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PS4 pwr 40%> XB1? M.Nelson: "very much looking forward to [when] the truth comes out"
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Sidewinder
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Secret sauce will be served with some crow, right Nelson? Lol.
Lagspike_exe
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The X1 issues are actually related to the design of the system itself. Since they HAD to have 8GB of RAM, they had to target DDR3 and then create the architecture the eliminate the bandwith bottleneck, thus vasting precious sillicon space on it.
Sony, on the other hand, targeted GDDR5 first, and poured all the transistors into a vastly superior GPU. Sony's bet payed off and now they're going to get a more powerful system for around the same price.
Sony, on the other hand, targeted GDDR5 first, and poured all the transistors into a vastly superior GPU. Sony's bet payed off and now they're going to get a more powerful system for around the same price.
Chobel
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There also this interesting comment from Albert Penello, bolded the interesting part
Steverulez
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Why was Major Nelsons account not approved? It doesn't make sense to me.
Edit: y2kev's post above suggests it might not be the case
Edit: y2kev's post above suggests it might not be the case
LiquidSolid
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Thread title is wrong, the gap is closer to 40%.
The way those two are defending this is something I'd be embarrassed by if I were either of them or even just a Microsoft employee. No "inventor of DirectX" magic is going to fucking close a gap that big. It reeks of desperation.
The way those two are defending this is something I'd be embarrassed by if I were either of them or even just a Microsoft employee. No "inventor of DirectX" magic is going to fucking close a gap that big. It reeks of desperation.
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He does have a point about the power hype about PS3 vs 360 though. I believe the difference will be pretty unnoticeable tbh, and probably only visible at all on first/second party titles
Gareth Bale
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Outside of multiplatform games I'm not sure about better, but he does make an interesting point.
One guy with no understanding of tech making ridiculous assumptions based off of a misunderstanding of a tech presentation. If there was a second GPU in there Microsoft would be shouting that from the rooftops.
Subtracting the 9% CPU advantage for XBO from the 40% GPU advantage on PS4 and rounding down :lol
McHuj
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The GPU is, but the system overall isn't. As far as I'm aware a good portion of a game will run on nearly identical CPUs.
WarMacheen
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Lol, we don't know the actual details of the PS4, but there is no power difference in reality.
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There's not a second gpu. People need to get that idea out of their head. At best, there might be some technology in the GPU which is exclusive to Southern Islands which Amd won't let MS talk about until Amd announce it on the 25th (which would explain why MS is allegedly having another developer conference on the 26th_. But you'd wonder why Sony wouldn't have what that is either, and as far as I'm aware no-one has any valid ideas or concepts of what any proposed additional ability could possibly be.
This sounds like PR fluff. Microsoft bet the farm on having an APU with a large single pool of memory from the outset, Sony didn't. MS approach meant they had to go DDR3 and had to spend a lot of their the silicon budget on esram to make up for the limited bandwidth for DDR. Sony though luck or judgement found themselves in a position they could incrementally increase the fast memory in their box to parity against the XB1 at the same time having the available silicon to devote to more GPU resources. Sometimes it's really just that simple. Sony got a bit lucky, MS (for all their other misteps) got a bit unlucky.
This sounds like PR fluff. Microsoft bet the farm on having an APU with a large single pool of memory from the outset, Sony didn't. MS approach meant they had to go DDR3 and had to spend a lot of their the silicon budget on esram to make up for the limited bandwidth for DDR. Sony though luck or judgement found themselves in a position they could incrementally increase the fast memory in their box to parity against the XB1 at the same time having the available silicon to devote to more GPU resources. Sometimes it's really just that simple. Sony got a bit lucky, MS (for all their other misteps) got a bit unlucky.
Psycho_Mantis
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Major Nelson and Penello downplaying the power difference between PS4 and XB1.
They are so confident they have been on a constant rehab PR blitz since the reveal. Can't blame em its their job and they will go all in even in the face of facts. So far they have been on a crazy moneyhat spending binge trying to get timed exclusives in an attempt to have their lineup look like a seamless transition from how they have operated last gen hell they haven't mentioned "TV" since the reveal its like that horrible day never happened and they are just a mild mannered gaming company.
zomgbbqftw
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Fuck this guy. Seriously, threads on comments from Major Nelson, Albert Penello and such just need to be closed. It causes a whole load of shit and we're supposed to accept their comments because they work for MS and are in a position of knowledge. Well fuck all of them, either show the goods and documentation of shut the fuck up. Just like every other GAF member.
I think they're saying 30% now due to the recent upclock they did.
