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So is there anyone that DOESN'T like the Wii?
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Magicpaint
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drohne said:
And yet you're constantly trolling Wii related threads? I'd imagine those not even remotely interested would stay away from anything related to the console.
civilstrife
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drohne said:
You are a stupid. lol!
My GS manager was going to call me up next batch they receive... I recently got a chance though to play it at my friend's house, though... and came away with a couple impressions... after playing Wii sports, everything outside of Tenis is very imprecise and frustrating... yes, this is after I took it upon myself to calibrate the mote as well... Golf, I'm on steroids it seems, and I dont hold a golf club directly straight down at the floor outside of a putter... boxing is everywhere as well...
Red Steel - First time I agree wholeheartedly with reviews in a while... I can't believe Ubi got away releasing this... they've pulled off a spectacular fraud to quality control... the screen twitches the opposite direction a lot when you want to go the other way, sword fights are wonky, but aiming is alright... I won't get into voice acting nor story, nor graphics on this...
Rayman - Disco bunnies thing was cute... the carrot juice thing, no self-pleasuring that night if I wanted to, I was spent... :lol The rest was blah though...
Zelda - It's what to buy the Wii for if you don't have a GC I guess... it's outstanding!
He had TC, but didn't feel like playing it, wanted to argue about the DL's on Live instead... he's a hardcore xbox fan... but, even he has to admit the PS3 is the superior machine at the moment on the market (not game wise, but capability/potential wise), March is going to be a great month...
I'm holding off on a Wii now until down the road when there's real-games for it... the mini-games thing, I see what they're trying to do with that, non-gamers attraction stuff, but not for me... The Wiimote isn't as precise as I thought it would be either... but eh, what can you do...
The Wii seems quite a bit overrated to me, and I think it's going to look wayyy long in the tooth before long... it's disgusting to look at right now on a HDTV as well...
It'll be my choice 3rd console, and 5th gaming device configuring in DS and PSP as there's games I'd rather pick up on them, as of now... maybe something better will come along in a lil...
Red Steel - First time I agree wholeheartedly with reviews in a while... I can't believe Ubi got away releasing this... they've pulled off a spectacular fraud to quality control... the screen twitches the opposite direction a lot when you want to go the other way, sword fights are wonky, but aiming is alright... I won't get into voice acting nor story, nor graphics on this...
Rayman - Disco bunnies thing was cute... the carrot juice thing, no self-pleasuring that night if I wanted to, I was spent... :lol The rest was blah though...
Zelda - It's what to buy the Wii for if you don't have a GC I guess... it's outstanding!
He had TC, but didn't feel like playing it, wanted to argue about the DL's on Live instead... he's a hardcore xbox fan... but, even he has to admit the PS3 is the superior machine at the moment on the market (not game wise, but capability/potential wise), March is going to be a great month...
I'm holding off on a Wii now until down the road when there's real-games for it... the mini-games thing, I see what they're trying to do with that, non-gamers attraction stuff, but not for me... The Wiimote isn't as precise as I thought it would be either... but eh, what can you do...
The Wii seems quite a bit overrated to me, and I think it's going to look wayyy long in the tooth before long... it's disgusting to look at right now on a HDTV as well...
It'll be my choice 3rd console, and 5th gaming device configuring in DS and PSP as there's games I'd rather pick up on them, as of now... maybe something better will come along in a lil...
Zer0 said:the problem with americans is a lot of the habitants still thinks outside the us are like the borat movie
i hope they never go outside of their country to visit more avanced countries like sweden,norway,and europe in general XD
Yeah, I know that, besides, trying to reason with fanboys is worthless.
scissorfight
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absolutely no interest in waggle
i wish the games would have 2 control schemes...waggle or standard controller
i wish the games would have 2 control schemes...waggle or standard controller
AniHawk said:
Are you enjoying the console? Great. Maybe I overreacted saying wasted
You have to accept that there is people (me, for example) that DO NOT hate the system, it's only that there's nothing that they (I) want to play now in that system, they will (I'll) wait for more games (Metroid Prime 3: Corruption), and play Zelda in their (my) GCN.
I really like the Wii.
But only because I have a 360. I would say the same thing for PS3 right now.
The 360 is the staple of my gaming. It's where I play with friends basically every night.
Wii is Zelda, and a bit of fun when friends are over (at least the first time, not sure it will work again with my non-gamer friends... they "loved it" for about 30 minutes
).
PS3 just to complete the trifecta. Having some fun with Resistence, but it's no Gears. I hate to be too honest, but PS3 right now feels more about "future potential".
Another way to put this I guess, if I had no 360 right now, I would not be nearly as happy.
But only because I have a 360. I would say the same thing for PS3 right now.
