive) or put the work in to actually play hardcore competitively.


Competitive Overwatch is literally the only high level play in the game. When I log into B.net that's what I'm looking to do every time. You're equating two wildly different activities to promote a solution that isn't feasible for most people.

They are different. Scheduling 40+ people is way harder than scheduling 4 more people. And yet we did it because we cared enough to do it. If you don't care enough to find 4 other people for a team than you aspire to a higher level of competition than you are suited for.

And there's nothing wrong with that, you just have to come to peace with it like the rest of us do.
 
If you don't want to hear things that offend you in an online multiplayer game, don't play online multiplayer games.

See? I can make bullshit, shortsighted, selfish arguments too!

What I said was none of those things. What other "high stakes" competition would you enter with random people and get pissy when they aren't playing the way you want them to play to win?

None.

The fact is, no pickup games, whether in Quick Play or Competitive is really all that "high stakes" anyway. You're making it out to be more important than it is.
 
This thread is just the perfect example of why so few people use mics. You can spot the people who would be massive pricks if you didn't meet their standards a mile off

This thread has been enlightening. Most "pro-mic" people here come of as the kind of players that get muted before the game has even started. A wonderful little snapshot of just how toxic online communites are at this point, if they think that behavior is something people should accept.
 
Not only do I not use my Mic, I immediately mute anyone in the game who is.
I reserve Mic use for parties with friends. Life is too short to listen to racist idiots, heavy breathers or gross eating when I am kicking back with a few rounds.
 
Mics aren't mandatory so nobody has the right to criticise people who choose not to use them. Especially when there's so many valid reasons to not want to use them, including constant sexism against female gamers and racism. Should those people being abused just not be allowed to play competitive?

Communication definitely gives you an advantage but it's not a guaranteed win. Skill is more important.
 
Maybe I should play The Division.

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What I said was none of those things. What other "high stakes" competition would you enter with random people and get pissy when they aren't playing the way you want them to play to win?

None.

The fact is, no pickup games, whether in Quick Play or Competitive is really all that "high stakes" anyway. You're making it out to be more important than it is.

Okay, I definitely agree that they are not high stakes. The only high stakes versions would be tournaments or league play with cash or prizes on the line, in which case, people who play are part of a dedicated team.

But in terms of the actual Quick Play or Competitive options, there is an undeniable distinction between the two. Quick Play is for those who simply want to play the game online with and against other random people who may or may not be near to their skill level. Competitive is for those who want to play with others close to their skill level with set rules in an environment that fosters higher level strategy than Quick Play. In such an environment, communication is necessary for repeated success, even if that success is not guaranteed.

Now the thing is, whether you pick Quick Play or Competitive, it's perfectly okay to want to win and play well. In fact, if you're playing an online multiplayer game in general, while fun is obviously a driving factor, it kind of goes without saying that your participation indicates that you are trying to fulfill the goals of whatever game you are playing, regardless of if you are good or not, or whether you want to do well or not. I mean, while the main reason a person plays a game in general (especially something casual or Quick Play) is for that person to have fun, the goal of a game (in terms of the game's rules and objectives) is to win it.

Long story short, people who just want to play a game and don't want to use their mic should stick to Quick Play. They can still want to win and do well, but without the mic, they're acknowledging that their usefulness to their teammates is diminished, as is their overall chances of winning and doing well. But it's still okay.

But for those who decide to play Competitive, they should use a microphone. They are playing in an environment that has both explicit and implicit expectations of communication and teamwork. Somebody without a microphone or who completely mutes voice chat is automatically a detriment to their team, as the ability to relay any information about the game is unavailable, as is the ability to receive important information from their team that would assist them in enhancing their chances to win and do well.

Obviously toxicity in online gaming is a thing. However, somebody saying that it occurs in every single game they've ever played is disingenuous and hyperbolic. In fact, it's probably not even a majority of the games played - we just tend to notice things that annoy us in life more than neutral or good experiences. Talk to a poker player for more than a few minutes and they'll tell you their bad beat stories. But they won't remember the times they made large amounts of money on a hand they got they best of. It's some kind of internal bias.
 
