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Reckless Onion
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sleepykyo said:
Not sure if i understand your question but in MP you got to rank up your weapons just like in SP. Nothing carries over. You unlock the same stuff it just takes you like 10 times as long at least.
Yeah, what Razor said.sleepykyo said:
SP/co-op weapons and mods carry back and forth to each other, but MP are separate.
I never got a chance to mod one of my weapons fully from the time that MP was up in retail, but going from the beta when they changed the requirements, it's somewhere between 400 and 500 kills to mod a weapon to 5.
CartridgeBlower
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This has to be the worst SP experience I've had in a shooter in a long time. Maybe not as poor as Homefront, but close.
I'm on the frigate level, playing on Hard, and I have no idea what to do. I step out, the thing shots and kills me. Every time I send my teammates, they get ambushed and die. Sometimes I make it to the end, only to have the screen suddenly cut to black because I guess the frigate (or another ambush from nowhere) got one of my teammates at the last second. Following the waypoints also seems to be a sure fire way to die as well.
When people talk about a game wasting time and resources on SP and it then hurting MP because of it, this is the game they are talking about.
I'm on the frigate level, playing on Hard, and I have no idea what to do. I step out, the thing shots and kills me. Every time I send my teammates, they get ambushed and die. Sometimes I make it to the end, only to have the screen suddenly cut to black because I guess the frigate (or another ambush from nowhere) got one of my teammates at the last second. Following the waypoints also seems to be a sure fire way to die as well.
When people talk about a game wasting time and resources on SP and it then hurting MP because of it, this is the game they are talking about.
I beat the game on hard and at no point did I get completely stuck. I did have a couple times when I died multiple times but after awhile I figured out what I needed to do.CartridgeBlower said:
I have never really heard a complaint about a game having single player and taking focus off of the multiplayer, it is almost always the other way around and I am glad that they did have a single player game because without that I would have got little to no play time with SOCOM yet. I feel like a multiplayer only game is a hard sale really can limit the number of people that buy the game.
After S:C, there's no way Sony wasn't going to have a SP campaign once Zipper was back in charge since they got a lot of criticism for it even though it was more of a budget title with a small developer new to console gaming and was seen as a quick fix and not a true number in the series. To go without a SP in S4 would have been stupid since that's a big part of drawing in new players to the series and it's always been a part of SOCOM with most of them having great campaigns. This one was only average to me but I knew it was their way of trying to appeal to the mainstream market while slowly adapting them to MP with the standard mode to appeal to the more casual crowd and then hope they move on up to classic mode once they're familiar with the game and how to play as a team.W1SSY said:
I never had a problem in the campaign either besides maybe 4 retries or so trying to perfect a small section of a level. Other than that, it definitely wasn't hard and I liked how it only took a few bullets to die which made it more tactical than most shooters out there. It's funny how glad I am that SP existed since I only had pretty much one night to play MP. It sucks to wait that long through a big delay just to have it taken away from you once you finally got your hands on it.
I just feel really bad for Zipper and other devs that had a game just come out. I can't imagine how shitty it must feel to have PSN go down and affecting the sales of your game that you make a living off of, especially a game like this that has a harsh fanbase that will use these stats against them on the forum as if it didn't sell as well due to the changes and not even account for PSN being down. The forum is a joke with many assholes that don't even like the game supposedly but stay on there night and day to make negative comments and argue with people as if they have some sort of agenda or something instead of moving on. I'm hoping that since some of them can't post on the forum that they'll finally move on by now and go back to what gaming is supposed to be about...Having fun! We all know most of the guys there will play this game anyway and I know a few that even have alternate accounts just to keep their "street cred" on the forum.
It's helpful for long-range engagements but it's not something I care is there or not, but I don't see it being too big of a deal after they patched the normal accuracy which is all that mattered to me as a run 'n' gunner. As I see it, it's there for people who want to use it and those who don't want to don't have to. I use it to help me out for picking off people a mile away and that's it.Jtrizzy said:
Giriath_89
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Greg said:
My body is ready again. At least this time I know to always use SMGs.
