djplaeskool
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Guess he's getting the real black experience in America now.
Bruh...
BRUH.
Guess he's getting the real black experience in America now.
wait... why? why is one okay and not the other?The hell are you talking about? Being transgender is legitimate, being transracial is not.
wait... why? why is one okay and not the other?
pretending it's obvious doesn't make you right. you haven't explained why one is okay and not the other.Oh dear lord, gender is an actual biological construct has legitimate neurological differences between the two sexes. There is nothing different between a black and white brain
Oh dear lord, gender is an actual biological construct has legitimate neurological differences between the two sexes. There is nothing different between a black and white brain
pretending it's obvious doesn't make you right. you haven't explained why one is okay and not the other.
Oh dear lord, gender is an actual biological construct has legitimate neurological differences between the two sexes. There is nothing different between a black and white brain
pretending it's obvious doesn't make you right. you haven't explained why one is okay and not the other.
pretending it's obvious doesn't make you right. you haven't explained why one is okay and not the other.
This is like alt-right argument prep
are you suggesting that transgender is okay simply because the brains are different? i would think that GAF could do much better, like saying that transgender is okay because being forced into a gender identity by society is sexist and should be done away with.
This lady did a fucked up thing. And I'm not trying to excuse that, or troll people in this thread, but I genuinely don't understand how one can reject this concept of "trans-racialism" while accepting both trans-genderism and the idea of race as a purely social construct.
I thought the argument in favor of trans-genderism was that gender is just a pigeon-hole that society puts people in based on physical characteristics; therefore, people have the right to take themselves out of that pigeon-hole, so to speak, if they so choose.
If race is also just a label created by society based on physical characteristics, does it not follow that people have the right to change their label if they want, just like trans-gender people?
I'm obviously missing something. Several people have mentioned that trans-genderism is backed by science. Are you referring to gender dysphoria? If so, is that the sole difference here? And if science ever uncovered some kind of racial dysphoria, would that legitimize this concept of trans-racialism?
Again, not trying to offend anyone, and if I did, it was purely unintentional and due to ignorance of this subject.
are you suggesting that transgender is okay simply because the brains are different? i would think that GAF could do much better, like saying that transgender is okay because being forced into a gender identity by society is sexist and should be done away with.
this is like dogpiling prep
I'm just gonna jot down a few random thoughts:
Its fully possible and socially legitimate to either grow up surrounded by black culture or immerse yourself in black culture to the point that you identify with black culture more than the culture you were born into, in her case white culture.
Racial identity and cultural identity are not the same.
More than that, at some point she decided to pretend to be black. Not adopt black cultural norms through a natural process, but to pretend to be black.
Choosing to be black is like the ultimate form of white privilege. I'm gonna pretend to have an oppressed racial identity because I want to. Frankly, its an insult to blackness itself that she thinks blackness is something she can opt into.
More than that, since she does have such a clear affinity for black identity, instead of trying to "pass" as black, she should instead have become the ultimate white ally. Be an ally to the black community, use her privilege to support Black Americans, but not pretend to have a racial identity that is not hers.
If she feels internally that she is black and not white, then that is certainly something worth exploring but I'd have to read more about it to try to understand. From what I know, it just seems insulting.
Guess he's getting the real black experience in America now.
Guess he's getting the real black experience in America now.
I'm just gonna jot down a few random thoughts:
Its fully possible and socially legitimate to either grow up surrounded by black culture or immerse yourself in black culture to the point that you identify with black culture more than the culture you were born into, in her case white culture.
Racial identity and cultural identity are not the same.
More than that, at some point she decided to pretend to be black. Not adopt black cultural norms through a natural process, but to pretend to be black.
Choosing to be black is like the ultimate form of white privilege. I'm gonna pretend to have an oppressed racial identity because I want to. Frankly, its an insult to blackness itself that she thinks blackness is something she can opt into.
More than that, since she does have such a clear affinity for black identity, instead of trying to "pass" as black, she should instead have become the ultimate white ally. Be an ally to the black community, use her privilege to support Black Americans, but not pretend to have a racial identity that is not hers.