Player's that don't use mic's in MP centric game's ruin them :
Were on the same page then, and I could have conveyed this a bit better for sure.
Incredible

This thread is just the perfect example of why so few people use mics. You can spot the people who would be massive pricks if you didn't meet their standards a mile off
Indeed. They even refuse to acknowledge the reasons why many people won't use mics. It's pathetic.
 
This thread has been enlightening. Most "pro-mic" people here come of as the kind of players that get muted before the game has even started. A wonderful little snapshot of just how toxic online communites are at this point, if they think that behavior is something people should accept.

Couldn't have said it better. It is a shame they don't realise they are part of the problem.
 
Cuningas de Häme;241424938 said:
I really, really miss the times when everyone was nice to each other in online games.

Parents ruined that, stupid idiots who cannot keep their offspring in leash. I was raised to be a good boy, nowadays kids can do whatever they want. And it is not their fault but those damn stupid, useless lazy ass parents.

Is it so hard to teach your kid to respect other people, regardless of gender or colour?

About 85% of parents born in the 70s should be flogged. Hippyism and other absolutely insane beliefs ruined a couple of generations, and now their kids are even worse.

To point out the irony in complaining about treating others with respect by this Good Boy would be acknowledging that this is a real post.

It's not, right?
 
I can tell you exactly why I won't use coms in public Multiplayer games.

It's because of toxic, scathing individuals (mostly teens) who hide behind their anonymity talking shit to you all day while they wouldn't even dare to say a beep to you in real life.
Sadly this is the norm in most games nowdays.

I simply have no capacity to deal with this bullshit anymore, that's why I deactivate public coms whenever it's possible.
I absolutly enjoy playing with coms whenever I play with friends or people I know that are decent.

So if this diminishes your experience OP.. well too bad

This guy gets it.
 
It's a bit concerning that we have replies in this thread from women and racial minorities giving very understandable reasons why they won't use voice chat, and no one has really tried to address those concerns.

The most we've got are replies saying they can just mute those individual players, but is it really a problem that people would have such bad experiences in the past that they would just want to prevent hearing such toxicity before playing?

Am I required to hear the word "nigger" at least once per match before deciding I shouldn't use voice chat?
 
Cuningas de Häme;241424938 said:
I really, really miss the times when everyone was nice to each other in online games.

Parents ruined that, stupid idiots who cannot keep their offspring in leash. I was raised to be a good boy, nowadays kids can do whatever they want. And it is not their fault but those damn stupid, useless lazy ass parents.

Is it so hard to teach your kid to respect other people, regardless of gender or colour?

About 85% of parents born in the 70s should be flogged. Hippyism and other absolutely insane beliefs ruined a couple of generations, and now their kids are even worse.
What are you even talking about?
 
It's a bit concerning that we have replies in this thread from women and racial minorities giving very understandable reasons why they won't use voice chat, and no one has really tried to address those concerns.

The most we've got are replies saying they can just mute those individual players, but is it really a problem that people would have such bad experiences in the past that they would just want to prevent hearing such toxicity before playing?

Am I required to hear the word "nigger" at least once per match before deciding I shouldn't use voice chat?

"Just mute and move on", duh

And do this over and over

At no point, however, should you decide that "ok that's enough" and simply default to not using a mic at all because you're muting constantly otherwise. Because then that makes you the terrible, uncooperative player person. Just grow some thicker skin.
/s
 
I only agree with this for ranked matches and games with heavy cooperation.

And I'm surprised at how many people are proud that they're ruining other people's ranked matches by not communicating. It's almost like being a griefer.

You guys realize you are the bad guys right?

Nah, I'd say the guys that drove everyone off open chat are the worst, followed by anyone who thinks they have a say in which modes other players are allowed to play.

Spoiler alert: you don't have a say.

I've been playing competitive Overwatch and never find players talking, and i'm pretty close do Diamond. It's stupid not to talk.

That makes no sense. I hate players like you.

A tiny bit of self-awareness would go a long way into making this a better thread.

