Yeah. Earlier I said that if it went down like they say it went down, he had to be on some shit.
He was clearly on some shit. That video is bizarre as fuck. Bath salts?
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Police officer kills unarmed teen that crashed into car dealership - Arlington, TX
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Yeah. Earlier I said that if it went down like they say it went down, he had to be on some shit.
He was clearly on some shit. That video is bizarre as fuck. Bath salts?
Hard to say. Could be suicide by cop. Seemed like he was almost waiting for them to show up.
Squirrel Killer
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He absolutely should not have had to die for what he did in the video. The unfortunate thing is is that what he did on the video is out-of-the-ordinary enough that it will make whatever wild cockamamie story the cops cook up seem at least plausible. Especially to those who knee-jerked support of the cops before this video even surfaced.
Nappuccino
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Scrubbing through the video, I can see why the police were on edge if they knew about any of his actions prior to initiating contact. If the kid was on drugs or fighting, I'm not surprised that the police acted aggressively.
Do I think he should have been killed? No . . . but whether or not that outcome was realistic is hard to tell without actual video. While cops should be trained to de-escalate situations, sometimes they have to make snap-judgements. I believe those are the hardest decisions they have to make and to make correctly . . . but I know I fuck up snap decisions all the time (some would argue that is why I'm not a police officer).
I don't know. This situation was clearly non-standard. It's sad that this kid lost his life but with everything these cops knew going into the situation, that may have been the most likely at the hands of any cop.
I'm honestly not sure what that means--if this is another signal that police training needs a massive overhaul or that the cop acted justly in the moment. If video ever comes out or a non-corrupt investigation happens, we might find out.
Do I think he should have been killed? No . . . but whether or not that outcome was realistic is hard to tell without actual video. While cops should be trained to de-escalate situations, sometimes they have to make snap-judgements. I believe those are the hardest decisions they have to make and to make correctly . . . but I know I fuck up snap decisions all the time (some would argue that is why I'm not a police officer).
I don't know. This situation was clearly non-standard. It's sad that this kid lost his life but with everything these cops knew going into the situation, that may have been the most likely at the hands of any cop.
I'm honestly not sure what that means--if this is another signal that police training needs a massive overhaul or that the cop acted justly in the moment. If video ever comes out or a non-corrupt investigation happens, we might find out.
You can listen to the audio to know what they knew if this is true audio. Although a lot of what he describes is inaccurate but he's reporting the hearsay stuff second hand.
The audio though is HIGHLY accurate with what we see happening in the video now so it seems to be the true audio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeP-x-InzE4&feature=youtu.be
Phat Michael
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It's true, Ram Raid's happen quite often in australia. It's dangerous and very stupid.
Usually:
- steal car
- Smash into front window
- Grab shit
- ??????
- Profit
there isnt much thought put into it, but the neighbourhood i grew up in, this was a common occurrence.
This guy isn't biased at all. He states wrong info so many times throughout this video it's pathetic. I stopped listening when he stated that the cops open fire into his jeep causing it to plow through the dealership.
I don't understand the continued outrage over incidents like this. As long as there is a remote possibility that a criminal is carrying a gun, police officers will always err on the side of caution and fire first. It's the only logical conclusion from their perspective if they wish to stay unharmed.
Yeah, his statements are wrong but we do have the police audio and that's what I was pointing out. Listening to his statements after the video came out it's pretty laughable HOWEVER that may not be his bias but just a disjointed account of really insane events that sound like bullshit.
I mean listening to the audio it legit sounds fishy. Assuming there is no creative audio manipulation they shot him VERY fast though.
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They already have your dna. Once their DNA targeting system is invented, you'll be on the list. Death via satellite guns.
Foutrologue
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Kid was on some of that GoogGood..rubbing his butt against car windshields and shit..wtf?
You honestly don't understand the continued outrage?
DrForester
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I have no problem with officers defending themselves, but there are ways to defend without killing. Especially when there are multiple officers on the scene, and a suspect who is unarmed.
And if an officer THINKS someone has a gun, shoots them, and is wrong, then they should be charged. Their incompetence is not an excuse. Officers should not be allowed to just say "I feared for my life" as an end-all excuse.
