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Saint Seiya Omega: All New Saint Seiya TV Anime! |OT| - ATHENA, OPEN MY HAATO!
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hosannainexcelsis
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you're a rather generic looking design!
The designs are 100% iconic, regardless of what you think of them, and while I dont understand how anyone could DISLIKE the new designs, I think its easy to see why many would prefer the older ones. Nostalgia does play a part, but 80s anime/manga genuinely have their own unique feel.
I wont pretend to not have a bias though, as this is coming from someone who did watch the original Seiya as a kid and had many of the original banda figures.
cosmicblizzard
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The difference is that the new designs are very shoujo. The shiny armor, the proportions, the body type, the eyes; it all screams shoujo which isn't everyone's cup of tea. While the original designs were still bishounen, the art style was distinctly shounen with a much grittier look. Considering this has always been a franchise aimed at males, I don't think it's that hard to believe.
I mean I have no nostalgia for the franchise since I watched it all a few months ago and I still find Umakoshi's style abysmal. I didn't love the original designs either outside some of the Gold Saints, but still...
Edit: And as said before, the original designs are iconic. A lot of iconic things are rather simplistic. You don't see people complaining about Mario's design.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
People still hating on Umakoshi. 
People still hating on Umakoshi.
My first Umakoshi exposure was Casshern Sins, and truth be told I thought it looked pretty ugly until I saw it in motion. Now I can't even imagine how I ever thought his style looked anything less than amazing.
hosannainexcelsis
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I associate Umakoshi's style so strongly with Casshern Sins, which is certainly not a shoujo show, that I am simply unable to make that connection.
I can understand preference for a different artistic style, especially for people who prefer their anime characters to have muscles out the wazoo, but I hope people can distinguish between that and the quality of the art. I don't want to hear anyone saying Umakoshi is a poor artist.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
u stop hating on mai waifu right now
None of this has to do with the actual quality of the designs. Yes, they are different. But they aren't bad.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
Depending on how you define "quality", I would say it's pretty subjective. The way I see it, the proportions are off, the characters look anorexic and the armor essentially being leotards makes no sense in context. Are these complaints any less valid than the ones for, say, Horizon?
One's a stylistic quirk and the other is just a straight up mix of pandering and incompetence.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
I'm not seeing a difference.
I prefer the former. The latter is, for better or worse, pretty much identical to the source material anyway.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
Watched the episode, didn't like it as much as Lost Canvas, despite the nostalgia intro. But I see great potential once all the bronze saints are together.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
You are sporting an Utena avatar. I don't think you are truly unbiased.
Yeah but anything not in the former style is straight up adaption from their source. At least as far as I know. Regardless I prefer the former, along with his Marie and Gali stuff as well. The thin character designs seem to better compliment his animation style, his battle scenes tend to make his characters look agile and so on. Air Master is ugly btw.
I imagine though that older fans would prefer an update of the old style.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
I agree in part since bronze saints started to get weirder armors over time. But so far, I haven't seen anything that touches the original gold saints.
It's all about that wonderful way of shading the shinny surfaces, never quite translated from paper to the screen though.
Watched the first episode, they definitely hit the right nostalgia notes, good decision in reusing the Pegasus theme from the OG series. Some of the animation was pretty cool and I admit the designs work better in motion(although they're still not really to my liking). Story seems kind of dumb though and I don't think this is an auspicious start, but we'll see how it goes from here.
Oh that's right he worked on xmen didnt he.
Only that one episode.
Know what I haven't seen cashern sins but I really like his designs in that, his heartache precure ...no it's those faces and eyes look creepy imo , air master lol bad seen street fighter alpha but can't quite remember If I liked, I do remember few characters having creapy eyes but I think it may have added to the movie.
Watched the opening in hd and not shaky cam pure nostalgia bomb.
Watched the opening in hd and not shaky cam pure nostalgia bomb.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
I actually liked Air Master's designs, but I wouldn't really call them good. It was fine though because the choreography was top notch.
