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[Krowley]

For the wii, were it ends up in the console race will determine whether it's a worthy system or not.

If it's first or even second or even if it's a very close third, it will get plenty of support... If it ends up a distant third, like gamecube, then it will be a machine for nintendo gamers. This will all play out over the next two years... If it's leading in japan after two years and close in the other markets, it's probably gonna mantain whatever market share it has by then.

That's why everybody who has a wii should root for the non gamers and casuals to buy the system... They're the ones who could eventually grow the userbase big enough to make the machine a huge success. A larger user base results in more cool games for everybody, regardless of the demographics. The DS is proof of that.

I'm buying one, and i'm personaly hoping for tons of brain training/nintendogs type games because i want to own a successful system, simply because success = support.

 

[Amir0x]

I think maybe the concept of video games is entrenched in pop culture, but I think the ipod (even though it hasnt sold as much) is a product thats much more mainstream and accessible in the eyes of consumers.

that's such an odd thing to try to rate the success of something on, though (in terms of "being mainstream"). If it's more accessible and mainstream in the eyes of consumers, then wouldn't those consumers try to, er, access the product? I mean by there being 100,000,000 PS2 owners out there, doesn't that mean something clicked to make the consumers actually purchase the product on a grander and more... mainstream... scale?

This is just a really unique position to me. I'm not sure you're wrong, it's just if I accept your argument I think it's impossible to EVER have a system that can be universally agreed as mainstream.

I mean most of us think of DS as a phenomenon in Japan, very much mainstream but... is it because of the media perception of the product, or because of the numbers it sells on the market? A combination of both? Because PS2 for a while WAS a combination of both, so I don't know!

 

[ORANGUTAN]

it disgusts me

everything about it just reeks of Nintendo... i feel ill thinking about it

 

[Prine]

Zelda and Mario galaxy make the system worth it, i just hope nintendo dont spiral out of control and churn out mini-games and non-games

 

[Brandon F]

I love it so far, but the new console smell may be tricking me.

 

[Idioteque]

After playing it, I still don't really like the controller.

It isn't anymore fun than playing with a normal controller.

 

[ORANGUTAN]

Zelda and Mario galaxy make the system worth it, i just hope nintendo dont spiral out of control and churn out mini-games and non-games

Zelda is a Gamecube title

if it were released last year like it was supposed to, the Wii would fail... sell worse than the cube

what else is there on this system? mario galaxy and what? it's got the worst upcoming line-up i've ever seen for a major console

 

[medrew]

what else is there on this system? mario galaxy and what? it's got the worst upcoming line-up i've ever seen for a major console

please get off your pedestal.... i can't stand elitist game buffs

 

[Pureauthor]

Zelda is a Gamecube title

if it were released last year like it was supposed to, the Wii would fail... sell worse than the cube

what else is there on this system? mario galaxy and what? it's got the worst upcoming line-up i've ever seen for a major console

Well, going off first party titles coming out by end of next year that are more or less guaranteed to be stellar:

Metroid Prime 3
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Smash Brothers Brawl
Super Paper Mario
Warioware: Smooth Moves
Fire Emblem: Goddess of Dawn

Not exactly phenomenal, but it's a start.

 

[travisbickle]

It isn't anymore fun than playing with a normal controller.

:O

 

[AniHawk]

Hi, I'm a moron.

Hello.

 

[ORANGUTAN]

please get off your pedestal.... i can't stand elitist game buffs

i see what you did there

anyone like to respond to that question? what else is there besides mario galaxy next year? compare that to the ps3 and 360's line-up

360:
lost planet
bioshock
halo 3
mass effect
crackdown
blue dragon
forza 2
banjo (?)
halo wars (?)
alan wake
lots more i forget

ps3:
heavenly sword
dmc4
jungle game
mgs4
lots more i forget

multi platform:
azn creed
gta 4
graw 2
the darkness
lots more i forget

nintendo wii:
mario galaxy
????
profit

 

[beelzebozo]

topics like this crack me up.
for the past week there's been a new thread every couple of days that expresses some kind of shock that generally people seem to be enjoying the system, and it actually seems to be working.

