Rogue_Ledr
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Would someone please put a gag on this guy.
Possibly the most annoying mouthpiece out there.
Possibly the most annoying mouthpiece out there.
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PS4 pwr 40%> XB1? M.Nelson: "very much looking forward to [when] the truth comes out"
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zomgbbqftw
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Indeed.
What first came to mind.
Lagspike_exe
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I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, but that's not how it works.
I don't know, didn't see that post. But again, Albert doesn't know everything either; he was already caught flatfooted with the Kinect voice delay stuff in many countries and said he didn't know what was going on and had to go back to the engineers for new answers.
If there is a another secret GPU, would that even be on the box? Why would they list that on the box? I am looking at my Xbox 360 box now and don't even see anything about what's under its hood. Is the Xbox One going to have that stuff on the box? Doesn't seem plausible.
They have some competitive advantages; they've just been advertising them really poorly and have decided to focus on all the wrong things
Celestial Mortal
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Ever since he started flipping switches.
KillerMan91
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Expect that PS4/Xbox one situation is completely different to PS3/X360 situation when it comes to power. Those consoles had vastly different architectures with both having their strong points. Now you have consoles with same CPU, same amount of unified RAM (except that GDDR5 is faster) and GPU that has same architecture. PS4 just has way more powerful GPU. There will be difference. I simply can't understand how some people refuse to get this. Situation is completely different.
KaiserBecks
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Pretty much. "The truth" is 99% likely referring to the fact they think there will be no difference between the two platform's visuals.
Nightengale
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If they had said that they've based their views after a throughout software/hardware dissection of the PS4's architecture, etc... then sure, I would be willing to give them the benefit of some doubt.
But no.
All they're basing on is the fact that MS has smart programmers, talk up DirectX, and leveraging terms like real world performance. (duh, obviously) It shows a complete disregard of their competitor's own strengths and the notion that Sony... can actually do what they do as well on the same level.
You know, Nelson. Didn't you do those comparison tables that talk up hardware differences and all that jazz in the PS3 vs X360 post? It'd be nice to see a return of that.
But no.
All they're basing on is the fact that MS has smart programmers, talk up DirectX, and leveraging terms like real world performance. (duh, obviously) It shows a complete disregard of their competitor's own strengths and the notion that Sony... can actually do what they do as well on the same level.
You know, Nelson. Didn't you do those comparison tables that talk up hardware differences and all that jazz in the PS3 vs X360 post? It'd be nice to see a return of that.
Ricerocket
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These two guys are being mentioned in almost every thread now relating to next gen console threads, it's getting ridiculous.
They are PR people. You won't find any truth to their words, they want to sell you their system and that is all.
They are PR people. You won't find any truth to their words, they want to sell you their system and that is all.
RedNumberFive
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I hope he gets approved. I'd rather have my intelligence insulted directly instead of these drive-by PR statements.
Ol No Bones
Banned
This confirms everything misterxmedia ever said!
Salvor.Hardin
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Here's the post I'm referring to:
I don't quite understand the bolded myself. But it looks like he's alluding to something MS hasn't revealed as yet.
I think that number is just for the GPU differences right? If it is it's not even accounting for the RAM difference.
Yet MS keeps trying to spin that there's a unicorn that farts rainbows in the machine that can make up for that difference. I wish they'd share it so I could turn my GTX 470 into a 780.
Immaculate
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lol exactly
Impeccable
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I wonder if Albert feels like jumping out of a window every time Major Nelson opens his PR mouth.
SolidSnakex
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And Sony themselves have said that they focused on building the most powerful console on the market. Their entire focus was on gaming while MS themselves have said that their focus was on building an entertainment box.
But the CPU difference in actual flops is marginal.
Microsoft is just yet again trying to mislead and re-define to their own PR notion.
That's what it sounds like, and that's why I made the thread. Wondering if anyone could shine the light as to what this could possibly be, if anything.
lmao hotmale.
wasn't the audio chip supposed to be the secret sauce? since it frees up the cpu from having to process the audio or something like that.
Celestial Mortal
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So...The XBOX ONE Major Nelson unboxed doesn't reflect the real shipping boxes?
BrokenEchelon
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You need to have a talk with your card about how it can maximize its value for you.
Krusenstern
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I can't wait till the first multiplatform comparisons from Digital Foundry hit the web, so this charade can finally start to die down.
What would be the use of that if by then most people won't care? Why wouldn't they say whatever it is the system has that we don't know of now, when they need it the most?
It just sound like BS.
Chobel
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I understand it as the day you open the shipping boxes and play the games you won't see the difference.