I didn't like the fight scenes at all. :\
Granted I've never actually seen the entire show.
I didn't feel like the episode was slow at all; it was pretty much the same as
the pacing in the first Heartcatch Precure episode!
Lord Ghirahim
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I've watched enough Saint Seiya to not expect any semblance of linguistic/cultural consistency.
It's slow because nothing really happens in it at all. Anything which took place in the entire 20+ minutes of the show could be condensed into a 8-10 minute sequence and it would have lost nothing in characterization or entertainment. It was just a dragged out introduction episode which features only one of the main characters in the show and nothing more.
He's MARS because he's the planet Mars as well as the god of war. Ares is the god of war but not a planet.
The main villain is horrible in every way. This whoever who is designing needs to borrow more from the past works in the series and avoid coming up with his own stuff.
Also, first episode and we already have our magical crystal...
At least Episode G had very, very detailed designs.
Also, first episode and we already have our magical crystal...
At least Episode G had very, very detailed designs.
Lord Ghirahim
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Ares is the god of war but not a planet.
http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ά...0;λανήτης)
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Raging Spaniard
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I dunno how to feel about this yet (only watched the opening and saw the designs)
Initially I thought the designs are weak but thats because of the style mostly, once I saw the opening and saw them in motion I understood their purpose. Theyre drawn that way to keep it agile and full of motion. My favorite Seiya designs are still the originals though, they felt more solid and rustic, which was good contrast to how sleek the Golden Knights were.... Now there's not much of a difference.
It should be a good show as long as they keep the pieces moving, the original is one of the prime examples of how NOT to do pacing (well, not so much the early episodes, the later stuff is what I mean)
The opening theme doesnt hold a candle to the original theme, but its nice. It really misses the strong SAAAINT SEIYYYAAAAAA right away to set the tone.
Initially I thought the designs are weak but thats because of the style mostly, once I saw the opening and saw them in motion I understood their purpose. Theyre drawn that way to keep it agile and full of motion. My favorite Seiya designs are still the originals though, they felt more solid and rustic, which was good contrast to how sleek the Golden Knights were.... Now there's not much of a difference.
It should be a good show as long as they keep the pieces moving, the original is one of the prime examples of how NOT to do pacing (well, not so much the early episodes, the later stuff is what I mean)
The opening theme doesnt hold a candle to the original theme, but its nice. It really misses the strong SAAAINT SEIYYYAAAAAA right away to set the tone.
I don't think they could have removed any of the scenes in which Kouga and Saori interact with each other; they had to sell their relationship to the audience in order to get the drama in the later half of the episode to work. The training with Shaina was kinda necessary to set-up the tone of physical abuse Saints have to endure while both training and fighting. Some scenes could have been condensed, but not by that much.
Well, I disagree because I don't feel any of that mattered. It wasn't very interesting to me, and by the end of the episode it still wasn't very interesting. Interactions are only important if they actually matter. None of it matters because the entire episode was one boring lead-up to Koga getting into the cloth which everyone already knows he will get into because that's the premise of the entire show. Boring.
That's kinda like saying that nothing in Eureka Seven episode 1 mattered because it was one big lead-up to Renton falling for Eureka and getting into the Nirvash which everyone already knows he is going to do because that's the premise of the entire show.
It doesn't help that, what with this being slownen, the main character is the least interesting part of the equation. I'm hopeful that the other Saints will be more interesting as following Kouga around seems pretty dull.
Yeah I'm interested in the other characters too, because I really don't see the appeal in following the shocking trials of tribulations of Seiya Jr. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that the series is going to end up being pretty stock as far as genre tropes go.
The preview for ep2 already suggests that Soma is going to be the exact character he looks like and is described as - the playful and carefree hotblooded best friend character. That's not automatically a bad thing, but considering how predictable and boring I find how things are going, I doubt I'll stick around for more than a handful of episodes unless something really shakes things up.
Maybe having interesting villains will help.
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