 

[AniHawk]

i see what you did there

anyone like to respond to that question? what else is there besides mario galaxy next year? compare that to the ps3 and 360's line-up

360:
lost planet
bioshock
halo 3
mass effect
crackdown
blue dragon
forza 2
banjo (?)
halo wars (?)
alan wake
lots more i forget

ps3:
heavenly sword
dmc4
jungle game
mgs4
lots more i forget

multi platform:
azn creed
gta 4
graw 2
the darkness
lots more i forget

nintendo wii:
mario galaxy
????
profit

Yeah, who could forget jungle game or the lots more you forget.

oh, afrika. i think that's a ps3 game. that looks aces. because it's on the ps3.

 

[ORANGUTAN]

Well, going off first party titles coming out by end of next year that are more or less guaranteed to be stellar:

Metroid Prime 3
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Smash Brothers Brawl
Super Paper Mario
Warioware: Smooth Moves
Fire Emblem: Goddess of Dawn

Not exactly phenomenal, but it's a start.

i'm sorry but that paper-thin line-up looks awful

and isnt smash bros going to be better with a regular gamepad?

warioware? super paper mario? come on man...seriously

look at the list i typed up above for 360/ps3... and that's probably like 2/3 of what it is

 

[Xdrive05]

Zelda is a Gamecube title

if it were released last year like it was supposed to, the Wii would fail... sell worse than the cube

what else is there on this system? mario galaxy and what? it's got the worst upcoming line-up i've ever seen for a major console

First of all, no. Second of all, if Zelda were released a year ago it would have been worse than it is now. Probably a lot worse.

Spoiler

Didn't you get the memo?

 

[beelzebozo]

i'm sorry but that paper-thin line-up looks awful

and isnt smash bros going to be better with a regular gamepad?

warioware? super paper mario? come on man...seriously

look at the list i typed up above for 360/ps3... and that's probably like 2/3 of what it is

but 'jungle game' and 'lots more i forget' are supposed to convince everyone that you know your stuff?
please.

go somewhere else.

 

[Ninja Dom]

i'm sorry but that paper-thin line-up looks awful

and isnt smash bros going to be better with a regular gamepad?

warioware? super paper mario? come on man...seriously

look at the list i typed up above for 360/ps3... and that's probably like 2/3 of what it is

Sounds like you don't like Nintendo games.

Could this be true?

 

[Amir0x]

i'm sorry but that paper-thin line-up looks awful

and isnt smash bros going to be better with a regular gamepad?

warioware? super paper mario? come on man...seriously

look at the list i typed up above for 360/ps3... and that's probably like 2/3 of what it is

As always, Wii is for people who like Nintendo games and Nintendo games only. If you don't like Nintendo games, any of them, you're probably not gonna get a dime for your mileage.

 

[Krowley]

i see what you did there

anyone like to respond to that question? what else is there besides mario galaxy next year? compare that to the ps3 and 360's line-up

360:
lost planet
bioshock
halo 3
mass effect
crackdown
blue dragon
forza 2
banjo (?)
halo wars (?)
alan wake
lots more i forget

ps3:
heavenly sword
dmc4
jungle game
mgs4
lots more i forget

multi platform:
azn creed
gta 4
graw 2
the darkness
lots more i forget

nintendo wii:
mario galaxy
????
profit

Metroid prime 3
Smash brothers
Super paper mario
Fire Emblem
wario ware
Mario galaxy
Project hammer


3rd party
FF chrystal Chronicles (with online play)
Tecmo Golf game (forgot the name, but it's getting good buzz)
Forever Blue (graphicly impressive)
Sims Wii (exclusive version, totally unique)
Exclusive sonic game, getting good buzz
Resident evil umbrella chronicles

The supports not bad right now... You just can't spin it as being bad. And you have to know it's actually better than i've mentioned since lots of company's really started shifting resources to it during E3.