RedNumberFive
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Major Nelson, and the truth?
This is their new form of PR/stance since the 180s.
Before they were like "yeah we have a weaker system, so what!?"
after the 180s and their reevaluations/low preorders, they probably deemed that THAT aspect of all things was not a good place to be totally honest and outgoing about (especially being the more expensive console), and now it's wait and see, the differences aren't there, or secret sauce in the xb1.
Before they were like "yeah we have a weaker system, so what!?"
after the 180s and their reevaluations/low preorders, they probably deemed that THAT aspect of all things was not a good place to be totally honest and outgoing about (especially being the more expensive console), and now it's wait and see, the differences aren't there, or secret sauce in the xb1.
Andronicus
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not sayin people thinking theres a second gpu smoke crack but.....
Lagspike_exe
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But have you seen Titanfall?
Ol No Bones
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Triple soc 7970's with 16 gb stacked ddr4 and 24 core CPU confirmed
Metalmurphy
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The truth:
MS' conference on the 26th is just a Eurogamer Expo talk. It's been scheduled for a long time. Pure coincidence.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
I really don't think there is secret sauce. I do find it interesting that MS are so confident though.
IdreamofHIME
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It's almost like Nelson is an employee of MS and trying to convince people to buy their product.
Marvel
could never
Celestial Mortal
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BrokenEchelon
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I laughed too.
Didn't the PS3 lose a lot of competitive advantage due to the hardware being difficult to program for? I seem to remember devs complain about the PS3 architecture extensively. Or maybe it was PR FUD sent out by drones, I never worked in this industry.
Garrett 2U
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The rumors here about the specs are:
The PS4's GPU numbers are 40% higher. The Xbone's CPU numbers are 10% higher.
40%-10%=30%
Ah thanks, adding to OP.
Salvor.Hardin
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The most interesting thing Albert wrote is what no one is even talking about:
So what will be written on the boxes that will give us a better understanding of this power gap? Because it seems like MS really is holding out on us.
So what will be written on the boxes that will give us a better understanding of this power gap? Because it seems like MS really is holding out on us.
This! Just like with the thought of a earlier release than the 15th. If this stuff was true Microsoft would have been shouting about this for months now.
Vire
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If Microsoft was confident about their hardware they would say what Mark Cerny said "Multiplatform games will look better on our system"
Except they wont...
So instead we get secret sauce bullshit and turbo graphics nonsense. These comments will be laughed at when Digital Foundry rolls around in November and the case is closed.
Except they wont...
So instead we get secret sauce bullshit and turbo graphics nonsense. These comments will be laughed at when Digital Foundry rolls around in November and the case is closed.
I wouldn't read anything into it. These are PR people and they don't want to let 30% more powerful to become widely accepted fact because it implies 30% better games. So naturally they are going to try and deflect these issues, trying to create just a tiny bit of doubt in the hope that at some point after launch they will be able to change tact entirely and start saying "consumers want games not spec sheets".
excaliburps
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Yep. That's the most standout thing for me. No way GAF mods or 'lore won't approve his account. Why wouldn't he be approved?!
Someone please tweet him and ask how this is so? Maybe he's using a different username and email?
SolidSnakex
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That's straight from someone that actually worked directly on the building of the console. Not PR.
Chobel
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After he was asked about it, In his second comment he changed it to "30%-40%".
King Beyond the wall
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If the Xbone had a secret weapon inside the box that would make it considerably more powerful we would know about it. Essentially all the important details of the Xbone's hardware have been leaked so this 'second GPU' would also be known.
Additionally if there was such a secret weapon I think Microsoft would have stressed it to the public just as they have the 'power of the cloud' and the 150 mghz (or however much it was) upgrade.
I believe the Major's comments are designed as smoke and mirrors: ambiguous enough to lead some spectators to interpret positive improvements for the Xbone when, in reality, there are no such improvements. Past examples of this tactic is the family sharing plan which was hinted at vaguely by Microsoft as the redeeming factor of the pre-DRM policies, but leaked to have been, in reality, much more limited.
Just my two cents.
Additionally if there was such a secret weapon I think Microsoft would have stressed it to the public just as they have the 'power of the cloud' and the 150 mghz (or however much it was) upgrade.
I believe the Major's comments are designed as smoke and mirrors: ambiguous enough to lead some spectators to interpret positive improvements for the Xbone when, in reality, there are no such improvements. Past examples of this tactic is the family sharing plan which was hinted at vaguely by Microsoft as the redeeming factor of the pre-DRM policies, but leaked to have been, in reality, much more limited.
Just my two cents.
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