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PoliGAF 2017 |OT1| From Russia with Love

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kirblar

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On here only? Ahh the bubble still persists. Sure Shinra-bansho. Let's disagree on this. The sentiment is there. People are looking at Democrats in Congress to be part of the opposition. Remember the reports on the way they voted on Sanders amendment proposal? The way they went after Booker for cozying up to tillerson, etc, etc. There's a reason why those stories have traction. People are more engaged into politics than before, a lot of things that were ignored won't be getting the same treatment. Look at the OT, you have political threads up the wazzo. This isn't the only place like that, there are reasons for that.

Old days are over.
If people have a problem with the Mattis confirmation, they are stupid ignorant people who deserve to be ignored by their representatives.

The internet has given the idiot know-nothing brigade of the population a voice as well, and it's one that you have to tell to go fuck itself.
 
Article discusses how the Dems should deal with Trump.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/democrats-trump-strategy-234206

This is why I don't understand anger and accusations over cabinet votes. The president gets to pick his cabinet, very few cabinet members are ever worth dying on a hill over. Really the only picks that dems should outright oppose are Sessions and DeVos IMO, given that one is a racist and the other is a direct threat to a big part of the democrat base (teacher unions). In fact IMO Trump has made it easier to oppose Sessions given his recent deranged tweets and racial comments on voting, Chicago, etc.

I think Trump had a big opportunity to simply get into office and start on an agenda that would be pretty popular: tax cuts, alter Obamacare "to work better" (basically quietly gimping it, letting it die, and then saying "see, I told you the law didn't work"), infrastructure, etc. There wouldn't be anything wrong with voting for those items (outside of the Obamacare stuff). Under normal circumstances democrat senators wouldn't get angry calls for...cutting taxes, or voting to build bridges. But now? The beast has been awoken and won't be put to sleep anytime soon. Trump dug himself into a hole and won't stop.

We've never seen a new president act like this. He's destroying himself in order to solely please his base, which isn't large enough to re-elect him.
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
The state department resignations don't give me hope. I think it means that something worse is coming

It also means we are much less likely to get leaks.

To be fair to the people leaving, though, many had resignation papers written up well before this.
 
People are actually discussing this not even a week into Trump's presidency...

Commentary: An obscure way to oust an American president

“I am increasingly convinced he is just plain crazy,” The Washington Post’s Eugene Robinson wrote last August. On Tuesday, The New York Times’ Paul Krugman tweeted that Trump is “obviously mentally ill.” In 2015, several mental health professionals told Vanity Fair they believed the then-businessman was mentally unbalanced. “Textbook narcissistic personality disorder,” said one.

Regardless of whether Trump is suffering from some kind of mental ailment, the Constitution does provide a manual for what to do in case of presidential incapacity in the form of the 25th Amendment. In particular, a provision within Article 4 of the amendment lays out how a president can be forced to surrender his powers should he be ruled unable to fulfill his duties.
Then comes Article 4, which has never been used. It stipulates how a vice president, together with a majority of the cabinet, can inform Congress that the president is “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.” Should that happen, the vice president becomes “acting president.”

Things get tricky, however, when the president disagrees that he’s incapacitated, decides to fight to remain in office, and informs Congress that he’s fit to serve. In that case, assuming they want to pursue the matter, the vice president and the majority of the cabinet have four days to tell Congress that the president is indeed unwell, and can’t function in office.

Should that happen, Congress has 21 days after assembling to decide whether the president is well enough to discharge the duties of his office. A two-thirds majority in both houses is then required to remove the president and make the vice president the acting president.
“How do you demonstrate someone is psychologically unsound?” Robert Gilbert, a professor at Northeastern University and an authority on the 25th Amendment, told CBS News.

This is a question with no clear answer in the Constitution, and could invite a nightmare scenario of dueling teams of psychiatrists testifying before Congress, and in front of the world, about a president’s fitness to serve.
There’s a lesson there for Mike Pence, should he ever take a look at Article 4 and start thinking it might be wise to ascend to the presidency a little early: failing in that effort would end his career, not to mention the careers of the secretaries who sign up to help him. That alone is a powerful incentive to avoid using the law.

So while it’s plausible that this president could be removed from office for reasons of mental illness, it’s still exceptionally unlikely he would. And, in any event, Mr. Trump would have to get a whole lot weirder than he’s been already before anyone could start seriously thinking about Article 4.

“It would have to be very bizarre behavior by the president,” Gilbert says. “More bizarre than what we’ve seen.”
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
A new survey from Penn shows what primary care physicians think of Obamacare:

15% support complete repeal (38% of Trump voters; 0% of Clinton voters)

Agreement that specific ACA provisions are important for U.S. health: 95% for covering preexisting conditions, 91% for tax credits for small businesses, 88% for family coverage through age 26, 73% for Medicaid expansion, 50% for the individual mandate

But, by all means, republicans. Proceed.
 
There's gonna be a crisis in the next four months (based on, you know, history) and Trump and Tillerson are way too lazy to hire replacements in the next four months so this seems bad for the overall world.

Could be helpful for Dems election prospects I guess, but, uhh, that's not worth thousands of dead Venezuelans.
 
PPP pitted Donald Trump ahead to ahead with every President since Nixon on who voters thought would be better, and he lost to all but Nixon:
48-43 voters think Obama will be better President than Trump. 40-35 George W. Bush will be better. 51-41 Bill Clinton will be better

47-32 George H.W. Bush will be better than Trump. 57-17 Reagan will be better. 45-42 Carter will be better. 42-37 Ford will be better

Only Richard Nixon beats our Trump, and even that's just 40-31
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/...rump-will-be-worst-president-since-nixon.html
 
Utah voters don't like Orrin Hatch now because he's been in office way too long.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/4863386-155/utahns-approve-of-sen-hatchs-performance?fullpage=1

Huntsman Jr's numbers are good right now, but they would probably get worse after it's revealed that he's a Trump ballwasher.

Theresa May meeting with Trump makes sense. The delusional leader of a dead empire meets with the delusional leader who will cause the fall of the current empire.

Honestly I'm surprised Trump even had the decency to call her Chelsea.

Fox and Friends called her Chelsea so Trump just parroted back what they said.
 
State Dept news depends entirely on whether they were already going to be replaced or not. I would not be surprised if they were just trying to get ahead of the curve and upstage Trump.

In terms of operational effectiveness, it's going to do some serious damage but let's be real, the State Department (and many other departments) were going to be effectively destroyed no matter what.

So it's not so much 'new' scary as it is just confirming the 'old' scary.
 

Afrodium

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This guy on the GOP retreat stream is saying that there's a lot of similar signs at the protests and that's a signal that they're paid off. Dude, they're just not creative and turned to Google for sign ideas.
 
omg

https://twitter.com/azalben/status/824664543091707905

@azalben
Are you actually fucking kidding me

(and yes this is real, @POTUS is tied to a Gmail account)

C3HL4afXgAApBCS.jpg
 

A Human Becoming

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CNN posted a story about it a few days ago when the hacker who did all the ISIS accounts on Twitter told them to fix their shit. As of this morning people were able to see Spicer and Trumps were still on gmail accounts, probably from the transition.
@POTUS is tied to two whitehouse emails now.
 

thefro

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This doesn't surprise me at all, given what I know about setting up stuff on phones for executives.

Q poll has Trump's approval rating at 36%. Bad!

But dumb things from the poll.

1. 65% of Americans view Trump as intelligent.

2. People seem to view JFK as a better president than LBJ.

>_>

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2420

People blame LBJ for Vietnam.
 
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