Sweet jesus I hope thats true.syllogism said:
tanod said:I like how the MSM blew up the Newsweek poll that had Obama up 19 all weekend and waited until Monday to talk about how the streams crossed in the Gallup poll.
NYTimes said:Trailing in Pennsylvania, Obama Sharpens Tone
READING, Pa. Senator Barack Obama sharpened his tone against Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Sunday as the six-week Pennsylvania primary contest raced to a close, with the rivals marshaling extensive resources in a battle for undecided voters and delegates that could determine whether the Democratic nominating fight carries on.
In television commercials and in appearances before crowded rallies, Mr. Obama, of Illinois, cast his opponent in one of the most negative lights of the entire 16-month campaign, calling her a compromised Washington insider. Mrs. Clinton, of New York, responded by suggesting that Mr. Obamas message of hope had given way to old-style politics and asked Democrats to take a harder look at him.
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Mr. Obama, seeking to lock up the nomination, was outspending Mrs. Clinton two-to-one on television advertising in the state, with a barrage of commercials assailing her health care plan and suggesting that she was captive to special interests. Mrs. Clinton fired back on Sunday, criticizing his health care plan and saying he was going negative to mask his poor performance in last weeks debate.
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At a campaign stop in Bethlehem on Sunday, Mrs. Clinton reminded voters about last weeks Democratic debate, in which Mr. Obama was repeatedly on the defensive about recent gaffes and incendiary remarks made by his former pastor. Its no wonder my opponent has been so negative these last few days of this campaign, she said, because I think you saw the difference between us.
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The intensity of Mr. Obamas campaign and his willingness to air negative attacks in recent days suggest he harbored hope of ending the Clinton campaign here or avoiding a major loss that would keep the race alive.
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In a new advertisement Sunday, Mr. Obama accused the Clinton campaign of employing 11th hour smears [ed's note: lol hypocrisy] [...]
In the final days of the campaign, Mrs. Clinton concentrated on the states working-class industrial regions, where she hoped to drive up her support among older, blue-collar voters who are concerned broadly about their economic condition and national security. These voters have proved the most elusive for Mr. Obama, which has led some to question whether he can win their support against Senator John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee.
Her chief message captured by an appearance in front of a fire house in suburban West Chester, where she gave a grim assessment of the dangers facing the country was that she is tough enough to be commander in chief and to take on Mr. McCain, and that Mr. Obama is not.
She has also spent considerable time in the populous Philadelphia suburbs, trying to break through to upscale women, whose gender might lead them to support her but whose class, as measured by income and education, might tilt them toward Mr. Obama. About 40 percent of the states Democratic voters live within the Philadelphia media market.
Mrs. Clinton has employed more of an endorsement strategy and boasts the backing of 100 mayors in the state, including those in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. Bill Clinton and their daughter, Chelsea, are each holding four or five events a day. And a Women for Hillary operation is rotating around the suburbs.
Neil Oxman, a media consultant here, estimated that by the end of the six-week campaign, Mr. Obama will have spent more than $9 million on television and Mrs. Clinton will have spent almost $4 million.
Counting what they are spending on direct mail and other get-out-the-vote efforts, he estimates they will have spent $20 million by Tuesday, making this by far the most expensive presidential primary in state history.
tanod said:wat?
soul creator said:read the rest of the sentence
APF said:Now, with Obama being endorsed by Hamas, are you folks really trying to taint HRC with this Richard Mellon-Scaife endorsement? Isn't Obama supposedly the candidate who will sit down with his enemies--including Republicans--and isn't being loved by (R)s one of his selling points going into the GE ("Obama Republicans")? Yet for some base hypocritical reason you're going down this desperate route of attack?
APF said:Now, with Obama being endorsed by Hamas, are you folks really trying to taint HRC with this Richard Mellon-Scaife endorsement? Isn't Obama supposedly the candidate who will sit down with his enemies--including Republicans--and isn't being loved by (R)s one of his selling points going into the GE ("Obama Republicans")? Yet for some base hypocritical reason you're going down this desperate route of attack?
http://www.republicansforobama.org/
And with Barack's history, are people really trying to make political hay of what HRC may have done in years ago, trying to say that once you do something as a youth, that action defines you for the rest of your life? Really? These lines of attack are legitimate now?
Hamas isn't a state. They're a militant political party in charge of a state.XxenobladerxX said:Hamas is a terrorist state.Stop reaching please.
Whatever. Bottom line is that hamas hasn't denounced terrorism.tanod said:Hamas isn't a state. They're a militant political party in charge of a state.