Suspect has a gun and is killed? Sure, I can understand that. I won't celebrate their death, but I can understand the officer's position. Heck, I even give a benefit of the doubt to the cop in the Michael Brown incident, since forensics backed up his side of the story. Still tragic Brown died, but I think that's a good example of people jumping to conclusions. But even excluding that there are far too many cases these days where it's obvious the police over reacted, or just outright acted unprofessionally (like in the Sandra Bland case) and seeing these cases just in the last year or two give me no doubt that there have been many, many more in previous years that we never heard about.
And yes, there are other cases where the officer turns out to have acted appropriately. I remember there was a shooting near Feguson a few weeks after Michael Brown. Social media was alight with "Cops shoot unarmed kid". Video from the gas station showed the suspect pulled a gun on the cop and the cop survived because it jammed. He shot him. Didn't stop the social media frenzy. I think someone even threw a bunch of fireworks at the cops while they were standing next to a gas pump (or was that another incident).
But I think we're well past the point now where the officers word is not the final say.
Which incidents specifically? Because I think if you look more critically at the incidents you are alluding to you'll see the suspects weren't a threat or weren't even given a chance to surrender peacefully but also didn't make a threatening move.
Ok, to rephrase that, I don't understand why there is so much outrage when there is obviously no political will to change things, ie. take away the guns for good. As long as guns can be legally purchased and owned in the US, such incidents will invariably continue to happen.
The point being that it is very hard to verify whether someone is unarmed or not when you need that information the most. Given how easy it is to obtain firearms in the US, can you really blame a police officer for firing before a desperate criminal reaches for his own weapon?
I try my best to stay away from these threads because "wait for a bit information before making a judgement" doesn't always go so well but:
Is a bad idea. Even a well trained officer has the possibility of shooting a suspect if they threaten to take someone's life, use make-shift weaponry, are in possession of a non-lethal prop gun etc.
I'd suggest taking a breather and seeing what we get next, now that we know that video footage does in fact exist, and that some eye-witnesses have reported false information (judging by the reports.)
Obv. the kid shouldn't have been shot in a normal situation though and it could've been done better, I'm sure nobody here is advocating that the kid's death.
Is a bad idea. Even a well trained officer has the possibility of shooting a suspect if they threaten to take someone's life, use make-shift weaponry, are in possession of a non-lethal prop gun etc.
I'd suggest taking a breather and seeing what we get next, now that we know that video footage does in fact exist, and that some eye-witnesses have reported false information (judging by the reports.)
Obv. the kid shouldn't have been shot in a normal situation though and it could've been done better, I'm sure nobody here is advocating that the kid's death.
DrForester
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Here's the thing in this case though. We know he was unarmed, and we know there were at least two officers present. I can't think of many instances where that should result in guns being used.
There are of course extreme exceptions, but many of the cases we hear about don't really fall under that.
Black-Wind
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1- That boy is clearly high AF or had some kinda schizophrenia level shit going on. 
2- I really wish someone would tell me how to unlock this "negro power" us chocolate folk apparently have that makes us oh-so-dangerous. So much so that 2 grown, trained, law enforcement men with tazers and shit can't take down some unarmed person without trying to kill them. So much so that us running away, unarmed, can also make them shoot us down from behind. (as seen in another teen aged boy's death vid)
2- I really wish someone would tell me how to unlock this "negro power" us chocolate folk apparently have that makes us oh-so-dangerous. So much so that 2 grown, trained, law enforcement men with tazers and shit can't take down some unarmed person without trying to kill them. So much so that us running away, unarmed, can also make them shoot us down from behind. (as seen in another teen aged boy's death vid)
Foutrologue
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Thread died rather quickly after that video showed up...:-/
CyclopsRock
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Pretty sure you already have to pay it back if you get found guilty, so there's no net benefit to your proposal, it just means those that haven't done anything wrong are far more likely to, say, lose their house.
99% of the merch is outside. Inside is just offices. If we assume there's nothing worth stealing inside because cash from service goes to the bank every day, I can see some dealerships not having indoor cameras. But in a major metro area like DFW? Pretty sure everyone has cameras everywhere. Maybe we'll get something later.
