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PS3 Software Engineers speaking about how they got to 1.80 and whats beyond
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Zombie James
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Dragona Akehi said:
Change the container? If the video and audio are playable on the PS3 then just remux them into an MP4 with MP4Box or something.
Pristine_Condition
Member
Wow. Los of good info in that post. Thanks.
disappeared
Banned
Some really good info there!
It's good to see they're paying attention to what the userbase is saying.
Cheesemeister
Member
Kinan said:Confirmed by Cheesemeister.
I'm shipping my PS3 to a friend in Gifu-ken, Japan on Saturday, who's agreed to relay it to SCEJ in Chiba-ken and back to me. I'll be paying $37 to ship it there and $95 back, a total of $132. This will bring the total cost of my 20GB PS3 to $562. It's still cheaper than the $150 SCEA was going to charge for an out-of-warranty repair...
T_T
Cheesemeister
Member
kpop100 said:
It is in SCEA's eyes. They wouldn't touch my out-of-region Japanese system. It's still under warranty with SCEJ.
i think it is pretty cool that these guys are trying to get the best result possible - like upscaling, which was late because they wanted to do it really good and they did... and now they can improve it 30-40%.... that will make it the best upscaling player, ever.
Same as with the story at launch, on how the main software engineer for BR playback re-wrote the engine 2 times to get the best performance (and it took him 2 years), and how they continually add support for more stuff (BTB, WTW).
It just seems that they didnt set some ordinary limits on what they have to do and move on - they are free to do best they can.
As I wrote several times before, even though PS3 is an game console, it is so powerful, that if they wanted, they could make it bestest everything they can imagine, simply because power is there - and these guys confirm it saying how it does things better than 10x more expensive receivers simply because there is so much power behind it.
Same as with the story at launch, on how the main software engineer for BR playback re-wrote the engine 2 times to get the best performance (and it took him 2 years), and how they continually add support for more stuff (BTB, WTW).
It just seems that they didnt set some ordinary limits on what they have to do and move on - they are free to do best they can.
As I wrote several times before, even though PS3 is an game console, it is so powerful, that if they wanted, they could make it bestest everything they can imagine, simply because power is there - and these guys confirm it saying how it does things better than 10x more expensive receivers simply because there is so much power behind it.
Dragona Akehi
Retired
_leech_ said:
That's a step I shouldn't have to do.
Dragona Akehi
Retired
UltraMagnanimous said:When people say AVI do they really mean Xvid & DivX support?
Are there any groups who release in formats readable by 360/PS3 - theres bound to be demand for it by now?*
*Ignore this question if it's against the rules to talk about such things.
DIVX codec works, it's what I encode my shit in. It just doesn't read it as a ****ing .AVI, but reads MP4s juuuust fine.
is anyone else noticing that the ps3's bd downscaling to 720p kind of...sucks? i saw some vague moire effects and jaggies in areas of high detail, and decided to take a look at the test screens included in sony bds -- there's a detail test with lots of very fine lines, and when my ps3 is downscaling to 720p, i get a ton of flickering. which i don't get when i let my tv deinterlace from 1080i, though my tv is one of the relative few that handles 1080i film sources properly. if there is an issue here and it's not some quirk in my setup, i hope they'll address it soon.
The Faceless Master
Member
and you can continue to do that, and nothing changes, but the people who DO want it are screwed.Greg said:
look at that test screen if you've got any sony bds -- hit '7669' and then 'enter' on the main menu. i found at least one person on avs who's seeing the same thing as me, and my 1366x768 bravia doesn't generally have issues with 720p sources. i want to do some more testing, but it looks like 1080i produces better results for me.
TheRipDizz
Banned
Question:
Linking to games, the 360 has a feature to allow music in the HDD and network to be played back as game BGM.
Kanehide:
PS3 already has such function in the system software. It is up to the game developers to use the function. Same goes for pictures and videos
That's not very accurate. The PS3 has a background music function burried in its API there for developers to use if they want to activate it. This makes it like the original Xbox in that regard and is the reason the feature only showed up in racing games mostly. The 360, on the otherhand, has it's background muisc function hardwired into its UI, enabling music replacement in any game you purchase. Two very different things.
Someone needs to whip these lazy asses into shape for not including that functionality from day one. Kaz, get the whip.
Linking to games, the 360 has a feature to allow music in the HDD and network to be played back as game BGM.
Kanehide:
PS3 already has such function in the system software. It is up to the game developers to use the function. Same goes for pictures and videos
That's not very accurate. The PS3 has a background music function burried in its API there for developers to use if they want to activate it. This makes it like the original Xbox in that regard and is the reason the feature only showed up in racing games mostly. The 360, on the otherhand, has it's background muisc function hardwired into its UI, enabling music replacement in any game you purchase. Two very different things.
Someone needs to whip these lazy asses into shape for not including that functionality from day one. Kaz, get the whip.
Zombie James
Banned
Dragona Akehi said:That's a step I shouldn't have to do.
I guess, but at least you don't have to spend 6 hours re-encoding everything.
tekumseh
a mass of phermones, hormones and adrenaline just waiting to explode
I wish they would quit dicking around and figure out a way to upconvert 720p games to 1080i, rather than down converting them to 480p, for those of us who bought our HD sets in the prehistoric technology days of the early 2000's. JEEZUS, they can work to cure cancer, but can't update my friggin' game output to 1080i? JEEZUS!!!
spwolf said:
To be honest, it sounds like they practically have a dream job.
They are working with HW that is far less limiting than most ... and they appear to have the freedom to do whatever they want. Obviously, Sony is setting priorities for certain needed features ... but it sounds like they can attach practically anything to these updates as a side project.
