GarthVaderUK
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If the game itself is poor or mediocre, what does it offer people who don't get the retro references?
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Retro City Rampage sales breakdown
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frankie_baby
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he likely only needs to crawl a short way to get there though
Not a lot really. It's like a dumbed down version of the original GTA games.
Is the Vita really easy to develop for?
Seems like more developers would get on board if they realised that it was actually very simple to create/port games for the Vita.
Lets say he has 5000 sales total - 3500 in NA and 1500 in Europe. He only would need 500 sales to reach the threshold in each region. If this is the case, he doesn't even need to manage one copy sold per day in each region to get there. And like somebody else said, even if he can't do that he can always give away free copies to get over the threshold.
Ah, well in that case he's probably screwed.
"Clarification: Those sales numbers per platform circulating are not accurate, extrapolated from a bar graph that didn't show to-the-digit."
https://twitter.com/RetroCR/statuses/318031938524966912
"RCR hasn't sold close to that on Wii, significantly more on the other platforms. Around 100,000 units total across all platforms 5+mo in."
https://twitter.com/RetroCR/statuses/318032548628402178
https://twitter.com/RetroCR/statuses/318031938524966912
"RCR hasn't sold close to that on Wii, significantly more on the other platforms. Around 100,000 units total across all platforms 5+mo in."
https://twitter.com/RetroCR/statuses/318032548628402178
Jesus you take this console war shit too seriously. All I was responding to was a post that said "Whats up with XBLA sales being super down recently?." I think the fact that the XBLA version was released later is a perfectly reasonable, non-controversial explanation for why the sales are lower on that platform. I'm not making an "excuse' because I don't care which platform the system sold the most on, and yes I would give the same explanation for weaker sales on a delayed or poor port to any platform. That's the whole reason timed exclusives exist. Could it have been on XBLA day one? Maybe, but clearly Microsoft did not care about this game, and neither did gamers as evidenced by its 100k WW sales.
Why would you do that?
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I liked the game. I'm surprised so many said it was plain bad...
I would have bought it on WiiWare if it remained a (timed) exclusive or if it weren't for the fact that it has no filters (which is understandable, but it still makes it gimped). So instead, I got it day 1 on PS3.
However, on my CRT TV, there is a lot of messed up colors on the PS3 version because the game isn't 1:1 with the pixel grid. The Wii version would look significantly better on it I'm sure.
Shame they may not have gone over the WiiWare threshold, though.
I would have bought it on WiiWare if it remained a (timed) exclusive or if it weren't for the fact that it has no filters (which is understandable, but it still makes it gimped). So instead, I got it day 1 on PS3.
However, on my CRT TV, there is a lot of messed up colors on the PS3 version because the game isn't 1:1 with the pixel grid. The Wii version would look significantly better on it I'm sure.
Shame they may not have gone over the WiiWare threshold, though.
Jeez are these worldwide numbers? I feel like I'm in an exclusive club or something for owning the WiiWare version, lol.
Robert at Zeboyd Games
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For a game that was mostly made by one person, $1.2+ million gross after 5 months of sales counts as a huge success.
LiquidSolid
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Uh, he was. A few of us have already pointed that out in this very thread. Problem was that he was left waiting for a slot for months so he just decided to get the versions he already had ready (the US PSN and PC versions) out there.
I'd agree that it's an unfair comparison but I just didn't like what came across to me as a dismissal of what happened when in reality, it should be used as a lesson to Microsoft. Obviously they didn't care about this game but they should care about any game coming to their system, especially if it's also coming out on a rival console (which has ultimately resulted in good publicity for Sony and negative for Microsoft).
Yeah, he told Destructoid that it was about 25% of the way there, which would put it at around 1000 units in the US and 500 in Europe. If this is how bad a hyped game (albeit one that's been available on other platforms for a while) like RCR sells on Wiiware, I'd hate to see how poorly the lesser known releases have been selling recently.
frankie_baby
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problem with hyping a game 2 or 3 years before a release is no one gives a shit when it comes out and even less of a shit when it comes out earlier on other systems and is apparently pants
phosphor112
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That's brutal. Less and less people are wanting to choose XBLA...
Miles Quaritch
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Doesn't ring true. The Live Arcade release had some significant changes made. If he had been left waiting months for a slot, he wouldn't have been able to make those changes as it would have undergo the cert process again and wait even longer for a slot.
Kenshin001
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He said the XBLA version was 99.9% done when the US PSN version released and he was just waiting for a slot. US version released on October 9th, changes were done by November 15th and released in a patch for both PS3 and PC versions.
http://www.destructoid.com/retro-city-rampage-is-out-october-9-on-ps3-vita-and-pc-236139.phtml
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/03/22/indie-dev-talks-playstation-versus-xbox-development
efyu_lemonardo
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This is a pretty lousy situation all around for Nintendo. They should just get somebody to round up all the data on WiiWare games that didn't pass the thresholds and give developers a cut. It doesn't seem to be that hard since they probably already have this information neatly organized somewhere. Figuring out the amounts and who to pay them to shouldn't be more than a week's work for one person, and it would garner a lot of good will towards the company which it could use on the eShop.
Let's not blame WiiWare or Nintendo, as this post seems to suggest. Fact is WiiWare has been dead for two years and the Wii for at least one. A lot of people have probably either gotten rid of their Wii or at least unplugged it and packed it away. Plus many will have already bought the game on other platforms. At this stage every single sale is a surprise.
Let's not forget that in its heyday WiiWare proved very successful for World of Goo, LostWinds and Bit.Trip. Two years ago this would have sold thousands.
Hell, if WiiWare was connected to the Wii U eShop the same way DSiWare is to the 3DS eShop, it would've done sold thousands.
