Anybody else think they will "gimp" the new consoles so they can sell "upgraded" ones during a mid gen refresh.
Given what people are saying (and the article quoted above), either they go for 5nm EUV and eat the ramp up costs to beat Apple and the likes to it (still early for 2020 possibly) or EUV for 7nm will not buy them an incredible amount of extra performance (quite lacklustre to be fair).
Man this sucks!
Yes, this is the first time since GCN1 they're changing the CUs, so it's post-Navi.
Possibly the same ‘next-gen’ GPU which was referenced at the shareholders meeting.
https://techreport.com/news/33843/report-tsmc-ceo-says-7-nm-production-is-ramping-up
7nm ramping up, EUV will even come before the end of the year.
2019 here we come.https://techreport.com/news/33843/report-tsmc-ceo-says-7-nm-production-is-ramping-up
7nm ramping up, EUV will even come before the end of the year.
50 designs are taped out...
I think anything after holiday 2019 is ok. I just hope PS5 isn't terribly underpowered compared to XBTwo. I have my friends and games on PS4, wouldn't like to have to change sides next gen.I think anything before Holiday 2020 is too early.
I think anything after holiday 2019 is ok. I just hope PS5 isn't terribly underpowered compared to XBTwo. I have my friends and games on PS4, wouldn't like to have to change sides next gen.
A 2021 5nm Zen 3 Xbox on a large die (same size as the Xbox One X) would be significantly more powerful and capable than a 2020 7nm Zen 2 PS5.
MS needs to have a power advantage over Sony, otherwise there is no reason not to opt for a PS5 with its superior first party support.
I hope to see Zen 3 consoles.
Would ideally want 5nm Zen 3 consoles in 2021 from atleast MS if not Sony but that might be asking too much.
I’m most excited about the 2023 3nm Super Switch that will undoubtedly show up with 1080p undocked and 4K docked support.
I'm not sure they'll even pull that off. The switch launched 4 years after XBO and PS4 and the thing can still barely do 1080p. A 'super Switch' in 2023 will likely be somewhere between PS4 pro and X, if even that.A 2021 5nm Zen 3 Xbox on a large die (same size as the Xbox One X) would be significantly more powerful and capable than a 2020 7nm Zen 2 PS5.
MS needs to have a power advantage over Sony, otherwise there is no reason not to opt for a PS5 with its superior first party support.
I hope to see Zen 3 consoles.
Would ideally want 5nm Zen 3 consoles in 2021 from atleast MS if not Sony but that might be asking too much.
I’m most excited about the 2023 3nm Super Switch that will undoubtedly show up with 1080p undocked and 4K docked support.
A 2021 5nm Zen 3 Xbox on a large die (same size as the Xbox One X) would be significantly more powerful and capable than a 2020 7nm Zen 2 PS5.
MS needs to have a power advantage over Sony, otherwise there is no reason not to opt for a PS5 with its superior first party support.
I hope to see Zen 3 consoles.
Would ideally want 5nm Zen 3 consoles in 2021 from atleast MS if not Sony but that might be asking too much.
I’m most excited about the 2023 3nm Super Switch that will undoubtedly show up with 1080p undocked and 4K docked support.
Here we go boys!
Sony having a two year lead tho...
MS won't allow any advance from Sony next gen, you can bet they're aiming for first or hot on Sony's heel at the very least. Those E3 studio purchase announcements, is how they hope to get round the first party argument. Not too sure they can match, but MS cearly wants every card in their hand next round and you can bet being out first counts as three quarters of a straight flush.A 2021 5nm Zen 3 Xbox on a large die (same size as the Xbox One X) would be significantly more powerful and capable than a 2020 7nm Zen 2 PS5.
MS needs to have a power advantage over Sony, otherwise there is no reason not to opt for a PS5 with its superior first party support.
I hope to see Zen 3 consoles.
Would ideally want 5nm Zen 3 consoles in 2021 from atleast MS if not Sony but that might be asking too much.
I’m most excited about the 2023 3nm Super Switch that will undoubtedly show up with 1080p undocked and 4K docked support.
A 2021 5nm Zen 3 Xbox on a large die (same size as the Xbox One X) would be significantly more powerful and capable than a 2020 7nm Zen 2 PS5.
MS needs to have a power advantage over Sony, otherwise there is no reason not to opt for a PS5 with its superior first party support.
I hope to see Zen 3 consoles.
Would ideally want 5nm Zen 3 consoles in 2021 from atleast MS if not Sony but that might be asking too much.
I’m most excited about the 2023 3nm Super Switch that will undoubtedly show up with 1080p undocked and 4K docked support.