WeAreStarStuff
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That video was very bizarre. Hopefully we get video from inside.
Stuggernaut
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That kid should not have DIED for this for sure, at least not based on what we have seen so far. Will need to see inside vid if one exists.
I don't like cops shooting random people, especially unarmed ones, but I don't think people realize how quickly situations escalate into some scary shit. Both sides are assuming the worst.
Cop defenders will say the kid looked messed up, and the cop has to protect himself. And that we can't judge based on what we know so far.
Kid defenders will say that the kid did not deserve what he got, and that cops are too quick to shoot people these days. Sometimes regardless of any video evidence.
The truth is that we will all react how we react. Emotionally at first, and then rationally as more details come to light.
When is a cop justified to shoot to defend his life and his fellow officers? What if the cops were telling the kid to show his hands, and he refused. What if the kid was advancing towards them with his hand under his shirt? What if the taser had no effect because of his clothing, or some other reason? What if the kid was being as aggressive with them as he was with the cars? Is it ok now to shoot someone?
Also a side note.. are cops not able to shoot to stop/injure? Or are they trained to shot to STOP, as in kill, period?
On the flip side, what if this NEW cop has not had anywhere near enough training. What if he is paranoid about "black kids in gangs with guns"? He is not emotionally ready to handle a tense situation. That is not someone who should be out on the streets in an area that is criminally active until he is.
And lets not forget the kid's behavior. WTF was he thinking doing that? I mean the news is filled with stories of cop abuse, shootings, misunderstandings and more. Especially in certain states. Why mess with cops at all?
NONE of this is fact, it is all assumption based on what we see now, and how we feel about either side of this story.
So I land on the side of hope.
I hope the cop did everything in his power to control the situation before resorting to lethal force.
I hope the kid did everything in his power to cooperate with the police once they were there.
I hope the truth comes out in either way and we can put to rest any doubts of what happened.
And finally I very much hope that regardless of how this turns out, someone in power will acknowledge that this type of thing NEEDS to be looked at and people on both sides need to be trained/educated on how to behave in this kind of situation.
RIP kid, you didn't deserve this no matter what happened.
I don't like cops shooting random people, especially unarmed ones, but I don't think people realize how quickly situations escalate into some scary shit. Both sides are assuming the worst.
Cop defenders will say the kid looked messed up, and the cop has to protect himself. And that we can't judge based on what we know so far.
Kid defenders will say that the kid did not deserve what he got, and that cops are too quick to shoot people these days. Sometimes regardless of any video evidence.
The truth is that we will all react how we react. Emotionally at first, and then rationally as more details come to light.
When is a cop justified to shoot to defend his life and his fellow officers? What if the cops were telling the kid to show his hands, and he refused. What if the kid was advancing towards them with his hand under his shirt? What if the taser had no effect because of his clothing, or some other reason? What if the kid was being as aggressive with them as he was with the cars? Is it ok now to shoot someone?
Also a side note.. are cops not able to shoot to stop/injure? Or are they trained to shot to STOP, as in kill, period?
On the flip side, what if this NEW cop has not had anywhere near enough training. What if he is paranoid about "black kids in gangs with guns"? He is not emotionally ready to handle a tense situation. That is not someone who should be out on the streets in an area that is criminally active until he is.
And lets not forget the kid's behavior. WTF was he thinking doing that? I mean the news is filled with stories of cop abuse, shootings, misunderstandings and more. Especially in certain states. Why mess with cops at all?
NONE of this is fact, it is all assumption based on what we see now, and how we feel about either side of this story.
So I land on the side of hope.
I hope the cop did everything in his power to control the situation before resorting to lethal force.
I hope the kid did everything in his power to cooperate with the police once they were there.
I hope the truth comes out in either way and we can put to rest any doubts of what happened.
And finally I very much hope that regardless of how this turns out, someone in power will acknowledge that this type of thing NEEDS to be looked at and people on both sides need to be trained/educated on how to behave in this kind of situation.
RIP kid, you didn't deserve this no matter what happened.