The 360 is the staple of my gaming. It's where I play with friends basically every night.
Wii is Zelda, and a bit of fun when friends are over (at least the first time, not sure it will work again with my non-gamer friends... they "loved it" for about 30 minutes
).PS3 just to complete the trifecta. Having some fun with Resistence, but it's no Gears. I hate to be too honest, but PS3 right now feels more about "future potential".
Another way to put this I guess, if I had no 360 right now, I would not be nearly as happy.
Wolves Evolve
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JoDark, Good post. I think that beyond the stupid Wii60 photoshops, there is merit to evolving beyond the console fanboyism that says I must put down the console I don't own and buff up the one I do. Its definitely something that's out of reach for a lot of people, though. As would be free time to post in GAF.
(and since this is turning into yet another "post your bitch about the Wii" thread.)
Games: The part of my gaming history that needs good game design is really excited about the Wii, but I am very wary of the fact that 2007 looks anemic, and 5 of the 9 games I really want are direct sequels to games I've already played that have no compelling reason to hold the Wiimote. I would have liked to have seen something of Nintendogs Wii, Brain Training, by now, at least a couple more developments in the adventure genre. To look at my wallet and think "its time for a new console, what's coming out for it?" and to look ahead and to see things you've already played, and your favourite series of games, Dynasty Warriors, represented so nastily, isn't encouraging.
I am also sore about the fact that the old games haven't been updated; I'd pay 20 dollars for a remixed, oddly-drawn Mario with Wiimote fun, even if it was still essentially Mario. (Also; where is my Cobra Triangle?)
I'll be very annoyed if the big announcement for next year is Kingdom Hearts Wii.
Hey, Nintendo: How about the fact that your controller allows things like, oh, I dunno, classic RTS gameplay to be really fun? You have millions of gamefans wanting to be challenged by something with depth. And no, 2 or 3 games a year isn't it.
Graphics-Wise: I'm excited by what I've played and seen of Zelda and frankly, you're all taking crazy pills because Wii Sports is gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous. It reminds me of the superlative Super Soccer and Super Tennis; their charm and energy defined the SNES as much as Mario did in the early months and set the standard. The fact that every tech-savvy person knows Resistance looks better than Wii Sports does not make up for the fact that Wii Sports is appealing to people and Resistance is appealing to nerds. That said, I'm disappointed here too. NOT in lack of horsepower, but in lack of creative design; they should be courting more non-standard design philosophy.
(and since this is turning into yet another "post your bitch about the Wii" thread.)
Games: The part of my gaming history that needs good game design is really excited about the Wii, but I am very wary of the fact that 2007 looks anemic, and 5 of the 9 games I really want are direct sequels to games I've already played that have no compelling reason to hold the Wiimote. I would have liked to have seen something of Nintendogs Wii, Brain Training, by now, at least a couple more developments in the adventure genre. To look at my wallet and think "its time for a new console, what's coming out for it?" and to look ahead and to see things you've already played, and your favourite series of games, Dynasty Warriors, represented so nastily, isn't encouraging.
I am also sore about the fact that the old games haven't been updated; I'd pay 20 dollars for a remixed, oddly-drawn Mario with Wiimote fun, even if it was still essentially Mario. (Also; where is my Cobra Triangle?)
I'll be very annoyed if the big announcement for next year is Kingdom Hearts Wii.
Hey, Nintendo: How about the fact that your controller allows things like, oh, I dunno, classic RTS gameplay to be really fun? You have millions of gamefans wanting to be challenged by something with depth. And no, 2 or 3 games a year isn't it.
Graphics-Wise: I'm excited by what I've played and seen of Zelda and frankly, you're all taking crazy pills because Wii Sports is gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous. It reminds me of the superlative Super Soccer and Super Tennis; their charm and energy defined the SNES as much as Mario did in the early months and set the standard. The fact that every tech-savvy person knows Resistance looks better than Wii Sports does not make up for the fact that Wii Sports is appealing to people and Resistance is appealing to nerds. That said, I'm disappointed here too. NOT in lack of horsepower, but in lack of creative design; they should be courting more non-standard design philosophy.
ferrarimanf355
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My only response to this thread is...
it's a matter of record that the wii sports games had no artists on their development teams. their visuals are sheerly utilitarian. i get a good laugh at nintendo fans who see wii sports as an aesthetic triumph -- game enthusiasts tend to produce humbug when they want to call games artistic, but the humbug rarely comes so pure.
Zer0 said:the problem with americans is a lot of the habitants still thinks outside the us are like the borat movie
i hope they never go outside of their country to visit more avanced countries like sweden,norway,and europe in general XD
Do you actually believe that? Do you HONESTLY believe that the majority of Americans think that the rest of the world lives in crappy little huts next to some feces infested river? I have no problem with Europe, hell, half of my family is from Cardiff, Dublin, and Lucca, but seriously...