 

[Fallout-NL]

Sounds like you don't like Nintendo games.

Could this be true?

Oh heavens, whatever will we do?

 

[medrew]

Who cares, we're getting a new Fire Emblem. But I guess Jungle (non)Game is more important. It'll be like postcards of back home, I guess.

 

[AniHawk]

and Nintendo games only.

I know what you're trying to say, but

...no.

 

[Pureauthor]

i'm sorry but that paper-thin line-up looks awful

and isnt smash bros going to be better with a regular gamepad?

warioware? super paper mario? come on man...seriously

look at the list i typed up above for 360/ps3... and that's probably like 2/3 of what it is

a) What does Smash Bros. being better on a regular gamepad have to do with anything?

b) If you dislike Warioware AND Super Paper Mario, please establish contact between your head and a nearby pillar at a velocity of not less than 20 miles per hour. Thank you.

c) I have no interest in how many good games are coming out for the PS3 and X360. They have more? Swell. But saying the Wii doesn't have good games coming out for it is just wrong.

 

[medrew]

Yes, I can't stand Nintendo... well, not really Nintendo the company, but rather the "Ntard" mentality

I hope Wii bombs and I'm not afraid to admit it. It's the wrong direction for the industry

I don't want to play games that look like they belong on PS2 and Xbox for the next 5 years... let alone by waving a remote in the air. If by some miracle, the Wii becomes market leader (or even close), Sony and MS will have no choice but to implement a similar gimmick control method for their next consoles.

I'm not afraid to admit my bias at all. In my opinion, waggle is a gimmick that's not even done right and Matt Cassamassina just confirmed it for us. Die Nintendo, just die...

/

 

[Fallout-NL]

I know what you're trying to say, but

...no.

Looking at the previous Nintendo console, I think this might turn out to be true in the end. There are no 3rd party titles that look even remotely interesting atm. And I think we can agree that you'd be better off on the other platforms when it comes to multiplatform games.

 

[Tim the Wiz]

i'm sorry but that paper-thin line-up looks awful

and isnt smash bros going to be better with a regular gamepad?

warioware? super paper mario? come on man...seriously

look at the list i typed up above for 360/ps3... and that's probably like 2/3 of what it is

Wow.

This thread is like a bright light to bugs, a piece of shit to flies, and Jessica Alba to all men, regardless of sexual orientation all wrapped into one for, well, those people... It's almost saying invariably, come hither to me, come hither and speak your denounement, speak it...

 

[Jake.]

multi platform:
azn creed

sounds interesting.

 

[Xdrive05]

/

Everything just became so... clear!

 

[MadOdorMachine]

I played with Wii yesterday at my cousins house. I tried out Wii Sports and Zelda. Wii Sports was fun for a few minutes, but it would get old very quickly. There's not much depth in the games. It definitely needs to be free. I would never pay money for that. It's about on the same level as Duck Hunt for NES I suppose. For Zelda, I only tried it out for a few minutes. It was definitely awkward. You couldn't control the camera, so that aspect is taking a step back. Plus, I really didn't like swinging with the Wiimote for normal attacks. It felt like there was a delay. I did like the spin attack though. It's super easy to do now. I didn't try aiming with the boomerang or slingshot, so I can't comment on that. Pointing with the system is crazy though. I was laughing like a little girl when I first picked up the controller and saw the pointer moving on the screen. It seems like it has a lot of potential, but I think the Wii is starting off very much like the DS did. Where DS had Mario 64 as it's main launch title, Wii has Zelda. Neither one of the games were really made for the system. It's going to take it awhile to get some momentum.

