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Silent Hill HD Collection: New Screens/Video

Lime said:
Ehm, your video just corroborates my claim that the PC version of SH3 is the one to play if you want to play it as originally intended. The video you posted has severe issues, because emulating SH3 through PCSX2 is not as stable as the regular PC versions.

As seen in your video, the colour filter is all blue and the framerate is atrociously low. I could imagine you run into a lot more bugs and artefacts in the game as you go along. Additionally, you do not get the chance to properly change the FOV and avoid the usual stretched 4:3 image seen in PS2 games.
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No, your claim was that the PS2 versions couldn't be played in HD, which is not the case. The description in that video states that it was recorded a long time ago, plus the video was recorded with FRAPS which tends to hurt performance, plus we don't know what that guy's specs are, so it's possible that by now the game can be played all the way through with no issues on a powerful enough PC using the latest PCSX2 revision.
 
Why didn't they add SH 4? I know it wasn't very popular but it's still worth playing through for fans of the series and Capcom added freaking DMC 2 to their collection so...
 
TheExodu5 said:
SH3 may look better on PC, but it controls like shit.
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Use a controller.

nincompoop said:
No, your claim was that the PS2 versions couldn't be played in HD, which is not the case. The description in that video states that it was recorded a long time ago, plus the video was recorded with FRAPS which tends to hurt performance, plus we don't know what that guy's specs are, so it's possible that by now the game can be played all the way through with no issues on a powerful enough PC using the latest PCSX2 revision.
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If one owns a PC that is able to emulate SH2 or SH3 through PCSX2, the machine in question is more than capable to play the more stable PC versions with a lot less bugs and artefacts than an emulated ones.

Additionally, given the qualitative difference between the PC port and a PC-emulated PS2 version, I assumed the poster asking the original question of how to play the SH3 in its original form in HD was not going to play the game on a PC - therefore, my original clarification of which HD version of SH3 he or she would be able to play.
 
These half assed HD collections irritate me do bad :(. Something that be should so simple to do just gets thrown together
 
Lime said:
Use a controller.



If one owns a PC that is able to emulate SH2 or SH3 through PCSX2, the machine in question is more than capable to play the more stable PC versions with a lot less bugs and artefacts than an emulated ones.

Additionally, given the qualitative difference between the PC port and a PC-emulated PS2 version, I assumed the poster asking the original question of how to play the SH3 in its original form in HD was not going to play the game on a PC - therefore, my original clarification of which HD version of SH3 he or she would be able to play.
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The PC version of Silent Hill 3 is mad expensive though, and it was already mentioned that SH2 was missing some effects from the PS2 version. Either way, both options are better than playing the half-assed HD port. Your last point isn't exactly in line with what you originally posted:
SH2: HD Collection with old sound track or the PC version
SH3: PC version.
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NIGHT- said:
These half assed HD collections irritate me do bad :(. Something that be should so simple to do just gets thrown together
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Well, we don't really know the deal with the source code for these games and how readily available it is. Perhaps obtaining the original code for Silent Hill 2 isn't as easy as we're thinking?

Okami on the Wii was developed with very little (if any) of the original code which is why the game ended up looking so different as the team had to rebuild everything from scratch.

Basically, the challenge of porting one of these games to a new platform probably varies quite heavily in terms of difficulty. Bluepoint seems to have a great track record but most other developers are not on the same level. When you're dealing with games like SH2 and 3 which really pushed the PS2 and have to put up with a missing code base you're probably looking at a serious challenge.

I'm sure it was simply a whole lot easier taking native PC code and adapting it to consoles. It's clear that this collection is based off of the PC version.

One of the more telling things will be its pre-rendered cinemas. The PS2 version of SH2 used 60 fps CG sequences while all other ports used heavily compressed 30 fps clips instead. If this collection only uses 30 fps videos then it suggests to me that they never bothered to look at the PS2 version at all.

The PC version also featured hard (instead of soft) shadows and a massive reduction in fog particles, among other things.
 
This HD collection isn't even half-assed. Quarter-assed at best.

