Frozenprince
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Really enjoyed Jojo Stardust Crusaders. Cannot stand DIU. Will it get any better?
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Frozenprince
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Y'all are gonna love part 5 I can already tell.
You can't assess what you can or can't afford to keep in a story by judging it against the standards of another medium. Part 4 is a story that was always intended to be read long-form.
I don't think there's a great feature-length story in Part 4 either. At least not a story you could compare to the source material and say is enjoyable along similar terms. The main villain is my favourite in the entire series, but he only has as much impact as he does because of how much time the series spends sharing the town and its' people with you.
To put it in more modern terms, finding out the murderer in Persona 4 matters a whole lot less if you don't spend the year in the town.
chillybright
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Ikr. That was the first episode I watched in SDC (I like to pick a random episode as my pilot to see if I would enjoy a show) and I was like wtf is this shit but I like it!
Imperial Bishop
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That's just the tip of the iceberg
I'm assuming. I haven't read the later parts of JoJo.
Frozenprince
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Persona is basically just JoJo with more waifus. 4 is DIU down to a science.
chillybright
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First thing I thought when they introduced the stands.
Hatty
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Speedwagon>Naoto>Your waifu
Exactly why I brought it up.
Frozenprince
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Persona/Atlus loves Araki more than Fromsoft loves Miura.
Also, you complain about the tropes but you should understand, in context, he invented a lot of them.
Imperfected
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It's certainly a more refined version of the same story.
Introducing the murder plot from the outset certainly helps an absurdly huge amount.
Frozenprince
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If not for the world building how would I ever know Jotaro just wanted to be able to talk to dolphins? My life is better for having known that fact.
hosannainexcelsis
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It's more consistently structured, but I'm not sure I'd say it's better.
Imperfected
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Hey, don't get me wrong, I love every moment Jotaro is on the screen in Part 4. Half the time he's probably unnecessary, but he makes everything better for me.
I fully understand liking the extraneous stuff. The Oingo Boingo side story is one of my favorite bits of Part 3, and that's just about the most unnecessary aside there is. I just also understand that when an author is writing for Weekly Shonen Jump they spend half their waking hours just trying to stay ahead of deadline, and some of the chapters that get pushed tend to be whatever they could ship that week as a result, rather than what's actually best for the overarching narrative.
I think this is entirely evident in how much more focused and proficient Araki's writing became the moment he left Shonen Jump.
To answer your question OP. Part 7 is the best finished part.
Oh yeah. Not 1 to 1, but clearly inspired by.
Oh yeah. Not 1 to 1, but clearly inspired by.
Persona 3 and 4 are HEAVILY inspired by DiU. Ridiculously so, and especially 4.
Personas are basically Stands. Actually, almost all "spiritual ghost that fights for a human user" manga/anime, like Shaman King, are all inspired by Jojo in some respect.
Monochromaticx
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I don't understand the tropes complaint ..two highschoolers get a romantic relationship but nothing about it fits any tropes. They actually do get together too instead of spending the entire series roaming and hinting about it (I am looking at you Naruto!!)
Anyway, stick with it longer to the main bad guy. DiU is like 2001 space Odyssey, starts slow and builds up slowly for a grand finale
Anyway, stick with it longer to the main bad guy. DiU is like 2001 space Odyssey, starts slow and builds up slowly for a grand finale
LucidMomentum
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Atom Heart Mother
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if josuke is what looks stupid to you how did you tolerate jojo in the first place
How do you feel about Part 5, then?
But they explain why he looks that way and it's a good reason.
Killer Queen
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Peak Jojo was part 2. It's all downhill from there.
Araki just evolves his art style as his story goes on. He doesn't do any changes to his style at the beginning of arcs, but through the years it runs. I mean I guess all authors of long-running manga do this, but in Jojo it's one of the most apparent. Left-right is over a period of like 4 years (middle is the anime design of course).
Tizoc
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Atom Heart Mother
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thats not
steel ball run
Yeah, this. Steel Ball Run is fucking incredible.
That being said, I can see people absolutely loving Part 6 Stone Ocean starring a female Jojo for once. It's a fun part.
Atom Heart Mother
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Ha it could be, as I have not gotten that far. I got burned halfway through part 6 and just never went back. But Jojo part 2 was just right man.