 

[AniHawk]

Looking at the previous Nintendo console, I think this might turn out to be true in the end. There are no 3rd party titles that look even remotely interesting atm. And I think we can agree that you'd be better off on the other platforms when it comes to multiplatform games.

No no- that statement was aimed towards the PEOPLE who buy Nintendo systems. I enjoy Nintendo games, but I'll also get me some sweet KOTOR lovin' or indulge myself in Kamiya's latest disasterpiece.

 

[Fallout-NL]

a) What does Smash Bros. being better on a regular gamepad have to do with anything?

b) If you dislike Warioware AND Super Paper Mario, please establish contact between your head and a nearby pillar at a velocity of not less than 20 miles per hour. Thank you.

c) I have no interest in how many good games are coming out for the PS3 and X360. They have more? Swell. But saying the Wii doesn't have good games coming out for it is just wrong.

wth?

You have no interest in how many good games are coming out for PS3 and X360?

please establish contact between your head and a nearby pillar at a velocity of not less than 20 miles per hour. Thank you.

No no- that statement was aimed towards the PEOPLE who buy Nintendo systems. I enjoy Nintendo games, but I'll also get me some sweet KOTOR lovin' or indulge myself in Kamiya's latest disasterpiece.

Eh oh yeah, sorta misread what Amirox was implying there.

 

[Pureauthor]

wth?

You have no interest in how many good games are coming out for PS3 and X360?

Because it is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. It's 'the Wii is/is not having good games coming out for it next year', not 'I need more games on my system of choice to boost my ego'.

Of course I want to play those good games for the X360 and PS3. But that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

 

[Amir0x]

I know what you're trying to say, but

...no.

yeah i guess that Wii lineup definitely shows me


hahahahahahah sorry i couldn't say that with a straight force

No no- that statement was aimed towards the PEOPLE who buy Nintendo systems. I enjoy Nintendo games, but I'll also get me some sweet KOTOR lovin' or indulge myself in Kamiya's latest disasterpiece.

No, it was aimed at people who only buy Nintendo systems. Or who look for third party games on Nintendo systems to fill in the 'quality lineup' quota.

 

[[Nintex]]

*looks at list*

Xbox360
lost planet
bioshock
halo 3
mass effect
crackdown
blue dragon
forza 2
banjo (?)
halo wars (?)
alan wake

ps3:
heavenly sword
dmc4
jungle game
mgs4
lots more i forget

Since you have non microsoft titles on your 360 list i'll do the same:

Q1-Q2 2007
Big Brain Academy
Elebits
Swing Golf Pangya
Mario Galaxy
Metroid Prime 3 Corruption
Sonic and the Secret Rings
Warioware
WiiPlay
Mario Party 8
Pokemon Battle Revolution
WiiMusic
Project H.A.M.M.E.R.
Dragon Quest Swords

Q3-Q4 2007
Fire Emblem
Smash bros Brawl
Battalion Wars 2
Mario Strikers charged
WiiMotorsports
Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles
Disaster: Day of Crisis

--------

Altough Nintendo doesn't mind delay's i'll guess this is roughly the overall picture for 2007 not including Kirby, DK and Super Paper Mario. Now compare your list

These lists do not have the usual Ubisoft/EA/SEGA/Namco multiplatform titles included.
But the Wii has a bigger line-up then just "Super Mario Galaxy". Not every Wii game will be the second coming, but titles like Battalion Wars, and Strikers do close some important gaps in Nintendo's release list.

 

[beelzebozo]

wth?

You have no interest in how many good games are coming out for PS3 and X360?
Eh oh yeah, sorta misread what Amirox was implying there.

i think he was saying "as a matter of comparative analysis, i have no interest in how many great games those systems have; it's irrelevent to my interest in wii."

...correct me if i'm misinterpreting, pureauthor. just trying to help.

 

[VOOK]

Quick everyone get there lists of games!

 

[Laurent]

NEW AND EXCITING!