If she feels internally that she is black and not white, then that is certainly something worth exploring but I'd have to read more about it to try to understand. From what I know, it just seems insulting.
I think what's being suggested is that transgenderism is okay because it's in line with the person's neurological state. I could understand if you didn't agree with the explanation, but I can't understand how you can't recognize it as an explanation.
Call me crazy, but things might go better for you if you actually read the response that had been typed out for you and made some attempt at processing it in your brain.
This lady did a fucked up thing. And I'm not trying to excuse that, or troll people in this thread, but I genuinely don't understand how one can reject this concept of "trans-racialism" while accepting both trans-genderism and the idea of race as a purely social construct.
I thought the argument in favor of trans-genderism was that gender is just a pigeon-hole that society puts people in based on physical characteristics; therefore, people have the right to take themselves out of that pigeon-hole, so to speak, if they so choose.
If race is also just a label created by society based on physical characteristics, does it not follow that people have the right to change their label if they want, just like trans-gender people?
I'm obviously missing something. Several people have mentioned that trans-genderism is backed by science. Are you referring to gender dysphoria? If so, is that the sole difference here? And if science ever uncovered some kind of racial dysphoria, would that legitimize this concept of trans-racialism?
Again, not trying to offend anyone, and if I did, it was purely unintentional and due to ignorance of this subject.
I read it. I didn't understand it, because it doesn't make sense and I don't think that's on me when the explanation is bad. I don't think your interpretation is what he had in mind. His explanation was that different genders have different brains. Am I supposed to make a connection to that and to transgender being okay? I could say the same thing to you, really. If you took the time to read and understand what he said, it makes very little sense.
Male brain != Female body
If Male brain + Male body: no conflict
Female brain + Female body: no conflict
Male brain + Female body: conflict. transgenderism is a valid response.
Female brain + Male body: conflict. transgenderism is a valid response.
If Black brain = White brain
Black brain + Black body: no conflict
White brain + White body: no conflict
Black brain + White body = White brain + White body: no conflict
White brain + Black body = Black brain + Black body: no conflict
Again, I don't understand what's so hard to understand.
I don't think she's doing this maliciously. I think she just has some mental disorder and probably needs some help. I find it hard to believe she can't find some job, but I see why people wouldn't hire her. When you keep putting yourself in the press though, I can't say that I feel much sympathy for her
Transraciality is pretty clear-cut not a real thing. I mean, I suppose I could see yourself identifying with some traits of a given race/culture, but that doesn't mean you are a part of that culture. Maybe she just doesn't understand that or maybe it runs deeper.
Spotted the programmer .
I get that, I think. And it's fairly easy to understand why people would be insulted by someone who lies about being black for personal benefit, especially if that someone is a white person in America. My question was more about "trans-racialism" in general rather that this particular situation.
Male brain != Female body
If Male brain + Male body: no conflict
Female brain + Female body: no conflict
Male brain + Female body: conflict. transgenderism is a valid response.
Female brain + Male body: conflict. transgenderism is a valid response.
If Black brain = White brain
Black brain + Black body: no conflict
White brain + White body: no conflict
Black brain + White body = White brain + White body: no conflict
White brain + Black body = Black brain + Black body: no conflict
Again, I don't understand what's so hard to understand.
Right? Like I just ain't here dealing with all this shit and yet NOT doing horribly offensive things.already a thing for multiracial people
Meaning is it possible that someone feels that they are of a different race than the racial identity they are perceived to have or born with? Maybe but race and ethnicity and culture and even nation of origin are all so tied together it would be very interesting but also difficult to imagine. For example, i don't know anyone who is Asian but feels they are Latino. I do know people who identify more as Asian as a racial identity than Chinese or Korean or Japanese as an ethnic identity because they are Asian American and a whole host of reasons that go along with that. I have met people of all races who feel that they have lived the life of a white person or are "basically white." But this is really about society and culture and relationships to power and privilege more so than race, if that makes sense. Race is super complicated of course and because our perceptions of race are so dependent upon social interaction and cultural norms and traditions and at the same time tied to genetics and appearance, I honestly can't quite imagine how someone could feel that they are X race instead of the race they were born into. But neurologically, its probably possible. Every rigid category ultimately has its limits and areas where it breaks apart. We've already seen this with gender and sexuality. Maybe we'll see it more with race in time.