I can't understand what on earth is going on for half of that. He definately deserved to be arrested, not be killed but arrested. Even if it was a one night thing to let him clear his head, because there's something off with how he's acting in that video.
He either had some kind of mental illness and wanted to die or was messed up on some kind of drug, because the person in that video doesn't look to be someone acting rationally at all. It's incredibly sad that the police again decided to shoot first and ask questions later, because now we'll never know what the heck was going on in his head to make him act like that.
The FBI was asked to help assist with the investigation. Apparently during the confrontation, the field training officer fired his taser. The department hasn't released many details at all so there's no info about when the taser was fired in relation to when the gun was fired, or under what conditions.
http://news.yahoo.com/texas-college-football-player-shot-police-unarmed-060958799.html#
http://news.yahoo.com/texas-college-football-player-shot-police-unarmed-060958799.html#
LookAtMeGo
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Classy.
There's a couple of differences in approach.
Typically the UK police will rely on overwhelming numbers. If a two cop patrol responds initially to say someone armed with a knife they'll normally attempt to defuse the situation, keep their and the public's distance until additional officers arrive. If the perp provides a clear and present danger to the public or the officers they'll engage with baton, cs spray and or tasers.
Here's an example of the police here dealing with a mentally ill man with a knife. It's hardly ordered, but the guy is now getting help rather than lying in the ground.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crim...-your-king-at-police-in-hackney-10272958.html
Here's a situation where two officers attempt to subdue someone armed with a knife in a situation they can't wait for backup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cznNf2LUk74
Hah, come now I'm black. I'm from the UK. We don't have guns here. If you're American you shouldn't have guns there. Your population shouldn't have guns, your police shouldn't (outside specialised forces) and the 2nd Amendment is a load of rubbish.
He's a fool for driving into a car dealership at night doing dumbfuck stuff but that's what I'm getting at. Under no circumstance should you be dead for that. I remember reading that Guardian article not too long back showing how many people had been killed by the police this year, how many by shooting and the majority justified/justifiable in the eyes of the law.
I mean, holy shit look at the video just posted. You clearly deserve a better police service.
IamMattFox
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http://www.fox4news.com/story/29763807/arlington-officer-fired-for-shooting-death-of-unarmed-teen-suspect
The chief of police announced during a press conference that the rookie officer has been fired and criminal charges are possible.
The chief of police announced during a press conference that the rookie officer has been fired and criminal charges are possible.
StopMakingSense
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Well that's a turn of events.
Big Baybee
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Woah, unexpected.
Oh snap, there must be video somewhere then. You know his buddy cops didn't say nothing.
edit: nevermind. I actually read the article. That's exactly what happened and they never even came in contact and this dipshit didn't even try to tase him. The other officer shot his taser after dipshit officer started firing bullets.
Has to be it. Also has to be pretty bad.
IamMattFox
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Still no video.
During the press conference the chief said that there was a point where one of the officers was basically staring at Taylor through a locked glass door. The others were supposed to form a perimeter around the building, but the rookie went ahead without his FTO, found the broken window, and entered the building which led to Taylor running deeper into the building and caused the FTO to run in after the rookie.
It sounds like they were going to wait him out outside, but the rookie ran in and made shit hit the fan.
In actual cases of organized theft, the cars are generally stolen property. Never fear though, Florida man always comes to the rescue when foresight is shown and guarantees that some of the vehicles are owned by the perpetrators.
Yikes, clear hd video shot by george miller confirmed.
The training officer going for the tazer is damning for him.
Very likely got hung out to dry here because he's in training and a liability to the training officer's career.
StopMakingSense
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Yeah they aren't going to stick their neck out for some hothead 49 year old officer in training.
LostMyNarbles
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Man, that sounds like a horrible judgement call. I'm guessing the cop had to be racist because the article makes it sound like he broke protocol to rush in their and kill the guy since he never even got in a tangle with him and disregarded his taser when another officer was going to use his own.
Vicetrailia
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Indeed, that and probably eager to get in there, perform and generally prove himself as well.
jordan0386
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Had to be some sort of bias to shoot an unarmed perp tho. In my view.
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