A lot of people who play games are selfish pussies who for some reason choose to ruin other people's competitive games instead of playing casual where they belong if they don't want to use a mic or take part in the team aspect of a team-based game.

Some people here are saying they don't use mics because other people are assholes, which I don't quite understand. You can mute them and still use your mic, doesn't really make sense but they need any excuse to justify their lazy cunty decisions.

Stay out of competitive anything if you have thin skin. You can be sensitive just don't bring down people who are trying to win.

How about no, I'll keep playing whatever mode I want, with the mic off, and now I'll get a warm fuzzy feeling knowing that it's making people with your attitude lose their s***.

It's unbelievable that you're accusing other players of having thin skin with a post like that. We're talking IMAX levels of projection.
 
How about no, I'll keep playing whatever mode I want, with the mic off, and now I'll get a warm fuzzy feeling knowing that it's making people with your attitude lose their s***.

Yikes.

Yeah, that's a healthy point of view alright.

I'm not saying everyone has to like using a mic, but the "Fuck you I'm glad I'm pissing off people who want me on mic when I don't use it" point of view is so aggressively childish.
 
This thread is amazing.

On Topic: Fuck you guys, I'll play with my Mic on or off regardless of the mode.
 
The best solution to this IMO would be to let people select whether or not they want to use a mic before they start a game. Mic users can be matched with mic users and vice versa, so no one has an advantage. And the two groups could be automatically combined in (and only in) the scenario of a super low population count.

Honestly I dont know why this cant be the future.

I hardly ever play online now, because no one talks.
 
I'd participate more if the others on the team who were talking, weren't saying absolute drivel.
More often than not, it's someone complaining about a pick, or about dying, or whatever, and it really adds nothing to the experience other than adding noise to the music I'm trying to enjoy.
 
The best solution to this IMO would be to let people select whether or not they want to use a mic before they start a game. Mic users can be matched with mic users and vice versa, so no one has an advantage. And the two groups could be automatically combined in (and only in) the scenario of a super low population count.

It sounds like a good idea, but in reality, just about everything that divides player bases seems to harm the games that implement them. It's the same reason a lot of devs are moving away from map packs because they were losing a big chunk of players at each turn.
 
Cuningas de Häme;241424938 said:
I really, really miss the times when everyone was nice to each other in online games.

Parents ruined that, stupid idiots who cannot keep their offspring in leash. I was raised to be a good boy, nowadays kids can do whatever they want. And it is not their fault but those damn stupid, useless lazy ass parents.

Is it so hard to teach your kid to respect other people, regardless of gender or colour?

About 85% of parents born in the 70s should be flogged. Hippyism and other absolutely insane beliefs ruined a couple of generations, and now their kids are even worse.
Grandpa? Is that you!?
 
I use mic with friends but even then i barely talk due to being shy.
I avoid competitive mode in team based game completley and have mic off when playing casual modes with random.

Also from experience with randoms, even if you actually follow that one guy that tries to give instructions, i generally end up being the only one listening which leads to nothing anyways, can't blame him/her for trying but more often than not it's pointless.

Also personally, i'd rather play a fighting game, feels far more rewarding than almost any team based games.
 
Yikes.

Yeah, that's a healthy point of view alright.

I'm not saying everyone has to like using a mic, but the "Fuck you I'm glad I'm pissing off people who want me on mic when I don't use it" point of view is so aggressively childish.

It's a response to the people in this thread that are accusing me of literally ruining games, when I've simply learned from a decade of experience to avoid open chat.

Just like in the previous thread, that accusation upset me, so I reacted to it. People who aren't willing to put up with the toxic reality of open chat are not the problem. Find another target for your ire.

In my defense, I also didn't drop the f-bomb.
 
A lot of people who play games are selfish pussies who for some reason choose to ruin other people's competitive games instead of playing casual where they belong if they don't want to use a mic or take part in the team aspect of a team-based game.

They want the competition of ranked games without putting in the unwritten requirements of entry, that is having enough respect for the other people on your team to communicate with them and try to win. It's a very selfish mentality, but nothing you can do about it unfortunately.

