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[RUMOR] Paul Thurrott: Xbox 720 is expensive: $500 or $300 for sub model, 5/21 Unveil
- Thread starter Hoo-doo
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i love how every single bit of rumored news on 720 is negative. add this new price point rumor to the growing list of things to complain about before we actually know anything
- $500!?
- GDDR3
- comparatively weak gpu
- monthly live fees
- always online
- no used games
- kinect 2.0
- kinect required to be on at all times
- direction (new execs not being OG xbox execs)
did i miss any?
- $500!?
- GDDR3
- comparatively weak gpu
- monthly live fees
- always online
- no used games
- kinect 2.0
- kinect required to be on at all times
- direction (new execs not being OG xbox execs)
did i miss any?
Yeah, I'm gonna wait.-Internet required
-No BC
-Microsoft's focus slowly shifting away from games
-Heavily rumored to block used games
-$500
This gen going to be a no brainer for me.
Always on internet is a big deal for me because my connection likes to shit itself every once in a while. MS hasn't been showing any games interest and I do love me some BC.
Officerrob
Banned
Good luck with that
It's not a gaming console anymore. It's the focus for all your entertainment in the living room.
This is the route it's going.
BigJonsson
Member
500 sounds about right to me, but what do I know
Currently XBL is $5/month, the 360 subscription plan is $15/month. I'm willing to bet that we'll see MS go with a subscription model that is $299 up front + a $20/month payment which includes XBL in it.
KojiKnight
Member
$300+ contract is a worse deal than my cell phone plan...
$500 also assures me that I won't be buying into nextgen for the first couple years (if you think the PS4 will launch for substantially less than this as well, you'd be dreaming). Once the systems get down below $300 and include at least 1 killer app, then I'll think it over.
$500 also assures me that I won't be buying into nextgen for the first couple years (if you think the PS4 will launch for substantially less than this as well, you'd be dreaming). Once the systems get down below $300 and include at least 1 killer app, then I'll think it over.
GoofsterStud
Member
You missed no BC
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
So then you do believe there will be a cheaper sku. Ok, I agree with that. Imo there will be a $429-449 model that includes a very good size HDD, and all other features as the high end model. IMO the higher end model wil just include. ps+ subscription and bigger HDD.
Fixed.
I think you're mostly right. The $300 subscription option will be the cheapest option, yes,
But I'm betting Sony will do a lot to come in under $500. They might have a $450 model (or maybe lower) and be willing to take a bigger hit with losses on the initial HW sales. Not having to bundle an expensive kinect camera will help.
MS might be banking on the subscription option to lower their entry price
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
that $99 360 sku is great news though, there's a small number of exclusives i would like to try out.
The DDR3 ram is not a negative, i'm sorry it isn't. Its not as fast as PS4 ram but its not too long ago that people were thinking that we'd get 2gig of ram and maybe 4gig if we were damn lucky........apart from that yeah i agree!.
Rumored to be around 400-450 from a various different sources.
$400-$450 was already going to be a hard sale.
If people are forced decide between a console and an iPhone or Tablet, they'll pick the latter every goddamn time. I really don't understand this price point. $500 is far too high for the hardware that's in these machines and the R&D costs associated with them. My best guess is that they're going for a really fat profit margin per machine sold.
If Microsoft & Sony touch that figure they're asking for a repeat of Wii U sales figures and market performance.
If people are forced decide between a console and an iPhone or Tablet, they'll pick the latter every goddamn time. I really don't understand this price point. $500 is far too high for the hardware that's in these machines and the R&D costs associated with them. My best guess is that they're going for a really fat profit margin per machine sold.
If Microsoft & Sony touch that figure they're asking for a repeat of Wii U sales figures and market performance.
Entertainment "consoles" are usually even cheaper. Roku boxes, Apple TV, all around the 99$ mark and offer a great user experience for consuming video content.
Hell, the PS3 is my favorite media player of all time and it's getting cheaper by the day. Blu-ray, Netflix, PC streaming, it does it all.
I don't see anything besides gaming that's going to be attracting people looking for a "entertainment" device.
If it's compared to a console that's offering 8GB of GDDR5 instead, at similar cost, how is that not a downside? Developers have been clamoring for as much RAM as possible since forever.
Voice of Reason
Banned
With all these negative rumors, there's nowhere else to go but up at this point, so I expect a good conference.