Giriath_89
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Greg said:
I often use(d) the most powerful sniper rifles as my secondary. Assault rifles reach far with an ACOG scope though.
God have I missed this game. Now the hard part is reviving my clan since this probably took away what recruits I did manage to get on the first night. 
I really wish they didn't even touch the weapon mod system in the beta since it's going to take forever to even get mod 3 on my gun let alone all the guns I use. It basically favors those with one playstyle that plays a lot while the multirole players like myself are left with unmodded weapons. It's going to take some serious playtime, but my first few games I was 20-9 and then 39-10 so at least I'm doing well. I just wish more points are rewarded for objectives and that they can go towards your weapon too.
Anyway, add me on PSN if you need a buddy. PSN: Demolitio
Edit: I didn't experience any lag tonight, but it might be that you got in a bad room since I doubt there's that many rooms up right now so you could be playing against people on the other side of the world, lol. Hell, I waited 20 minutes to get enough in a queue to get in a classic game but then just gave up and did standard. So not many classic rooms were up right away.
I really wish they didn't even touch the weapon mod system in the beta since it's going to take forever to even get mod 3 on my gun let alone all the guns I use. It basically favors those with one playstyle that plays a lot while the multirole players like myself are left with unmodded weapons. It's going to take some serious playtime, but my first few games I was 20-9 and then 39-10 so at least I'm doing well. I just wish more points are rewarded for objectives and that they can go towards your weapon too.
Anyway, add me on PSN if you need a buddy. PSN: Demolitio
Edit: I didn't experience any lag tonight, but it might be that you got in a bad room since I doubt there's that many rooms up right now so you could be playing against people on the other side of the world, lol. Hell, I waited 20 minutes to get enough in a queue to get in a classic game but then just gave up and did standard. So not many classic rooms were up right away.
Yeah, mods are going to be a pain. I'm ~400 kills into one two different SMGs, and it's only about halfway through mod 4 into 5.demolitio said:God have I missed this game. Now the hard part is reviving my clan since this probably took away what recruits I did manage to get on the first night.
I really wish they didn't even touch the weapon mod system in the beta since it's going to take forever to even get mod 3 on my gun let alone all the guns I use. It basically favors those with one playstyle that plays a lot while the multirole players like myself are left with unmodded weapons. It's going to take some serious playtime, but my first few games I was 20-9 and then 39-10 so at least I'm doing well. I just wish more points are rewarded for objectives and that they can go towards your weapon too.
Anyway, add me on PSN if you need a buddy. PSN: Demolitio
Going to send you a friend request right now before I sign off though. I'll probably just be in random respawn rooms until the party system is patched in and I can play with my clan, so I'm sure you'll see me around.
EDIT: Your friend list is at max, so I'll catch you another time. I need some sleep.
Yeah, no prompt for me, so he was probably getting the launch one.Persona7 said:
The main thing I forget is that even with the changes, this is still SOCOM, which I haven't played in years. I don't mean this in a bad way, but SOCOM is about camping, playing slowly, and using cover. I like that personally, but it requires patience.Vega said:I've never been much of a online gamer but, I started playing this morning. God, am i terrible. These fuckers are destroying me within seconds.
They're all pretty well-rounded once you mod them, but I stick with the PDW/KP5 because of the firerate boost once you hit Mod 3. The recoil is crazy on the PDW's ADS, so I'd keep OTS for the alternate view. The KP5 doesn't have much recoil at all, so ADS is fine.panda21 said:
I think the weapons are balanced enough that they all have their place, but I mainly rush, so SMGs are a good fit. You should win any firefight at a relatively close distance, and they're effective enough at mid-range if you get the jump considering you have a silencer.