Yep. I still don't understand why Nintendo haven't made the WiiWare library available on the eShop like the 3DS has DSiWare.
I'm guessing technical reasons. The eShop really provided a new lease on life for DSiWare and gave the eShop a lot of good games right off the bat. I'm sure they'd do that again with WiiWare if they could.
Nintendo could/should have done a lot more to keep Wiiware alive. The sales requirement and the idiotic submission process were the two main things that led to its downfall, and both of those things were fixed when they launched DSiware way back in 2009, so there's no reason for them to not have implemented changes to the way Wiiware operates. I don't agree with your statement that the Wii is dead for general use, either. The Last Story was the most successful game in XSEED's history, Epic Mickey 2 sold better on the Wii than on the other platforms, and it's still the most popular platform for using Netflix. People are still using their Wii's, and would be more than happy to buy some new games for it if Nintendo or 3rd parties would bother releasing them.
I'm almost convinced the team that worked on the Wii U OS was either not as skilled as the team that worked on the 3DS or was understaffed.
Having "launcher" titles in the Wii U side that simply boot Wii mode directly into the selected app nd having the Wii U eShop inject the titles/tickets directly into the Wii NAND should not have been a big issue at all and wouldn't compromise security.
efyu_lemonardo
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This is something I've been thinking since Wii U's launch, but since I'm no expert programmer I was never certain it wouldn't cause a compromise...
They had more forward-thinking when making they made the DSi than they did when they made the Wii. I don't really know, because the Wii U eShop as a layout is the best thing they ever made. It might have made for a bit of a jarring experience to switch from one storefront to another, plus you'd have to have a Wiimote to use the Wii Shop Channel.
Shai-Tan
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I hated it at first but it grew on me. I wouldn't say it's fantastic but running around shooting stuff with dual sticks is kind of fun.
frankie_baby
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after the degree to which the Wii was hacked I don't blame them for completely locking away all the Wii stuff into its own sandbox
efyu_lemonardo
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Even then there are better ways to do it than completely isolating the Wii Shop.
Just off the top of my head, Wii Shop games could have their own page on the eShop to show an overview and a trailer/screenshots and allow you to make a purchase. Once you do, a ticket is passed between the eShop servers and Wii Shop servers so next time you boot into Wii mode and enter the shop, the game would display as 'downloadable' or 'gifted' just like any other Wii Shop game was on Wii.
This is a cumbersome setup to be sure, but it's still better than what Nintendo have in place right now, and the only exchange of information between Wii U and Wii infrastructure happens on the side of Nintendo's servers, so they could make sure it's secure.
Davey Cakes
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I'm almost surprised that the game is on track to eventually pass the WiiWare threshold. It just came out, after all, and it has two years.
When the game was originally announced, people got pretty excited for the WiiWare version. This of course was back when WiiWare was still picking up steam.
The game releasing way later, in pure stealth fashion, certainly didn't help it. Looking at the PR update in the Nintendo Downloads thread was funny. RCR was at the very bottom. Like "oh, that game released too." It missed its chance to release in high-profile fashion on the service. WiiWare is pretty terrible at times but I imagine worthy games still see success on it.
When the game was originally announced, people got pretty excited for the WiiWare version. This of course was back when WiiWare was still picking up steam.
The game releasing way later, in pure stealth fashion, certainly didn't help it. Looking at the PR update in the Nintendo Downloads thread was funny. RCR was at the very bottom. Like "oh, that game released too." It missed its chance to release in high-profile fashion on the service. WiiWare is pretty terrible at times but I imagine worthy games still see success on it.
efyu_lemonardo
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It's not. There's a quote in this thread that says so.
Nintendo only has themselves to blame when they don't have an account system in place.
How is that even related
This is hardly a XBLA problem. How is that any different to retail sales? And on any platform? Or other mediums like books and movies?
It's about games having an appeal to enough people, not how critically acclaimed it is. PS3's audience is likely to skew more towards the core, given the higher price of the console over time and the more niche first party and Japanese titles on the platform. Hence, a game like this (with all its substance based on retro videogame references) probably suits PSN's audience better.
Not sure how much it matters in the grand scheme of things, or if it does at all. But some people (like myself) won't get anything digital from Nintendo until they have a proper account in place. Pity because I like the look of games like Pushmo
I'm assuming that lack of an account translates to less sales for TheSeks
lunchwithyuzo
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I probably would've bought it last spring/summer/fall when it was continually promised. I still bought La-Mulana and various VC games (Monster World IV, Last Blade 2, Mega Man X2, etc).
Actually, I wonder if La-Mulana made the sales thresholds for NA/EU?
I really think we should have a thread just so that people can complain about the lack of an account system on Nintendo consoles, so that we don't see it popping up in every eShop thread.
efyu_lemonardo
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that would go against Gaf's policy on dedicated, centralized mega threads
It's WiiWare, man. RCR not generating revenue has nothing to do with an account system -- it's the fact that it's a dead platform, along with Nintendo's ill-conceived policy of a minimum sales threshold, which is also a dead policy.
I imagine releasing a game on WiiWare seemed like a great idea to Provinciano back when he thought of it. I'm sure he didn't predict the game would take so long to develop, nor the current state of the Wii and WiiWare when it did finally release.
If the game were released on 3DS or even Wii U, those versions would have been met with much more success.
I was (partially) joking. It's a bit annoying seeing people go into eShop threads just to say that they won't buy stuff.
Hey I'm not saying I agree the lack if an account is the reason for poor sales. I'm just coming up with a reason why someone would think it'd contribute. It's not my own view
While I agree with you in principal. As in people shouldn't post in topics they don't care about. But this isn't really an eShop thread
Sorry, I didn't mean to target you specifically there. I knew you weren't defending the original point. Was just trying to expand on my disbelief.