Lol good one.
I can't tell if you watched Part 1 and 2 (Phantom Blood and Battle Tendency respectively) or not...
Honestly my favorite parts still and from what you've said you liked about Part 3, they'd be up your alley.
But I am kinda flabbergasted that you said Part 3 didn't have any "filler", it was the most monster-of-the-week Jojo and part of why I just don't like Part 3 and the majority of Part 4.
He's not wrong.
Jojo Part 2 is best Jojo
Honestly my favorite parts still and from what you've said you liked about Part 3, they'd be up your alley.
But I am kinda flabbergasted that you said Part 3 didn't have any "filler", it was the most monster-of-the-week Jojo and part of why I just don't like Part 3 and the majority of Part 4.
He's not wrong.
Jojo Part 2 is best Jojo
depending on how hard I sneeze or how strong the breeze blows, I might say Jojo Part 1, they're basically even for me
Permanently A
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My guy, Steel Ball Run is apex JoJo. Hell, it's apex battle manga. And I totally feel you on burning out, I burnt out on stone ocean and SBR breathes new life into the series in a way I didn't even think was possible.
As someone who's up-to-date with the manga, Part 2 is pretty much mid-tier stuff.
「Ｗｅｌｃｏｍｅ ｔｏ ｔｈｅ Ｔｒｕｅ Ｍａｎ'ｓ Ｗｏｒｌｄ」
Not all fans of Jojo are Jojo fans. The series is long and covers many distinct stories/ writing styles/ character designs/ poses and I find that a significant portion of people who are readily able to accept BattleTendency or Stardrust Crusaders are thrown completely the fuck off by Gappy, Johnny being
(second fiddle to Gyro)
Part six to part seven in particular is a deal breaker for a lot of people.
I, for one, love the whole god damn thing.
Peak Jojo was part 2. It's all downhill from there.
Araki just evolves his art style as his story goes on. He doesn't do any changes to his style at the beginning of arcs, but through the years it runs. I mean I guess all authors of long-running manga do this, but in Jojo it's one of the most apparent. Left-right is over a period of like 4 years (middle is the anime design of course).
gimme left all day... going from SDC's Hokuto no Ken likeness to that unremarkable DIU anime style was quite a shock for me.
chillybright
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Watched beginning and ending of part I, thought I was way too slow. Read somewhere online that says jump to part 3 where stands are introduced and things got more interesting. So I read a few chapters of manga of part II and jumped into 3. I might go back and watch anime part II.
Imperfected
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Er, well... it's a reason, anyway.
It seems like that's a Chekov's Gun that never got fired because Araki thought better of it midway through the arc.
DIU is to Persona 4 like Earthbound is to Undertale.
He finally found his own style instead of ripping off Hokuto no Ken, which I didn't mind.
Steel Ball Run is many times more technically refined, better looking, composed, and aesthetically pleasing than any of his other work, including parts 1-3.
I like pompadours so it works for me.
This is a comparison that's lost on me, I didn't play EB or UT.
Nearly all of Stardust Crusaders between the first five episodes and last five episodes is "bullshit padding or filler", if we're judging by the same standards as you seem to be judging DiU. Almost none of those fights matter at all.
Cool, the single most common and generic plot in all of storytelling.
Stardust Crusaders has the most boring Stands in the whole series. Naturally it would, because it was the first part to have Stands, but still. The main cast's stands include:
1) Punch Ghost
2) Fire Punch Ghost
3) Fast Punch Ghost
4) Punch Ghost that can also possess people but this almost never comes up again
5) Punching a camera to take a ghost photograph. That's it. That's all it does.
The stakes for almost literally every fight up until Dio basically boils down to "we have to beat this person to get to Dio" with little to no variation. Most of the villains are extremely flat characters that just exist to get satisfyingly oraoraora'd.
Perhaps compared to modern anime, I guess, but at the time it was written in the early 90s the art style was pretty clearly inspired by stuff like Fist of the North Star.
This is just your personal distaste for stories involving high schools. There's no shortage of other types of tropes in Stardust Crusaders; it borrows pretty heavily not just from other shonen manga but also action movies.
Disclaimer: I think Stardust Crusaders is a boring, overlong slog whose only redeeming qualities are ROAD ROLLAAAAAA and setting up the rest of the series.
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