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Triumph said:
woot. woot.
Should be interesting.
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woot. woot.
Should be interesting.
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wow it wasn't that bad, manCheebs said:
No, I agree. To steal a line from Rev. Wright, tho, that doesn't make them deficient; just different. Also, I made a post about this earlier in the thread but there are lots of older women out there like my mother who suffered actual discrimination in a different time in this country and whose feelings about the first women with an actual chance to win the Presidency are not going to be rational. I doubt mine would be if I had gone through the same things.Cheebs said:I am not saying this as a joke or in some sexist manner in an attempt to cause controvery but its simply the fact she is the women's candidate. Women tend to be more emotional about things than men generally. It makes sense they are taking this so hard and in such a illogical and irrational manner compared to when other candidates lose, from the perspective that her base is women which is abnormal for a candidate since politics tends to be seen as a "mens sport" and thus we are seeing a woman like reaction from her loss.
Oh god, hopefully this wont be taken the wrong way.
Well the claims I was basically about to be banned didnt really leave me in a good place.The Lamonster said:
Yes, its different. It's not a BAD thing per sa. It goes along with this obsession I see on mydd and hillaryis44 to find sexism anywhere possible. It's a different mindset. Not a worse mindset, but something we never had to deal with in a losing campaign before.Triumph said:
I watched an old episode of crossfire online today. First time I seen it other than that infamous Stewart episode. Jesus Christ was it horrible. It took that "every story has two equally right sides to it and they both happen to be from the two political parties!" nonsense to the 1000x level of insanity. Things are still bad in that area, but crossfire blew them all away.
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Deus Ex Machina
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Clinton today told her "independent" bloggers to write about "how caucuses are unfair"
On a conference call with the campaign today, which Hillary Clinton was on, bloggers who support her were given instructions what to write about in order to coordinate with the campaign's line of attack. It is supposed to look like the bloggers came up with the idea themselves, however, not that the campaign told them what to write about.
Here is the report of the call from one of the bloggers on the call:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/16/214911/396
On a conference call with the campaign today, which Hillary Clinton was on, bloggers who support her were given instructions what to write about in order to coordinate with the campaign's line of attack. It is supposed to look like the bloggers came up with the idea themselves, however, not that the campaign told them what to write about.
Here is the report of the call from one of the bloggers on the call:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/16/214911/396
It's funny, I actually AGREE that caucuses suck for representing people. But the thing is, going into the primary season YOU KNEW ALL THESE FUCKING STATES WERE GOING TO HAVE CAUCUSES. It's her own damn fault for not planning on how to compete in those contests. If they want to talk about how to fix it going forward, cool and more power to them. Sounds like they want to bitch and whine about spilled milk, tho.Deus Ex Machina said:
I'm just saying, Finland is the country where I'd quite like to be.avatar299 said:
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Triumph said:
http://www.taylormarsh.com/audio.ph....com/podcast/mp3/stream.2008-05-16.134204.mp3
Here is the audio of Hillary's conf. call today giving talking points to bloggers
So after Michigan and Florida are seated at the convention, I guess the only argument left to her campaign is that caucuses are unfair. Hope she gets slammed on this because that line of thinking undermines the entire process. Even if they were unfair what does she want done? Have new primaries in all these states? Fat Chance. Ignore their delegations? Not going to happen. All she is doing is watering the seeds of resentment that will undermine the near term goal of party unification. It is clear that Obama will be the nominee. By giving her supporters some reason not to support him, and by telling them that the DNC and the media are stealing this election, she is harming the democrats chances in November.
This race was close, I will give her credit for not giving up. But there can only be one winner in such a contest, and she missed the mark. She never once held the lead in elected delegates. She needed huge wins on after her disastrous February. Her 10% wins just didn't cut it. West Virginia was too small and too late.
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Caucuses are tilted against service-sector workers, the elderly, the disabled, and parents (mostly mothers). It does reward enthusiasm but it also rewards certain lifestyles.
I lump this in with her bit about elites not having the population's interest at heart. It's a true argument and one generally made by people on the left, but she's only rolling it out because it's temporarily convenient to do so.
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NC Sen. Elizabeth Dole "re-assigns" (read: fires) her campaign manager.
Guess Libby is shittin' bricks that she's polling under 50 and actually BEHIND Hagan in some polls... and it's only May. Sucks to be you, have fun back in Kansas where you belong ya harpy!