TheRipDizz
Banned
Firewire said:
tekumseh said:
That is part of the current SDK, but devs need to actively use it. Unless games that currently don't support it can be patched, I don't know that this can be fixed (at this point, the HW scaler is not fully 'functional').
These guys are working on the UI. You need HW scaling for PS3 games ... they can't just offer some sort of SW one. There aren't enough available resources for that.
Zombie James
Banned
tekumseh said:
It's not up to them, it's up to developers.
http://www.beyond3d.com/content/articles/16/
Virtua Fighter 5 was one of the first games to make use of the scaler.
TheRipDizz
Banned
It's indespensile running around with a buddy in co-op games like Rainbow Six LV or Crackdown for starters. Not to mention finding perfect soundtracks to trance out in games like Geometry Wars and such.B-Ri said:
LOL at "great music is completely disposable in games" mentality.
TheRipDizz said:It's indespensile running around with a buddy in co-op games like Rainbow Six LV or Crackdown for starters. Not to mention finding perfect soundtracks to trance out in games like Geometry Wars and such.
LOL at "great music is completely disposable in games" mentality.
LOL at "importance of custom soundtrack"
I can understand crackdown, and geometry wars, but R6 is definately not a game id be throwing music over on.
Developers have access to it, its not like sony is shutting them out like microsoft is with mods.
TheRipDizz said:It's indespensile running around with a buddy in co-op games like Rainbow Six LV or Crackdown for starters. Not to mention finding perfect soundtracks to trance out in games like Geometry Wars and such.
LOL at "great music is completely disposable in games" mentality.
A friend of mine and I played Full Auto from 12 AM to 6 AM one time. Somewhere in the middle we had the idea of playing Dragonforce. That was awesome.
One of these days I'll get around to picking up Full Auto 2.
TheRipDizz
Banned
It depends. Am I going to have music playing while I'm trying to go through the story, messing with the game's presentation? Hell no. Do I want something to listen to trying to beat a map on terroist hunt for the upteenth time online with a buddy? You bet your ass! The option is ultimatly key here, no question.B-Ri said:
"Developers have access to it, its not like sony is shutting them out like microsoft is with mods"
F*** that shit. I want access to it Sony!
LOL at "music is completely disposable in games" mentality.
badcrumble
Member
Sad to hear that PS2 native rendering at higher resolution is probably a no go. These guys are great though.l
There's a good chance that anyone that wants to use the PS3 as a standalone music player would though. And on top of everytthing else they've already built into the firmware to make the PS3 a perfectly viable music player, my idea would be a very minor update in comparison.Zoe said:
Or they could expand the Remote Play feature to allow you to choose to either simply control the play of media on the PS3 or stream to the PSP as it currently does. Either one would work for me.
What they said was no different from what you said, allowing for translation differences.TheRipDizz said:
Spider_Jerusalem
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Welcome to the first Xbox
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
disc said:
What in the DANG?
I play GHII on the 360 and I've managed to avoid the urge to switch to a custom soundtrack. You know, so I don't completely jack my entire score to heck.
Yeesh, dude. It's there if you want it, across the board, whatever you're doing, and that's how custom soundtracks ought to work.
Nick Laslett
Member
I just can't believe how good these firmware updates have been. From an AV enthusiast perspective.
I never thought we'd get 1080p24, let alone so soon.
The PS3 sure is a great multi-media device. We use it for CDs, MP3s, DVD, Blu-Ray, Internet, photo album and games!
My wife was asking me yesterday if we could use it for video calls with her parents for the kids. I said sure, but her parents would have to get a PS3 too. That will never happen.
The only minor improvement I would like is the photo view to have a random option. All the other upgrades seem to be covered with the leaked feature list for FW2.00.
Any one else notice that when you activate remote play you can't turn off the sixaxis. A small overcite I'm sure they will fix. I've been playing about with remote access a lot in preparation for our summer family holiday. I plan to stream MP4 movies to my PSP on demand for my kids, should give them a lot more choice. That's the theory at least.
I never thought we'd get 1080p24, let alone so soon.
The PS3 sure is a great multi-media device. We use it for CDs, MP3s, DVD, Blu-Ray, Internet, photo album and games!
My wife was asking me yesterday if we could use it for video calls with her parents for the kids. I said sure, but her parents would have to get a PS3 too. That will never happen.
The only minor improvement I would like is the photo view to have a random option. All the other upgrades seem to be covered with the leaked feature list for FW2.00.
Any one else notice that when you activate remote play you can't turn off the sixaxis. A small overcite I'm sure they will fix. I've been playing about with remote access a lot in preparation for our summer family holiday. I plan to stream MP4 movies to my PSP on demand for my kids, should give them a lot more choice. That's the theory at least.
TheRipDizz
Banned
That's correct. I was restating there for reference. My point was refering to the fact that the interviewer specifically asked them if they were going to implement background music like the 360. One of those guys said it was already incorporated, insinuating that it was already like the 360, which it is deffinately not.kaching said:
Panajev2001a
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Aisenherz said:Ooooh you have NO idea
Wake-up on LAN and remote power-off, not trivial to actual implement maybe, but quite well known concepts
.Nick Laslett said:
Actually, problem is that Sixaxis does not have "auto switching off on inactivity" function at all, at least as far as I see. Its actually pretty bad if you have a habit to leave your PS3 running overnight with folding, if you forget to switch off your controller, you'll need to charge it much more often.
Bluetooth remote, on the other hand, switching off perfectly fine, but that was kinda necessity, cause its battery powered.
Hopefully they will fix it soon as well, it will also solve the problem you mentioned above.
Wait a minute, that means that PS1 game are not upscaled but rendered in a higher resolution ? oO
So that should mean that once they get rid of the GS and go for 100% software emulation for PS2 titles, there's a possibility to natively render PS2 games at higher resolution too ? D:
Awesome read also, thanks =)
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