Silent Hill 1: completely missing
Silent Hill 2: only "complete" version
Silent Hill 3: missing original voice-over
Silent Hill 4: completely missing

Bunch of other SH games that could have been in there as well: completely missing.

They should have just called it Silent Hill 2 & 3 HD.
 
nincompoop said:
The PC version of Silent Hill 3 is mad expensive though, and it was already mentioned that SH2 was missing some effects from the PS2 version. Either way, both options are better than playing the half-assed HD port. Your last point isn't exactly in line with what you originally posted:
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I got a SH3 copy for 40 bucks, but you are correct that it is a real hassle to obtain the PC version game legally these days.

And to clarify: I imagined the conclusion leading from my original post would be self-explanatory: that the original poster had no choice but to play the PC version if he or she wanted to play in HD in its original form. My original post went like this:

1. Person X wants to play Silent Hill 3 in its original form and in HD. How do I achieve this?
2. The PS2 version is not in HD
3. The HD collection is not in its original form
4. The PC version is in HD and in its original form (my original post you quoted)
5. Therefore, Person X would be able to infer that in order to play SH3 in HD and in its original form, he or she were relegated to playing the PC version.
Addendum: You are correct that it is possible to emulate the PS2 version through a powerful PC, but that entails a different argument and explanation, which we already went through.

I know the above is nitpicking, but I just enjoy clarifying :)
 
Backfoggen said:
This HD collection isn't even half-assed. Quarter-assed at best.

Silent Hill 1: completely missing
Silent Hill 2: only "complete" version
Silent Hill 3: missing original voice-over
Silent Hill 4: completely missing

Bunch of other SH games that could have been in there as well: completely missing.

They should have just called it Silent Hill 2 & 3 HD.
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very strange that they didn't include SH4 and a voucher for SH1 on PSN. Now that is an honest to goodness 'collection'.

I mean, I could see another collection coming out down the line with SH:Origins and SH:Shattered Memories, but tossing SH4 in there is just awkward to me.

Other than Kojima Pro and Castlevania:LOS, Konami has just been shockingly bad this generation. Piss poor decisions across the board.
 
Ok, Having never played a SH game before, do I need to start at 1 to get the benefit? how does it compare to RE? , in terms of controls, action, horror ?
 
jufonuk said:
Ok, Having never played a SH game before, do I need to start at 1 to get the benefit? how does it compare to RE? , in terms of controls, action, horror ?
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I would play all of them in order and avoid this collection, if I were you.

Play 1, 2, 3, then 4. The first one holds up very well to this day and is still terrifying.
 
Just play the second game. If you like it, keep going but know that nothing will ever be that good.

Compared to RE, the emphasis is less on combat and more on psychological story and creepiness.

The first game is cool until they start explaining stuff with the cult thing and then it gets kind of dumb. The second is great all the way, one or two dumb puzzles aside.
 
jufonuk said:
Ok, Having never played a SH game before, do I need to start at 1 to get the benefit? how does it compare to RE? , in terms of controls, action, horror ?
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If you plan on playing the whole series, and you want to be up on the series "lore", then start with 1. If you just want a great standalone experience play 2.

Similar tank controls to RE up through SH4 I believe. The horror is much more atmospheric and creepy, and has no attempt at the action that the RE series sometimes goes for.
 
jufonuk said:
Ok, Having never played a SH game before, do I need to start at 1 to get the benefit? how does it compare to RE? , in terms of controls, action, horror ?
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First three are great, play them. SH 4 and Shattered Memories are quite different, so you'd better let them rest for the time being. 0rigins is good too, but not a must-play game unless you really like SH 1-3. Homecoming is just shit and should be avoided.

Controls aren't too different from RE, but there's much less emphasis put on action and jump scares in SH.
 
dark10x said:
Honestly, the PC version of Silent Hill 2 isn't even that good. It has a lot of missing visual effects (though it seems this collection will too). The best experience remains on PS2 using an old CRT.
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TheExodu5 said:
SH3 may look better on PC, but it controls like shit.
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Seconding. I'd pick the original PS2 versions of both games over any other. The pc versions are based on the xbox ports, which mean slightly improved lighting but massively scaled back volumetric effects (fog), not to mention really awful video/sound compression on SH2 and terrible control options. The AQ on the PS2 games is absolutely unmatched and for a series that relies so much on it's audio (dat S-FORCE), I'll prioritize that over resolution. And yeah, the loss of 60fps fmv in every other version hurts a lot.