Guess Libby is shittin' bricks that she's polling under 50 and actually BEHIND Hagan in some polls... and it's only May. Sucks to be you, have fun back in Kansas where you belong ya harpy!
Come on, we all know Hillary would have lost in Iowa, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Minnesota, North Dakota, Nebraska, Washington, Washington DC, and Hawaii.Mandark said:
The only two states where caucuses probably really hurt her were Maine and Nevada.
Hell, the fact there were caucuses should be a good thing for her, in a lot of these states, especially Colorado, Washington, and Minnesota. See Wisconsin for how things would have gone for her if those states did primaries.
You're looking at a 500k-600k popular vote victory for Obama in those three states, at least.
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Thanks for the recs.
Deus Ex Machina
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"Because he is black"
Anyone watch Bill Moyers Journal tonight?
View video ONLINE:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/05162008/watch.html
Anyone watch Bill Moyers Journal tonight?
View video ONLINE:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/05162008/watch.html
adamsappel
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I can't believe McCain (or anybody) thinks that baldly stating that you wouldn't be ending the war until your second term is a good idea. If that held true, it would surpass the Iran-Iraq war as the longest declared war of the 20th-21st century. Ten years in a war with a country we defeated in two months. How many trillions of dollars will it end up costing us?
I can't either, but he's doing it. Hopefully swing voters won't buy it.adamsappel said:
I mean, it's one hell of a promise to make. If he's the next President, and he can't get troops out by the end of 2013 based on whatever expectations he feels must be met to declare "victory" (something he just PROMISED), he screws himself big.
PhoenixDark
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Cheebs said:*yeah I am editing this out I think lol*
Oh god, hopefully this wont be taken the wrong way.
I see nothing wrong with it. You could have said that in a much worse tone, in which case I could see a ban happen. But you prefaced it well imo. And you're right. When Hillary was the inevitable candidate I think many women got their hopes up and expected history to happen. Now that history is not going to happen (at least not in their favor lol) and they're shocked. I'm sure there are plenty of older women who saw this as the last chance to possibly see a woman become president. Obama represents everything that's wrong with our society to them: an under qualified (from their perspective) young male who did less work but is rewarded ahead of the woman. These chicks lose their husbands to younger women, they lose job opportunity to younger men, now their chance at the white house is taken by an uppity young black man. Their thoughts, not mine
Inflammable Slinky
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Um, guys, don't you think its hypocritical to be calling out Clinton supporters for threatening to support McCain when there were a shitload of people IN THIS VERY THREAD who threatened to do the same if Obama lost.
Don't go on all that anti-feminist bullshit (I'm starting to think that the term feminism has become more maligned than socialism in America) and start saying "oh they're just irrational women getting too emotional". There would be a shitload of black voters (and far leftists) who would feel the exact same way.
Don't go on all that anti-feminist bullshit (I'm starting to think that the term feminism has become more maligned than socialism in America) and start saying "oh they're just irrational women getting too emotional". There would be a shitload of black voters (and far leftists) who would feel the exact same way.
JoshuaJSlone
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Heh. At least that's better than theDan said:
Obama = Popular with everyone
Antichrist = Popular with everyone
Therefore, Obama = Antichrist
thing I saw after his speech in 2004.
Actually I think most of the upset GAFers were just saying they wouldn't vote. Which is also sad, but at least is not actively pursuing a president whose goals are the opposite of yours--which would be the case for any feminist who voted for John McCain.Inflammable Slinky said:
Thunder Monkey
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Hell, it'd be worse.Sharp said:
At least with Obama they get called sweeties instead of cunt and lose all rights to their vags.
Thunder Monkey
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My family and friends actually intend to do that if he somehow loses the nomination.GaimeGuy said:
It's not like it would matter... we live in Kansas.
Thunder Monkey
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Perfect retort!Sharp said:
No sadly, those that vote Republican in Kansas make up exactly 65% of the electorate. Democrats have decreased that lead from the 72% it was in 2000, but that still gives any Repub an advantage.
Give it another 10-15 years and you might be seeing Kansas go (D).
Thunder Monkey
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As dumb as some are around here, no.icarus-daedelus said:
The place evolution passed is definitely somewhere in the hilly regions. Mountaintop cousin fuckin'!
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