Little Green Yoda
Member
I think he's referring to the cost going up for people who sell their played games to finance their new game purchases. If indeed the nextBox prevents used games from being played.
Kun Aguero
Member
The Times which is about as reputable a newspaper that you can get in the UK ran a story (that was covered on GAF), saying that Sony were aiming for a PS4 price point in the region of £300. I also remember an interview with one of the top guys from Sony (can't remember who it was) when asked if the ps4 pricing would be closer to $300 or $600, said he certainly hoped it would be closer to $300, so that points to a sub $450 price in the U.S. (the interview was conducted at the PS meeting)
Kinda sucks but Microsoft is looking to ride momentum from event to event with the reveal followed by E3 then their BUILD 2013, which I wish I could attend. I wouldn't expect launch to be more than 6 months post reveal either.
If Microsoft has learned anything from the terrible Surface RT launch is that they need to reveal and launch in a relatively short time frame (ala Apple) in order to keep the buzz about the product high.
I'm under no illusion the PS4 will be cheaper.
But even at equivalent prices, it looks like Sony's screwing the consumer over less, so that gives it more value to me.
R
Rösti
Unconfirmed Member
I'm hoping Microsoft will talk a bit about these issues and maybe announce that Xbox event come April 18 and the Fiscal Year 2013 Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call.
http://www.microsoft.com/investor/default.aspx
It took Sony from announcement of PlayStation Meeting 2013 to reveal of PS4 twenty days, so hopefully we will know more soon. It's Microsoft's remaining earnings conference call before E3 anyway so they would want to appease the investors somehow.
GoofsterStud
Member
Still missing lacks backwards compatibility rumors (including this one)
Uno Venova
Banned
Nah that's 50 above my limit and I'm not getting a subscription. Not sure why PS4 is getting lumped in with this, everything has been pointing to a 400-450 price point.
Sure, but if they do go for their previously laid out model then it will be a terrible deal. you can get year subscriptions to gold for super cheap, and the 10 extra dollars for 24 months will work out to 40 dollars more then the original cost of the 500$ unit. If you can afford 300$ then you can shell out an extra 200$. Or if you cant then maybe do layaway.
Of course people hardly think about these things when they are looking at the price tag.
GoofsterStud
Member
Not only that but they have no reason to lower the price.
It's not like your just going to buy the used one cheaper later. You'll see less price drops since they have complete control of the price.
I think $500 is a good price. I want a quality home console and I'm willing to pay for it. If it has as long as a lifespan as the 360, then $500 is a good deal. There are bound to be multiple SKUs for this thing, so it could possibly be even cheaper. Shit, Apple releases a new IPad every year for $500 and people eagerly buy them. Microsoft releases it's first new console in 8 years and people are getting angry about a $500 price tag.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
Bill Rizer
Member
Seems like Ps4 like will be the only true nextgen AND true game console. Gamers market is potentially in their hands, admitted such a thing still exists, effectively (but I think yes).
Synless
Member
You don't know for sure that it is weaker, they have announced nothing. You also don't know the price of the PS4, it could easily be $500 as well.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
So Sony got the RAM 100% right whereas Microsoft got zero?
GoofsterStud
Member
I haven't heard those yet. Though I will put money on the subscription plan being more expensive than the non subscription plan for live.
Apple is a lot more popular than Microsoft at the moment, they have the power of brand loyalty and consumer zeal surrounding mobile devices behind them.
Microsoft (and Sony) are struggling with a market that's being ignored for mobile and tablets, and competing with them in terms of multimedia devices.
"No Kinect pack-in, off-shelf parts only, Final Destination" is the mindset of the gamers making this claim, no matter how false it is.
Why would Sony use a lower MSRP when they don't have to, they should be confident in their product's features that they could justify a higher price tag.
There's no way Sony won't market skim.
Voice of Reason
Banned
Ok, that makes sense.
I would like to think if they eliminate used sales (which until we go 100% digital, probably won't happen) that the Live Marketplace will become more akin to Steam with seasonal sales with huge discounts.
Red Liquorice
Member
Probably been covered, but I don't understand what I'm paying $300 for a "subscription model" for - that implies I pay $300, then even more on top of that on a monthly/quarterly/annual basis. I don't get it.
The only bag they will see is a body bag if they take a huge loss on every system sold again.
So don't count on it.