Hamas endorsed Hillary too!APF said:Now, with Obama being endorsed by Hamas, are you folks really trying to taint HRC with this Richard Mellon-Scaife endorsement? Isn't Obama supposedly the candidate who will sit down with his enemies--including Republicans--and isn't being loved by (R)s one of his selling points going into the GE ("Obama Republicans")? Yet for some base hypocritical reason you're going down this desperate route of attack?
http://www.republicansforobama.org/
And with Barack's history, are people really trying to make political hay of what HRC may have done in years ago, trying to say that once you do something as a youth, that action defines you for the rest of your life? Really? These lines of attack are legitimate now?
tanod said:I did. Here's the thing:
He's never been the favorite to win and he's never been ahead by any reasonable measure in PA. He may have been trending upward since he started campaigning there but that analysis seems kind of ridiculous.
to secure the Democratic presidential nomination
gkrykewy said:You are the king of strawmen. Why exactly I don't have you on ignore yet, I'm not sure.
let's keep our troops around by offering them little alternative! yeah!Disappointingly, Sen. John McCain, presumptive Republican candidate for president, so far declines to back the measure. He seems to be responding to concerns of the military brass that enhanced educational opportunities could negatively affect retention rates.
Why shouldn't your "side"'s hypocritical garbage not be challenged?xabre said:I have him on ignore but sadly it doesn't filter out the quotes
APF said:Start here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10833479&postcount=105
End here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10835586&postcount=130
Edit: we really need to get to the bottom of which candidate Hamas endorses for real, so we can baselessly smear that candidate with the association.
feel free to challenge, but comparing the 'endorsement' of a foreign entity like Hamas to Richard Mellon-Scaife is just as disingenuous as the shit pro-Obama fanatics in this thread sprout.APF said:Why shouldn't your "side"'s hypocritical garbage not be challenged?
The Lamonster said:Lefty420 is the good peoples' Champion of Justice and our best combatant against the evil APF and his demented minions. Keep fighting the good fight!
aka let the crazies duke it out and the rest of us can talk about news and not this nonstop bullshit bickering.
APF said:Sometimes truth wakes-up early, my friend.
Especially when truth isn't up at 1am reading this forum, but saw those ridiculous attacks when truth sat down with his morning cup of coffee.
because i can't possibly see how you're being serious with such a comparisonAPF said:scorcho: I don't see how you can say it's disingenuous?
I refuse to let myself buy into this.Deus Ex Machina said:Michael Smerconish predicts an Obama win by 2/3 just now on MSNBC. Breaking...no link yet.
Pat Buchanan and Joe didn't like that one.
I think Obama will pull this off but it will be a squeaker.
I'm saying neither endorsement is a valid reason to attack the candidate--especially if used to imply that candidate is somehow a "traitor" or sleeping with the enemies. If I used local asshats like Farrakhan, would that have been less "disingenuous?" Locality has little to do with understanding the meaning of my point.scorcho said:because i can't possibly see how you're being serious with such a comparison
APF said:I'm saying neither endorsement is a valid reason to attack the candidate. If I used local asshats like Farrakhan, would that have been less "disingenuous?" Locality has little to do with understanding the meaning of my point.
It sounds like they're changing the narrative so that tomorrow they can talk about the "big comeback" by HRC.Deus Ex Machina said:Michael Smerconish predicts an Obama win by 2/3 just now on MSNBC. Breaking...no link yet.
Pat Buchanan and Joe didn't like that one.
I think Obama will pull this off but it will be a squeaker.
APF said:Lefty42o: contribute or STFU.
I love Chuck Todd because he tends to bring things back to reality. I saw him on NBC today basically saying "Obama could win, but he most likely won't." This killed some of my hope but I am now less set up for disappointment tomorrow night.siamesedreamer said:Remember the Chuck Todd +4 in any poll for Clinton.
RubxQub said:I refuse to let myself buy into this.
I just don't see anyway that he could pull off a win in PA. If he does, it will surely be the nail in the coffin for Hillary.
The Lamonster said:I love Chuck Todd because he tends to bring things back to reality. I saw him on NBC today basically saying "Obama could win, but he most likely won't." This killed some of my hope but I am now less set up for disappointment tomorrow night.
oh and thank you mods for great justice!
KRS7 said:Same here. There is no real way I can see Obama winning. He has had a terrible month. While he has handled it as best he can, he also has a 20pt deficit to make up. In addition, most of the democratic establishment in Pennsylvania are fervent Hillary supporters, and will use there ground machines to help her win. After all this, I will be ecstatic if he comes in less than 10 points behind.
syllogism said:APF was completely right about Mellon-Scaife, though the rather tenuous Hamas endorsement was a weak comparison.
I think the main difference isn't going to be us melting down over the loss, it'll be us melting down over the media's portrayal of this monumental victory from Hillary.Lefty42o said:man this thread is going to suck later. :lol
I REFUSE TO HOPE!thefro said:Public Policy Polling still sticking with the Obama
Obama 49
Clinton 46
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_042108.pdf
Oh yeah, and they interviewed 2338 likely voters, so MOE is only +/- 2%
RubxQub said:I think the main difference isn't going to be us melting down over the loss, it'll be us melting down over the media's portrayal of this monumental victory from Hillary.
thefro said:Public Policy Polling still sticking with the Obama
Obama 49
Clinton 46
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_042108.pdf
Oh yeah, and they interviewed 2338 likely voters, so MOE is only +/- 2%