I'm fairly certain he just forgot about it.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Really enjoyed Jojo Stardust Crusaders. Cannot stand DIU. Will it get any better?
- Thread starter chillybright
- Start date
- Status
I'm fairly certain he just forgot about it.
It's truly, truly been a roundabout path...
I fucking cried like a baby during the end of SBR
Gormless Noodle
Member
I also can't stand how much they nerfed Jotaro in this. He falls for the dumbest shit in Diamond
, like u shittin' me with this or what? Like I get it, he's not the protagonist of Diamond so his plot armor is mostly gone, but come on now.
and practically loses to a fucking RAT while using The World, one of, if not the most OP ability in the whole series
It get's better, but if you enjoy the style of the earlier parts, including the art, it's best to just keep trying with DiU for now and if you don't like it stop with Jojo.
Araki can't go back to his old style anymore, he says he can't, just for fun here some characters in his new art:
Kars
Dio
Hol
Araki can't go back to his old style anymore, he says he can't, just for fun here some characters in his new art:
Kars
Dio
Hol
Permanently A
Junior Member
Honestly, that rat would have probably been capable of killing several important characters from Part 3. Just a single hit from a sniper rifle dart like starts melting your flesh super quickly. It's kind of unfair to downplay that.
Also, Jotaro's stand power was stated to be several meters range (same with Dio) in Part 3 as well. That was actually unchanged. The only thing that got nerfed about him was that he wasn't able to stop time for as long because it's been so long since he needed to use the ability.
Do it, part 2 is wonderful. It takes a couple episodes for set up (since it was basically the establishing of how jojo 'time skips' would work) but it's got no fluff and all the fist of the north star like action you seem to want.
???
1) He wouldn't have gotten injured if he didn't have to protect Josuke.
2) The rat had a good matchup against him. He's strong, but not fucking invincible.
The fact that Jotaro couldn't punch his way through all of his problems in part 4 is a good thing, and you're totally downplaying his ridiculously good moments like when he bodied Kira despite being near death
2) The rat had a good matchup against him. He's strong, but not fucking invincible.
The fact that Jotaro couldn't punch his way through all of his problems in part 4 is a good thing, and you're totally downplaying his ridiculously good moments like when he bodied Kira despite being near death
There are, with very few exceptions, no power levels in JoJo. Has nothing to do with plot armor (which also isn't a thing in the series).
flintstryker
Banned
The fuck!? Part 2 is the best with the best protagonist as well, I have read part 1-6 and I still haven't found any of the protag to be as fun as Joseph, and while the stand definitely allows for more interesting battles I will forever love ripple.
edit: lol at the guy above complaining about nerfed Jotaro in part 4, now its known how I felt about how badly Joseph was nerfed in Part 3 to make Jotaro looks more awesome
Araki is very whimsical as an artist. He works fast and loose and, well.... never expect character art using designs outside of currently running arcs to be recognizable. Colors, designs, style, and indeed quality is very inconsistent.
It's something you definitely have to learn to appreciate, though I admit in most of Steel Ball Run and some parts of Jojolion the art is absolutely top tier (while in other parts in Jojolion the art has been the absolute worst in the series).
He forgot how to fly, teleport into sewers/ teleporting drinks/ toys/ electronics to his location, and star finger.
Imperfected
Member
The main nerf Jotaro took was transitioning from Clint Eastwood to whacky grandpa (uh... nephew) Clint Eastwood. There's really that one line that says it all.
Jotaro's still cool in Part 4, but he's 80's cool and it's not the 80's anymore. (Well, okay, it's actually super 80's in Morioh, but that's more a function of Japan being Japan.)
Hey, Josuke, say something cool so he knows we weren't scared.
Jotaro's still cool in Part 4, but he's 80's cool and it's not the 80's anymore. (Well, okay, it's actually super 80's in Morioh, but that's more a function of Japan being Japan.)
I mean, that isn't some crazy opinion. A lot of people feel the same.
Killer Queen
Banned
...where?
And my response to them would be the same.
Glass Rebel
Member
Parts 1-3 feel very pedestrian in comparison to later parts. I used to put Battle Tendency at the top of my list and it's not bad by any means but my appreciation for the other parts has grown over the years. Not counting JoJolion it goes like this:
1. Steel Ball Run
2. Diamond is Unbreakable
3. Stone Ocean
4. Vento Aureo
5. Battle Tendency
6. Stardust Crusaders
7. Phantom Blood
Also Josuke is clearly the best JoJo.
1. Steel Ball Run
2. Diamond is Unbreakable
3. Stone Ocean
4. Vento Aureo
5. Battle Tendency
6. Stardust Crusaders
7. Phantom Blood
Also Josuke is clearly the best JoJo.
The beginning of the manga-thing was forgotten in the latter parts of Part 3.
Essentially, Araki retconned Star Platinum at the VERY BEGINNING being able to go all the way to a convenience store and get Jotaro that stuff to his punch-ghost only having a few meters of range. That's not Part 4's fault, that happened in Part 3.