And you can cut it when the "advanced country" bull. You're wrong, first of all, if you think that European countries are "more developed" than America. And you're not funny.
Wait, hold on. You're from Europe. Where the hell do you get off trolling in a Wii thread if you've never even played the damn thing?
Wolves Evolve
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Drohne, that is reductive. Utilitarian production and development end up with objects which nevertheless possess aesthetic merit, in this case - Wii Sports is charming. Design is not merely a job; it is an attribute we can apply given a sense of aesthetics.
Riddle me this; will you ever see people impressed and charmed by the graphics of Resistance? And Wii Sports? To call one a Sony fan and the other a Nintendo fan is to presume the world works like GAF. It doesn't. Resistance's imagery is a massive, collossal turn -off for millions of people who find alien-invasion narratives and cynical weapon porn to be, if you like, utilitarian. Utilitarian because they exist to titillate an already pre-existing aesthetic genre with little to no variation in design or art. Just as millions of people will be turned off by the simplistic, bobble-headed idiocy of Wii Sports that produces a virtual world no more convincing than a pile of Duplo blocks.
Riddle me this; will you ever see people impressed and charmed by the graphics of Resistance? And Wii Sports? To call one a Sony fan and the other a Nintendo fan is to presume the world works like GAF. It doesn't. Resistance's imagery is a massive, collossal turn -off for millions of people who find alien-invasion narratives and cynical weapon porn to be, if you like, utilitarian. Utilitarian because they exist to titillate an already pre-existing aesthetic genre with little to no variation in design or art. Just as millions of people will be turned off by the simplistic, bobble-headed idiocy of Wii Sports that produces a virtual world no more convincing than a pile of Duplo blocks.
sometimes reductions are necessary. look: you've probably thought more about wii sports' aesthetic than anyone at nintendo has. can utilitarian design produce beautiful objects? i'd like to say "no," but i've got a telecaster fetish, and telecasters are ugly blocks of wood that haven't changed in 60 years.
Wolves Evolve
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I'm just angry at the Wii because they've held back Zelda for the GC and bumped Super Paper Mario to help the console.
I hope it gets great games.
I hope it gets great games.
I don't dislike it because I have no doubt it will eventually host some supremely good exclusive games, but I have absolutely no interest in getting one on Aussie launch. The one game I'd get I'll be getting on the Gamecube instead. Everything else = meh for me. Roll on Metroid and Mario.
I think the worse kind of gamers are the ones who put graphics above gameplay. Some of the games I've had the most fun with and have spent the most amount of time on have had awful graphics. WWF No Mercy, GTA 3, Katamari Damacy, Guitar Hero, BRAIN AGE (yes that's right) and even classics like Super Mario Bros 1 and Mike Tyson's Punch-Out. Of course, the list goes on and on but graphics mean shit when it comes to games.
Games that rely on graphics are impressive initially but if the gameplay isn't that great, they become a repetitive mess and are easily forgetten after a couple of years when newer games with more shadder abilities are come out. In fact, I think artistic merit far surpasses technical merit. A game like Metroid Prime has very good artistic direction. There's no bump mapping, lighting effects are minimal and some textures are a bit blurry but because the game strives in artistic direction, if you go back and play it now, 4 years later, it still looks incredible. However, other games that came out around the same time and relied on technical stuff like bump mapping, bloom effect or whatever and have little to no art direction haven't aged as well.
I'm not saying that it's impossible for a game to have solid gameplay, good art direction and good technical effect (see Resident Ebil 4) but games like that are very rare. What would you rather play: a with so-so graphics and great fun gameplay or a game with amazing graphics and so-so gameplay?
Games that rely on graphics are impressive initially but if the gameplay isn't that great, they become a repetitive mess and are easily forgetten after a couple of years when newer games with more shadder abilities are come out. In fact, I think artistic merit far surpasses technical merit. A game like Metroid Prime has very good artistic direction. There's no bump mapping, lighting effects are minimal and some textures are a bit blurry but because the game strives in artistic direction, if you go back and play it now, 4 years later, it still looks incredible. However, other games that came out around the same time and relied on technical stuff like bump mapping, bloom effect or whatever and have little to no art direction haven't aged as well.
I'm not saying that it's impossible for a game to have solid gameplay, good art direction and good technical effect (see Resident Ebil 4) but games like that are very rare. What would you rather play: a with so-so graphics and great fun gameplay or a game with amazing graphics and so-so gameplay?