Hopefully soon the games will work accurately on PCSX2 and we'll get the best of all worlds.

Ostinatto said:
imagine MGS without otsuka akio's voice

YOU CANT CHANGE THE VA OF A CLASSIC GAME !!!!!!! :FUU:
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fixed. ;)

And yeah, it's really crazy. It doesn't matter if they think they can do a better job, or even if it is technically better (it's not). It's just not something you do, especially without the original team's input. If this were the film or music industry something like this just wouldn't fly. If developers and fans want this industry to be more accepted as a legitimate art form maybe we should start treating it's established classics with a little more respect ourselves before expecting it from anyone else.
 
Ito is disappoint.

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Lol. When a main artist of SH until 4 bags one of his contributions/doings, then you there's definitely something wrong with Konami.
 
One can hardly blame him for being upset. It's too bad this is looking so shitty - I'd really, really love to see these two fantastic games converted well.

I'm going to have to wait for reviews *and* thorough comparisons before buying this.
 
luka said:
Seconding. I'd pick the original PS2 versions of both games over any other. The pc versions are based on the xbox ports, which mean slightly improved lighting but massively scaled back volumetric effects (fog), not to mention really awful video/sound compression on SH2 and terrible control options. The AQ on the PS2 games is absolutely unmatched and for a series that relies so much on it's audio (dat S-FORCE), I'll prioritize that over resolution. And yeah, the loss of 60fps fmv in every other version hurts a lot.
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OK, I gotta ask: what Xbox version of SH3?
 
What is it with whitey and SH games? It's like every time we try to do something with that series, the only knowledge we have of it was that some bro told us about it at a frat party and we're basing everything on that.
 
PepsimanVsJoe said:
It's like the people behind this collection are completely missing the point.
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All this collection thing hasn't gone as well as i hoped, tbh.
I mean almost every HD collection seems to have issues, missing effects and other shit.
And here i was, assuming they would've ported these games in 1080p at 60fps, lol.
 
ScOULaris said:
Are you looking at them backwards? The PS2 shot has way more detail, despite the lower resolution.
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It doesn't make it better. Those damaged roads don't add much to the scene, and I like the new dark-grey look, I think of it like how James' mind is darkened . Far more opressive. Also, like how the trees don't look horrible this time. IDK, I dig it, and I love SH2.
 
I mean okay the MGS HD collection had some missing effects, but more than made up for it with tighter visuals and smoother frame-rates for 3 & PW.

Really I have no idea what's going on here at all. The newer versions look worse, a ton of the art-direction and atmosphere is lost in the shots, it's really just damned trash.
 
Ahasverus said:
Man, Nostalgia can be very decieving. The new shot is soo much better.
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I hope you're kidding... the new shot is omitting ALL the detail from the original. The environment is clean and sterile in the new shot, whereas in the original you can tell the town has seen better days as everything is literally falling apart.

It's supposed to be a mildly disturbing preview of things to come. The new shot as lost all of that.
 
I'm going to go out on a limb and say they likely made it that dark because they didn't bother replacing the jpg of the shoreline back there, haha.
 
OH kotaku screens

I like my HDTV & the simplicity of one console, so I won't be setting up a CRT just to play a couple of PS2 era games. I'm going to pick this up. I find it hard to believe it's going to look that shitty in real life. People bitched and moaned about RE4 HD & MGS Collection HD & I thought they were fantastic.
 
Quikies83 said:
This reminds me that I need to go ahead and preorder.
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I'm bummed they weren't going to do any kind of specials with it, but that's a better alternative than a ton of things from different retailers, I suppose. Not that this release would ever get that kind of attention, but yeah.
 
The texture of the shoreline behind seems different, but i think that was necessary to adapt it to the new aspect ratio, you can't stretch a 2d image, after all.
 
Konami just continue to annoy me these days. They've gone down hill on a landslide this gen. Them and Square, both need new management.
 
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