I'm glad you took the time to type all that up, but forgive me if I don't just take your word for it when it comes to these issues. First of all, you need a double equals for booleans. Secondly, I have a huge problem with people assuming that transracism isn't a thing. It's very much still up for debate. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying you don't know, so stop pretending you do.
I'm glad you took the time to type all that up, but forgive me if I don't just take your word for it when it comes to these issues. First of all, you need a double equals for booleans. Secondly, I have a huge problem with people assuming that transracism isn't a thing. It's very much still up for debate. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying you don't know, so stop pretending you do.
I'm glad you took the time to type all that up, but forgive me if I don't just take your word for it when it comes to these issues. First of all, you need a double equals for booleans. Secondly, I have a huge problem with people assuming that transracism isn't a thing. It's very much still up for debate. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying you don't know, so stop pretending you do.
If a Black man said he felt White inside and tried to look "White" by lightening his skin would we even be giving that shit this level of thought?
Or would we all shake our head cause bro got issues trying to be something he's simply not?
It's not a thing. Transracialism is not a thing.
I'm glad you took the time to type all that up, but forgive me if I don't just take your word for it when it comes to these issues. First of all, you need a double equals for booleans. Secondly, I have a huge problem with people assuming that transracism isn't a thing. It's very much still up for debate. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying you don't know, so stop pretending you do.
pretending it's obvious doesn't make you right. you haven't explained why one is okay and not the other.
Why are y'all giving a junior with half their posts ever in this very thread the time of day? You know the game.
People being arrogant about their ignorance is a pet peeve of mine.
If a Black man said he felt White inside and tried to look "White" by lightening his skin would we even be giving that shit this level of thought?
Or would we all shake our head cause bro got issues trying to be something he's simply not?
Meaning is it possible that someone feels that they are of a different race than the racial identity they are perceived to have or born with? Maybe but race and ethnicity and culture and even nation of origin are all so tied together it would be very interesting but also difficult to imagine. For example, i don't know anyone who is Asian but feels they are Latino. I do know people who identify more as Asian as a racial identity than Chinese or Korean or Japanese as an ethnic identity because they are Asian American and a whole host of reasons that go along with that. I have met people of all races who feel that they have lived the life of a white person or are "basically white." But this is really about society and culture and relationships to power and privilege more so than race, if that makes sense. Race is super complicated of course and because our perceptions of race are so dependent upon social interaction and cultural norms and traditions and at the same time tied to genetics and appearance, I honestly can't quite imagine how someone could feel that they are X race instead of the race they were born into. But neurologically, its probably possible. Every rigid category ultimately has its limits and areas where it breaks apart. We've already seen this with gender and sexuality. Maybe we'll see it more with race in time.
If a Black man said he felt White inside and tried to look "White" by lightening his skin would we even be giving that shit this level of thought?
Or would we all shake our head cause bro got issues trying to be something he's simply not?
I can see that arguing with you guys is going nowhere, so I'd just like to pose a question to you. In the following video, is the person in question Chinese, or Black? Because she argues that she's Chinese, and I'm inclined to believe her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2XAWcs7HbM
This is ALREADY a thing. Its sad and complicated and it does deserve thought. I've definitely met black people who, due to the circumstances of their own life. literally identify more with white culture than black culture. But again that's cultural identity not racial identity.
Just wanna say this is an issue that biracial people come to terms with and live with all the time. But I don't know anybody that thinks they are transracial or whatever the fuck they are trying to call it now.
It's very much still up for debate.
I can see that arguing with you guys is going nowhere, so I'd just like to pose a question to you. In the following video, is the person in question Chinese, or Black? Because she argues that she's Chinese, and I'm inclined to believe her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2XAWcs7HbM
She's Black Chinese. Meaning ethnically she is of African descent. Culturally and in terms of national identity and cultural identity she is Chinese. Race being so tied to ethnicity, she is Black. You can be any race and born in a different country and only ever live with that country's social and cultural norms. But you can't remove her African descent from her.