The flying wasn't actually flying, it was him jumping using the assistance of Star Platinum's legs (I think the anime OVAs actually animate it so you can see the ghostly legs of the stand superimposed on his own legs.)
That being said, have you ever played Pharah against a Widowmaker? Jumping up high in the air is a really bad idea against a sniper.
Part 2 was my favorite until Part 4. The anime looked a lot better, had a much better supporting cast, and Stands are infinitely more interesting than Hamon. It also had the best villain in the series so far.
Looking forward to Part 7 considering how much praise it gets. Won't probably see it until 2020 when the anime gets to it lol
anime ranking so far:
1. Diamond is Unbreakable
2. Battle Tendency
3. Stardust Crusaders - Egypt Arc
4. Phantom Blood
5. Stardust Crusaders
Looking forward to Part 7 considering how much praise it gets. Won't probably see it until 2020 when the anime gets to it lol
anime ranking so far:
1. Diamond is Unbreakable
2. Battle Tendency
3. Stardust Crusaders - Egypt Arc
4. Phantom Blood
5. Stardust Crusaders
Imperfected
Member
I know a decent number of anime-only fans who still feel Battle Tendency is the best part thus far. They universally cite Joseph and Caesar as the reason.
I don't agree, personally, though I do think Bloody Stream is still the most fabulous OP.
A lot of people really like Joseph. But as the entirety of BT goes, it's pretty down the list for the majority of manga readers.
Killer Queen
Banned
Truth, that or Stand Proud.
As a long time Jojo fan my anecdotal experience is that part 2 and part 4 are the most cited as personal favorites by people who read beyond part 3.
I wasn't saying that he should have done these things against the rat. I'm saying how he was nerfed.
I don't think so
I'm a manga reader and Part 2's not in my top 5
I'm a manga reader and part 2 is in my top 2.
BassForever
Member
Agree with you OP part 4 is the first part of Jojo I put down out of boredom. I'll probably marathon the second half in a few days but the majority of part 4 has been a let down.
flintstryker
Banned
I am also a manga reader and part 2 is my favourite
At least from what I've seen in the manga thread it's usually fairly down the lists. It's just pretty short and the fights don't hold a candle to stands fights. The main character is fun but that only gets it so far.
Imperfected
Member
Of course Part 7 is more popular in the West. Cowboys know what's up.
davidwhangchoi
Member
OP, just don't complain about his hair
I think this is a really bizarre comparison. I have no evidence of this but I think it's safe to say that there is very little crossover between the kind of people who like cowboys/ westerns and people who specifically like Steel Ball Run.
Maybe now, but for a long time the only way to experience part 4 was through duwang. Maybe the demographics have changed. I've seen it on MAL top anime rankings myself. Feel out of the loop whenever I check what's on top now.
Yeah, pretty much.
The Silver
Member
Can't believe someone got mad Jotaro getting beat by
, that was the perfect example of how it doesn't matter at all how OP your stand is in a vaccuum, there's always someone with a counter and the way they look is irrelevant. That's a lesson you MUST learn when watching Jojo.
Ratt
Imperfected
Member
Any cowboy that doesn't like Steel Ball Run may as well turn in his cowboy-ing license.
Really? Wouldn't have imagine part 5 being the favorite.
Japan loves its Yaoi.
Uh, I'm sure I can think of a better inspiration comparison, but really just play P4. Just know it starts out slow.
Imperfected
Member
They may be filthy sluts, but the dudes in Part 2 are still swole as heck. I'm assuming "masculine" in this case equates to "muscular".
Glass Rebel
Member
Anasui was so hot we all mistook him for a woman at first.
Fans of part 3 would like a higher death toll and a lot of death battles. Parts from 5 onwards certainly have enough murder of that sort. People getting confused or angry by increasingly stranger abilities will have to fall back to table top games if they want a solid system based narrative. Jojo and stands make up their own rule book that isn't made for inspections on the sub-atomic level like some MMO theory crafting.
Gormless Noodle
Member
To pretty much take all of these together, what got nerfed was his ability to think. You see the same pattern with Joseph in Stardust as you see it with Jotaro in Diamond. One of Joseph's hallmarks was his cleverness, which was, outside of a rare moment here or there, pretty much gone in Stardust (yes I know he got old). I would say it's virtually the same with Jotaro in Diamond albeit to a lesser degree. It's that always having a plan B sort of thing that I see as plot armor since it seems to switch to whomever is the protag at that point.
papertoonz
Member
first thing your under selling Josuke ability it's not just healing, just stick with it and see what happens
second about villians being not as threatening well that's understandble to some degree but part 4 isn't about a big evil trying to take over the world, DiU is about a bunch of people trying to protect there home town and most off the encounters a just normal people that a living is said town, DiU asks "what would normal people do with stands?" some try to use them to get a quick buck, some try to use them to improve there craft and some try to use them help other people, simple as that
People who like part 3 tend to also like part 5 and like part 4 less than both. Part 6 is a wild card depending on the person.
- Status