The thing about all of these comments from MS PR about the power difference seem to be operating under the false assumption that visual fidelity is quantifiable. 40% more GPU power doesn't mean a game will look 40% better, just that there is more horsepower to make a noticeable visual difference.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
Or is it something Sony hasn't revealed yet? Or is it just nothing.
digoutyoursoul
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Sorry if I'm wrong but that guys blog reads like a revenge seeking fanboy. He keeps calling GAF about Sony bias aswell which gets annoying after the 147th time
Well I certainly don't know what the box itself will reveal. We have the unboxing, you can see here. We know what's on four out of the six sides, to my knowledge, none of which reveal anything at all we don't know. The back of every single console packaging I've ever seen in my life has never revealed anything too in-depth, it's usually marketing jumble: Oh here is a lineup of games, thanks to the UNPRECEDENTED POWER of this platform X is possible, look at these online features, etc. I've never seen a single one get detailed like "and with our hidden GPU". The most I think I've seen was PS3's reference to the Cell and Emotion Engine, which wasn't even a secret. The side of the package is used for legalese and details about what's in the box usually.
I really wouldn't expect anything. As a gamer I hope they have such as thing, but I really don't think the probability is high.
Grover Cleveland
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Microsoft guys saying that their console is better? I'm honestly surprised by this.
While I do think the differences in multi-plats will be small to completely negligible (at least initially, as these devs figure the consoles out), the numbers are all there.
The PS4 IS more powerful
While I do think the differences in multi-plats will be small to completely negligible (at least initially, as these devs figure the consoles out), the numbers are all there.
The PS4 IS more powerful
fatgamecat
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In response to the OP's Penello quote: So despite the PS4 GPU being 40% stronger, having faster RAM, and being far better at GPGPU compute, the two consoles have "balanced" relative performance? I think we'd all love to see evidence of this.
Nobody doubts MS and Sony have smart programmers, but anything MS can do with its software, Sony can do. The claim that "games will look great on both systems" is subjective and says nothing about the raw numbers.
Yes Sony overhyped PS2 and PS3 capabilities, but the situation is different now. Given the architectures of PS4 and X1 are so similar, direct hardware comparisons are very valid. The different won't be "really huge", but it will be noticeable to serious gamers.
BTW, Sony could still slightly OC their CPU/GPU pre or even post-launch if they determined it was safe for launch systems.
Nobody doubts MS and Sony have smart programmers, but anything MS can do with its software, Sony can do. The claim that "games will look great on both systems" is subjective and says nothing about the raw numbers.
Yes Sony overhyped PS2 and PS3 capabilities, but the situation is different now. Given the architectures of PS4 and X1 are so similar, direct hardware comparisons are very valid. The different won't be "really huge", but it will be noticeable to serious gamers.
BTW, Sony could still slightly OC their CPU/GPU pre or even post-launch if they determined it was safe for launch systems.
zomgbbqftw
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Or it's just bullshit to try and get their pre-orders up.
Everything from MS is poison right now. They all need to shut the fuck up and let the soufflé rise or not. This FUD and implying that their product is going to be better than previously outlined without actually giving any hard figures is all bullshit.
MS need to crap or get off the pot, break out the numbers or shut the fuck up. Since Major Nelson and Penello haven't broken the figures out it's all bullshit.
Can someone do the actual performance difference? As in exact figures. In terms of flop count. That way we can close the book on Microsoft's own skewed version of the numbers.
The GPU difference after the upclock has the PS4 at what, 41% more powerful? What is the flop difference between the CPU's post upclock?
The GPU difference after the upclock has the PS4 at what, 41% more powerful? What is the flop difference between the CPU's post upclock?
Nightengale
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That just sounds weird, given that the manuals in the retail boxes don't detail specs down-to-the-dot. We're more likely to see the hardware details at their most basic level, aka everything announced at the pre-E3 reveal event.
This is just assumption, but I think he's simply referring to the fact that we will know all the behind-the-scenes details about all the technicalities of the system, like actual RAM allocation, clock-speed, etc once the console is out there.
AgentChris
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The secret sauce is real. Believe.
Garrett 2U
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It's as accurate as our current % power comparisons, so no, it's not how it works not at all.
I really don't think the 30% number he threw out was significant, I think he was just trying to make a point that they wouldn't accept a significant power difference.
We don't know the full specs of either console yet so how could we?
NullPointer
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Can't wait.
They're talking about the cloud right? Must be the cloud. I've been waiting for the truth to come out about the cloud since they started talking about it's infinite power.
I'm ready to be impressed MS.
They're talking about the cloud right? Must be the cloud. I've been waiting for the truth to come out about the cloud since they started talking about it's infinite power.
I'm ready to be impressed MS.
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