Chobel
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She said this 5 weeks ago.
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She said this 5 weeks ago.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Like I said, we'll see how we go. Fortunately, regardless of which way they go, it'll be a significant upgrade from the OG Xbox One. Which is ultimately the point.
I think MS thought process behind it is to be a cross generational in its design. At least that's what I get from the specs of this thing and their messaging.
Chobel
Member
The situations are not even remotely similar lol
The situations are not in any way comparable aside from 'GAF was wrong that one time'.
But sure.
still dont get it ha
Statham masterfully came into the PS4 sales thread from yesterday and derailed it by simply uttering the word Scorpio
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Well, they kind of are.
I'm not fussed either way. It's ultimately going to be a giant upgrade on Xbox One, so I'll be buying either way. Even if it was only a modest upgrade I'd be buying it.
hehe, got it now. Statham is cool, just a joke I guess
On topic, yeah, this thread makes no sense. Its just a PPT that was already there on AMD Dec presentation.
Masterful is the word. So much disruption, anger and confusion because of single-word post, lol.
Perhaps only to be surpassed by Phil Spencer going on Twitter and tweeting "Zen".
Samurai G0SU
Member
lol nice try!!!!
But you forgot to sneak in this mention about the scorpio
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https://twitter.com/XboxQwik/status/816148329876684800
and LMAO
https://twitter.com/aarongreenberg/status/815563654162681856
THE BEAST!
I meant Zen, didn't I? Oh well...it's out there.
LukasTaves
Member
She could have just said no Zen in any semi custom design at all in 2017. When she talks about roadmap it seems she is just being vague (perhaps intentionally) which is why I think people are still hung up on that.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Scorpio will have Zen and Vega. That's my story and I'm sticking it to it till Scorpio launches.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Still don't think it's impossible they will manage to get it into Scorpio and just aren't saying as much yet. Late 2017 is very close to 2018 after all.
Metalingus5150
Member
anothertech
Member
She mentioned 2018/19 directly. Can't be much more clear than that.
Here we go.
OdysseusVA
Banned
Scorpio
gaming_noob
Member
Electret
Member
Another valuable piece of information suggesting no Zen, but some will nevertheless find a way to toss it aside. Evidence and logic be damned!
Souldestroyer Reborn
Banned
No point in that. They'd be pushing their .5 console closer back into PS5 territory.
Let's just say they postpone it till sometime 2018. PS5 releases 2019/20. It's too risky as MS would then have to either release at the same time a brand new Xbox after only 1/2 years, or let Sony take a year plus sales with no competiton, plus I don't think publishers would be too happy.
Anyway, Zen is not happening in Scorpio.
8 core Jaguar CPU paired with a Vega GPU and 12GB RAM is realistic.
Scorpio's chip probably takes like a year to test/validate. Throw in an extra few months to go into production. So let's say it was finised last summer. Now, Zen is a brand new architecture that is releasing in the upcoming months. Zen-based APUs are releasing late this year, if at all. All of this was happening while they were still working getting their actual first Zen CPU out the door. There is no way a big SoC with a completely different memory controller, huge-ass GPU (relatively speaking) and said brand new architecture is happening this year.
ethomaz
Banned
You mean Zen? Because the GPU will have Vega features but not all.
See, it's dumb shit like this here that propagates the problem and stifles discussion. Some people are just too invested in their console being 'top dog' that any evidence to the contrary will just fall on deaf ears.
anothertech
Member
It's Matt bro. Or do you have insider knowledge that says otherwise?
Dee Dah Dave
Member
It will have a beefed up Jaguar with the 32MB eSRAM providing a healthy amount of dedicated fast cache. That's my wild theory, which is much more sane than using Zen. IMO
ethomaz
Banned
With 320GB/s GDDR5X the eSRAM cache is useless... to be fair is it even slower than RAM... unless maybe eDRAM at 1TB/s.
Matt also said the Scorpio wouldn't be much more powerful than the PS4Pro...
Stay hyped, you believer.
Only time will tell...
I did. All these code names flying around.
Fortuneelsewhere
Member
Why dumb shit? The man can't have his opinion? By the way what "evidence" was brought here stating the contrary?
Can Crusher
Banned
I understand, if not this then what else to be hyped about?
There it is! Perhaps this time all the baseless speculations and unrealistic hopes and dreams will stop...... Who am I kidding? This happens every time with every new console launch, only for many people to get disappointed.
As a point of fact, no I didn't.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
Not necessarily. It may be needed for ease of compatibility with current XB1 games, plus the 360 emulator etc.
Then in 'Scorpio mode' the whole 32MB of eSRAM is dedicated to the CPU, not the GPU. Which in turn gets most of the GDDR5 bandwidth to itself.
That's 109+ GB/s for the CPU alone, far more than the XB1 has right now. And also frees up more bandwidth for the GPU.
Genius design!
Depends on what you consider "much more powerful" but, do the math on the tf numbers as ratios...
PS4:Xbone and Scorpio
S4ProYou might be surprised at what you find...
Samurai G0SU
Member
I thought matt only knew insider stuff on the sony camp more specificall? No?
Can Crusher
Banned
As far S numbers go, the dif between xbox one and ps4 seems the same as pro and scorpio. Instead of 1080p its 4k.
No he is a dev that works with both platforms is all we know iirc.
And Switch will be Pascal.
The PS4, Xbox One, Xbox One S and PS4 Pro already use 2 clusters of 4 Jaguar cores each, 8 cores in total.
I don't think doubling that again would be feasible, practical or useful.
All we know about Scorpio at this point is it will have 8 CPU cores, a 6TF GPU and 320 GB/sec bandwidth.
You can find examples on this very page. Come on.
Lisa Su's statement gets hand-waved away and people are reaching at straws trying to dismiss it. Just like Matt's comment on the CPU power will likely get ignored in lieu of dreams of the Scorpio being all-powerful.
I mean. I get it. People want the most powerful package they can get with the latest tech. But they fail to realize that it's not them behind the wheel of this massive company trying to make profit on console hardware in a few months. There's so much more at play than just a GFLOP count and market realities often lead to necessary compromises in the console's hardware design. It's inevitable. Power really isn't the only concern, yet it is the only thing people go nuts for in threads like these.
It HAS to be powerful and have the newest tech, and anything saying otherwise will just get ignored. Don't you see how weird that kind of behaviour is?
Nah, that's that homie GopherD.
hanspampel
Banned
this guy get's it
usual investor call talk
"Well, I think, if you look today at the semi-custom business, it's been primarily game console driven. And it's been again very, very pleased with the franchise that we've built around that. We do have engagements outside of game consoles, and that will ramp, let's call it, more in the 2018 timeframe. The other thing you should expect is I talked about our Zen roadmap for our products, so in terms of desktops servers and notebooks. But one should expect Zen in our semi-custom roadmap as well as we go – as we look beyond 2017 into the '18, '19 timeframe. And so, we really do view this as we're developing foundational IP that can go into a number of different markets. And we have good prospects in those areas"
it's totally possible, that she is talking about pure Zen CPU semi custom Chips for non gaming purpose. it's just way to vague and unspecific to make "scorpio will have -" or "scorpio won't have zen technology in its semi custom soc" out of that
that is at least my point of view on this matter
Ryzen is not power hungry. Ryzen is power efficient. you just don't clock a console version at 3.5ghz or above. Zen is the new AMD architecture for everything. from Ultra low power to server products...
diesize is the question and biggest concern.
no sure if serious, but not
jaguar is a slow ancient cpu technology that is just bad no matter how you scale it
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