Fallout-NL
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the crystal ball is still far too murky to determine if Wii is going to be a good 5-year investment. as mentioned, the 2007 lineup is kinda meh... and the number of games that justify the controller is still puny.
i *assume* that Nintendo is still holding some 2007 cards close to its chest because the release schedule so far doesn't really fill me with confidence.
so far... i only really want Wii sports - but not for $300.
i find it amusing that Nintendo says they plan on keeping the hardcore satisfied, and then mention the three "hardcore" games they're planning on releasing next year... yeah... let's see how that works for you.
they need third parties onboard and announcing interesting original ip, and they need to be creating new genres for the controller, rather than showing us that you can emulate existing genres decently well.
i *assume* that Nintendo is still holding some 2007 cards close to its chest because the release schedule so far doesn't really fill me with confidence.
so far... i only really want Wii sports - but not for $300.
i find it amusing that Nintendo says they plan on keeping the hardcore satisfied, and then mention the three "hardcore" games they're planning on releasing next year... yeah... let's see how that works for you.
they need third parties onboard and announcing interesting original ip, and they need to be creating new genres for the controller, rather than showing us that you can emulate existing genres decently well.
Rhazer Fusion
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Well....admittedly, I haven't actually played one yet, but unfortunately, none of the games except Zelda interest me at all. I also think it is extremely overpriced for what it offers. Once you purchase the system, component cables, a second controller and a game or two and a memory card(?), you are basically venturing into X360 territory price-wise. I think the virtual download is a great idea, but I also think that is overpriced as well. Could Sony get a away with charging $300 for a slightly modified PS2 with twelve axis technology? I really doubt it. They would probably receive harsh criticism from literally everyone for that controversial decision. I must commend Nintendo for trying something different and innovative, but I just wish that they didn't have to sacrifice the visual technology in favor for innovative controls. I am sure that this decision was because Nintendo wanted to make a profit obviously, but having both would of been really nice since gamers and media wouldn't always immediately start comparing the graphics to the competition. I think Wii will perform just fine against the competition due to name recognition and since it caters to a wider audience, but I am just concerned about how it will hold up against 3rd and 4th generation PS3 and X360 games.
Rhazer Fusion said:
Except you actually have 2 controllers and a game or two already (plus wii sports).Y ou don't need a memory card at all.
I never understood the logic behind statements like this. It's as if X360 was meant to be played solely by one person. Newsflash if you need more than one controller for the wii, you'll need multiple controllers for the 360 too. Also, if you want to be that way, you'll also need a wifi adapter for the 360 to match the Wii's wireless capabilities. Slap on an extra $100 for that and you're at $500 for a 360.
beelzebozo
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Branduil said:
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Rhazer Fusion
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Branduil said:
Ok, let's just say you want the bare basics for each system.
Wii
$250 for hardware
$60 for second controller
$50 for game
$360.
X360
$300 X360 Core
$40 Second Wired Controller
$30-$60 for game depending on how old it is.
$370-$400
See my point? I am just saying considering how wide the graphical discrepancy is between the two consoles, the Wii seems overpriced to me, that's all.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
might need a memory card or hard drive for that 360.
Rhazer Fusion said:
Where do you plan on saving your games?
Let alone that fact that you're using wired connections for controllers and internet plus you have to pay to play games online. Those aren't needed to play games but they are an added bonus. Also, remove the $50 for a game since the Wii comes with a game, or add an extra $50 for the 360 since you're only getting one game according to your thing.
The beauty of the wii is that you can simply pick one up at $250 and play it.
With the 360 core, you need a memory card and a game.
soul creator
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if we're gonna compare strict minimum costs for one game, one controller, and a way to save them, it's $250 vs. $400 (full priced 360 game)
if you want a platinum hit 360 game, it's $250 vs. $370.
whether one considers that price difference worth it or not is up to them, but this is the bare minimum needed.
of course, Gamecube beats out all of these, pricewise.
if you want a platinum hit 360 game, it's $250 vs. $370.
whether one considers that price difference worth it or not is up to them, but this is the bare minimum needed.
of course, Gamecube beats out all of these, pricewise.
Rhazer Fusion said:
Whoa! you're saying the Wii is overpriced, and like 300 times worst than the worst X360 game graphically speaking? (maybe overreacting again
)Maybe Anihawk can come and convince us that this isn't true
[/sarcasm] Well, I'll admit that I didn't see things from that point of view, guess you're right, anyway the core version is not the right example to go with this, 'cause you need the $100 HD to have the full experience online.
DjangoReinhardt
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And this is how you know if you've become too invested in your joke character.drohne said:
Rhazer Fusion
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I guess I was comparing them from a technical standpoint by stating that the X360 Core is actually only $50 more than the Wii for much better technology. I probably should of just said that I personally think that the Wii should of been approximately $150 for what it offered and left it at that.
The Bookerman
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Amir0x said:
Same shit applies to Xbox and Halo.
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