I'm not so sure the moves to 5nm and 3nm will be quite so fast. The limits of the laws of physics have already started interfering with these die shrinks. I doubt that's going to get any better as we go smaller barring some kind of paradigm shift.There’d be no point to that Xbox because if you get a 7nm PS4 in 2019, you’ll get a 2022 3nm PS5 Pro.
GlobalFoundries, TSMC, and Samsung are all planning for 3nm production in 2022. GF is considering skipping 5nm altogether. They have means to getting down to 1nm chips as it is but not cost effective at this point.I'm not so sure the moves to 5nm and 3nm will be quite so fast. The limits of the laws of physics have already started interfering with these die shrinks. I doubt that's going to get any better as we go smaller barring some kind of paradigm shift.
And if they slapped a pro out in year three...yeah I could see 19 for ps5 and 20 for x2, but not '21 if MS are wanting to increase market share.
My dream would be a Vapor Cooled PS5 launching in 3 years using a 3nm Zen 3+ 3Ghz 3x3 core CPU, 30GBs of 3D Stacked HBM3, a 3TB SSHD and 30 TFs of GPU Horsepower.
If Sony launch a bc PS5 there is no way MS comes back 2 years later and catch them for that gen. The gen begins when the PS5 or XB2 launches, people are not gonna wait 2 years. MS have to launch with PS 5 or before PS5 if they want to stay relevant.A 2021 5nm Zen 3 Xbox on a large die (same size as the Xbox One X) would be significantly more powerful and capable than a 2020 7nm Zen 2 PS5.
MS needs to have a power advantage over Sony, otherwise there is no reason not to opt for a PS5 with its superior first party support.
I hope to see Zen 3 consoles.
Would ideally want 5nm Zen 3 consoles in 2021 from atleast MS if not Sony but that might be asking too much.
I’m most excited about the 2023 3nm Super Switch that will undoubtedly show up with 1080p undocked and 4K docked support.
If Sony launch a bc PS5 there is no way MS comes back 2 years later and catch them for that gen. The gen begins when the PS5 or XB2 launches, people are not gonna wait 2 years. MS have to launch with PS 5 or before PS5 if they want to stay relevant.
12 months is fine if it is more powerful and same price
Perhaps this could mean early 2020! WOOT... what a time to be alive.
I think that's a very wrong assumption. "Good enough" is barely a marginal difference at best. X is a large upgrade over both the Xbox S and PS4P.MS is not giving PS5 1 year headstart. Having a more powerful hardware 1 year later is not going to beat the competition. They know this, Sony knows this. Why do you think they did a pre-emptive move by announcing that they’re working on the next xbox already at E3.
Just my guess but i would say right now the ps4 pro is outselling the xbox one x. Good enough system and $100 cheaper.
You can see..power doesn't really matters in the end. The Xbox One X has also more power hardware onboard a lot of people really don't give a shit about the machine but what content they can deliver.
Building a powerful machine is not special and difficult, it's difficult to make great and powerful games.
The difference between the Pro and X is the same as the difference between XB1S and PS4.I think that's a very wrong assumption. "Good enough" is barely a marginal difference at best. X is a large upgrade over both the Xbox S and PS4P.
You can see..power doesn't really matters in the end. The Xbox One X has also more power hardware onboard a lot of people really don't give a shit about the machine but what content they can deliver.
Building a powerful machine is not special and difficult, it's difficult to make great and powerful games.
12 months is fine if it is more powerful and same price
I highly doubt that. Look at what happened with PS3 when X360 had a year head-start. The only reason PS3 managed to recover at the end of the gen was because of how strong Playstation as a brand is worldwide.12 months is fine if it is more powerful and same price
I would say notable upgrade, specially because of higher bandwidth, but not a large upgrade from ps4 pro.I think that's a very wrong assumption. "Good enough" is barely a marginal difference at best. X is a large upgrade over both the Xbox S and PS4P.
MS is not giving PS5 1 year headstart. Having a more powerful hardware 1 year later is not going to beat the competition. They know this, Sony knows this. Why do you think they did a pre-emptive move by announcing that they’re working on the next xbox already at E3.
Just my guess but i would say right now the ps4 pro is outselling the xbox one x. Good enough system and $100 cheaper.
They will be a bit late, especially if they want to make XB2 more powerful than PS5 without bleeding money.That preemptive announcement is classic MS PR tactics. They very well may be 6 mo to 1 year behind, and want to appear ready and early.
They will be a bit late, especially if they want to make XB2 more powerful than PS5 without bleeding money.
Then again, it's MS we're talking about, their monopoly can in theory fund any other business...
It's risky. If it's only 10% more powerful obviously that's not worth being late. 30 begins to get interesting but I don't know how realistic that is.
12 months is fine if it is more powerful and same price