Some people here are saying they don't use mics because other people are assholes, which I don't quite understand. You can mute them and still use your mic, doesn't really make sense but they need any excuse to justify their lazy cunty decisions.



Stay out of competitive anything if you have thin skin. You can be sensitive just don't bring down people who are trying to win.

This is not a helpful attitude. I take it you've never been truly harassed in a game or maybe you have even actively participated in berating players. That's the vibe I get from you.
 
Again, there are entirely legitimate reasons why people won't or can't use mic chat, such as their living situation not permitting it. If people want to play competitive despite that, I nor anyone else have any right to tell them otherwise, anyone who thinks otherwise is being a judgemental asshole.

You're rarely going to get an ideal competitive team with randoms, anyway, just play with a full damn party with the best players you know if you really want to really be fully prepared for competitive play.
 
OP is right.

The BS excuses like "Foul mouthed kids" is the minority, I play Overwatch and use a mic, most people are mutes, but of those who do have a mic I'd say 10% only are toxic, and it takes literally like 5 seconds to mute them and end the problem.
 
It sounds like a good idea, but in reality, just about everything that divides player bases seems to harm the games that implement them. It's the same reason a lot of devs are moving away from map packs because they were losing a big chunk of players at each turn.

Well, we're out of options. No mic-ers don't want to hear or talk to other players? Throw them in with each other to enjoy the wonderful sounds of silence together. I'm sorry they're offended by certain toxic players, but I don't want them in rooms I play in and it's pretty clear that most other people in this thread and in the wild who do communicate and want to play well as a team do not want them either.

I'd go one step further - institute bans for people in Mic Rooms for people who don't use them or who use them for vitriol or other bullshit - make it player votable and reportable. Get a bad enough rating and you get to play in silence by force with the people who do it by choice.
 
Again, there are entirely legitimate reasons why people won't or can't use mic chat, such as their living situation not permitting it. If people want to play competitive despite that, I nor anyone else have any right to tell them otherwise, anyone who thinks otherwise is being a judgemental asshole.

You're rarely going to get an ideal competitive team with randoms, anyway, just play with a full damn party with the best players you know if you really want to really be fully prepared for competitive play.

That's not true about not getting an ideal team with randoms. Especially when you get into the higher ranks in competitive Overwatch. Also, it's better to queue with a party of 2-3 because if you have big groups you'll get matched against big groups, and it's more difficult.

Sure, there are situations where people can't talk, but I don't think you're a judgmental asshole if you think otherwise. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to talk in a competitive team mode. If they can't properly communicate, there's always all the other non-competitive modes.
 
OP is right.

The BS excuses like "Foul mouthed kids" is the minority, I play Overwatch and use a mic, most people are mutes, but of those who do have a mic I'd say 10% only are toxic, and it takes literally like 5 seconds to mute them and end the problem.

Yep, this is what I always say. I think the excuses about people being toxic or annoying are weak. That'd be like saying you will never play a game again because a teammate threw the game once. Kneejerk over-reacting. Mute and move on.
 
I can tell you exactly why I won't use coms in public Multiplayer games.

It's because of toxic, scathing individuals (mostly teens) who hide behind their anonymity talking shit to you all day while they wouldn't even dare to say a beep to you in real life.
Sadly this is the norm in most games nowdays.

I simply have no capacity to deal with this bullshit anymore, that's why I deactivate public coms whenever it's possible.
I absolutly enjoy playing with coms whenever I play with friends or people I know that are decent.

So if this diminishes your experience OP.. well too bad

Nailed it....
 
More like people with mics have made gaming communication so toxic that they've forced others to plug out.

I play Overwatch comp with a mic mostly, but I don't blame people that don't. I made it Masters and I don't think I've ever had a full team with a mic.
 
OP is right.

The BS excuses like "Foul mouthed kids" is the minority, I play Overwatch and use a mic, most people are mutes, but of those who do have a mic I'd say 10% only are toxic, and it takes literally like 5 seconds to mute them and end the problem.
It doesn't matter why people don't like using mics or talking to strangers.
 
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