Yeha, it's running great already in the other games I played this morning. The lag I commented on yesterday ended up being a connection issue on my part.LevityNYC said:
Just find a decent position for your squad and spam the target marks. I didn't realize how terrible my teammates aimed unless I specified a target. You can do almost no work as long as they have targets.Raoh said:
If the enemies are more spread out, tag them separately for each team (yellow gets some, blue gets some) - if the enemies are close together you can assign both teams to the same target.
Nope, no saving in the middle.Wario64 said:
And you're probably already aware, but when you're collecting the taroccos you only have to get them once and they save. It threw me off because I would pick one up, die before a checkpoint, and then it would spawn again.
Until the party system is in and/or they add a penalty for repeated failed votes like in Confrontation, I don't see that changing any time soon.Sethos said:
You've mentioned it before, but what exactly is your issue? I think I'm misinterpreting.Jtrizzy said:
While you're holding L1, R3 will toggle between OTS and ADS zoom (if your gun has an attachment for ADS). The next time you press L1 your most recent selection will be the default. While playing online the default view gets switched back to OTS every game.
FoxhoundNL
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I know that in Confrontation and earlier Socoms it meant: "TURN THE FUCK AROUND THERE's A GUY BEHIND YOU!!!" So you could turn around and pop his head.Sethos said:
Revolutionary
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So uh.. what are the recommended settings for Move players? Finally played my first MP game today and didn't do too well (still won, though), so any configuration tips are appreciated.
Now that PSN is finally back up, I'm looking forward to getting some actual impressions.
Are there any classic SOCOM 1 maps with the game? That's really where I made my bones with this series. I played a little bit of SOCOM 2, but only a fraction of the amount of time I put into SOCOM 1.
Don't really care about a lobby or anything. I really just want an updated SOCOM 1, which I certainly did not get with Confrontation. What a shitfest.
Are there any classic SOCOM 1 maps with the game? That's really where I made my bones with this series. I played a little bit of SOCOM 2, but only a fraction of the amount of time I put into SOCOM 1.
Don't really care about a lobby or anything. I really just want an updated SOCOM 1, which I certainly did not get with Confrontation. What a shitfest.
Ah, I see what you're saying. I actually like how it saves because rarely do I need to use OTS unless my gun doesn't have a scope, or the recoil is so high (most SMGs) that's it's ineffective to use ADS. Firing from the hip is just about as accurate as OTS, and on top of that you don't sacrifice your aim speed while using it.Jtrizzy said:
I can definitely see how someone would like the option for it to reset though.
This is like Christmas to finally play this game again. Nothing's worse than spending $60 on a game you've been waiting this whole generation for just to only play it 1 day before PSN goes down...It was like they were toying with us.
I'm bummed that this not only pushes some of the patches back, but I'm sure the first free SOCOM Pro DLC will be delayed quite a bit too which is a damn shame since I miss my M16. The AK47 should be interesting to see how different it is from the other Merc guns. I wonder how similar to the 74 it will be....
I'm bummed that this not only pushes some of the patches back, but I'm sure the first free SOCOM Pro DLC will be delayed quite a bit too which is a damn shame since I miss my M16. The AK47 should be interesting to see how different it is from the other Merc guns. I wonder how similar to the 74 it will be....
Revolutionary said:
You need to adjust to the Move first, and that takes a few game sessions. But anyway, reduce the normal and gameplay deadzones to minimal (leave the scope one as is). The sooner you turn the better. Then, increase camera speeds to the max and the cursor sensitivity to almost max (5 or 6 tabs below top is what I use).
If you are using the Sharpshooter, detach it and put it back in the box. Use the Move alone. SOCOM 4 vanilla Move implementation is already less optimal (and less novice friendly) than the KZ3 one as is. Using the Sharpshooter makes it even more difficult to adjust to the different control system.
At the beginning of this video there are other tips about how to hold the Move (it's KZ3 related, but it applies to SOCOM 4 as well): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWF0yZCmpNo