Late but still: :lol

The Nintendo Wii surpassed my expectations. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, even thought the graphics shown are dated when compared to the other consoles, is alot of fun. Still, I will be buying a PlayStation 3 for Metal Gear Solid 4, so I fall in both categories...

 

[AniHawk]

No, it was aimed at people who only buy Nintendo systems. Or who look for third party games on Nintendo systems to fill in the 'quality lineup' quota.

There aren't many of those people left.

Why did you respond to the initial post even though I had clarified what I meant later?

 

[Pureauthor]

No, it was aimed at people who only buy Nintendo systems. Or who look for third party games on Nintendo systems to fill in the 'quality lineup' quota.

And other systems costing 400 dollars at minimum have absolutely nothing to do with it.

I'm getting a Wii for Virtual Console, by the by.

 

[Amir0x]

There aren't many of those people left.

Why did you respond to the initial post even though I had clarified what I meant later?

i read it after i responded

And other systems costing 400 dollars at minimum have absolutely nothing to do with it.

I'm getting a Wii for Virtual Console, by the by.

Sure, money can be a motivation (it was partly mine, after all) - but whether that's the motivation or not you basically give up the vast majority of quality third party support. I'll thank Ubisoft for Red Steel sometime, though

 

[AniHawk]

Quick everyone get there lists of games!

Wonderswan Color > NGPC, and I'll show you why WITH LISTS.

i read it after i responded

So it was a stealth edit? You sneaky bastard. I would never do anything like that.

 

[Pureauthor]

Sure, money can be a motivation (it was partly mine, after all) - but whether that's the motivation or not you basically give up the vast majority of quality third party support. I'll thank Ubisoft for Red Steel sometime, though

Based on impressions I've seen, 'quality 3rd party' and Red Steel don't seem to go together so well.

I thought you believe the Wii's going to come out on top in the end? Wouldn't that dictate 3rd parties (with common sense, anyway) shifting support to the Wii sooner or later?

 

[Amir0x]

Based on impressions I've seen, 'quality 3rd party' and Red Steel don't seem to go together so well.

I thought you believe the Wii's going to come out on top in the end? Wouldn't that dictate 3rd parties (with common sense, anyway) shifting support to the Wii sooner or later?

oh I believe Wii will come out on top. But DS came out on top too and...well...it's genuinely the first times I've ever seen a system with the majority of third party support NOT be my favorite. It's just not for me, I guess. I reckon Wii will end up the same, outside of those stellar Nintendo titles that just get right on the money... the Zelda's and Mario's of the world.

 

[Shard]

oh I believe Wii will come out on top. But DS came out on top too and...well...it's genuinely the first times I've ever seen a system with the majority of third party support NOT be my favorite. It's just not for me, I guess. I reckon Wii will end up the same, outside of those stellar Nintendo titles that just get right on the money... the Zelda's and Mario's of the world.

And anything designed by Intelligent System.

 

[Amir0x]

And anything designed by Intelligent System.

Of course!

 

[AniHawk]

oh I believe Wii will come out on top.

I know what you're trying to say, but

...no.

 

[Shard]

Of course!

Well, there has to be a reason or two for you to endure something you hate so much.

 

[Amir0x]

i think the near endless ****-ups on their competitors part makes it so!

Well, there has to be a reason or two for you to endure something you hate so much.

I don't hate. See, I love old Nintendo. NEW Nintendo is just really... well they always find a way to mess things up! I want old Nintendo to come back. Pikmin 2 and Zelda:TP - this is old Nintendo.

 

[Shard]

i think the near endless ****-ups on their competitors part makes it so!



I don't hate. See, I love old Nintendo. NEW Nintendo is just really... well they always find a way to mess things up! I want old Nintendo to come back. Pikmin 2 and Zelda:TP - this is old Nintendo.

Well that and the competition costing an arm, a leg and some other body parts to afford.

Also, you like Hardcore Nintendo and want casual Nintendo to die, something I do not want to happen.