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Sony announces PS4 Pro, $399, November 10th
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Black Republican
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wonder if PS4Pro HDD will take up more space before game installs compared to the original ps4?
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-4k-gaming-on-ps4-pro-tech-analysis
I think this is a good article by Digital Foundry.
Sorry if it has been posted already, but my main "concern" here is that, basis what DF says in there, a few PS4 PRO titles seem to have worse performance than base PS4 games, like Deus Ex , COD.
Sure, games are not released yet, but should this be a concern in general?
I certainly dont want to upgrade and end up with worse performance... that would be failure on a pretty much epic scale...
I think this is a good article by Digital Foundry.
Sorry if it has been posted already, but my main "concern" here is that, basis what DF says in there, a few PS4 PRO titles seem to have worse performance than base PS4 games, like Deus Ex , COD.
Sure, games are not released yet, but should this be a concern in general?
I certainly dont want to upgrade and end up with worse performance... that would be failure on a pretty much epic scale...
I did not think of this possibility at all, wow. Hopefully we can have the choice to select the version for each game that supports the Pro.
Old code, don´t worry about it, also if you play at 1080p you won´t suffer those.
Does the Pro allow you to choose what "version" to play? Or are you force to play in Pro version, meaning even if you dont have a 4K tv set, the game is still going to render that resolution and just downsample it to 1080p, meaning whatever issues there are in 4K mode (low FPS for example) are transferred into your 1080p tv set?
Also, didnt Sony specifically demand from devs that PS4 PRO versions are rock solid performance-wise compared to PS4?
Lighthouse
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I do not recommend SSHD's if you are looking for better performance, you're much better off waiting for a deal on SSD's.
Just a friendly reminder
Just a friendly reminder
From the way it was described, the console knows you'll be playing the Pro 1080p version or the Pro 4K version, so it might downsample the image along with any other additions they might have added. But then there's some like Rise of the Tomb Raider that has actual modes that you can switch (ie. 45-60fps or 30fps with better visuals), so there's chances you can change the mode for yourself.
But yeah, the Digital Foundry video with the iffy framerates are definitely works in progress. Optimizing them probably happened by now and that was just the footage they had from old code, as someone else mentioned.
Delete what you can and re download it, re install it. If you can delete installations and transfer saves it should be fine unless you have alot more other stuff like videos, pics, etc.
Dredd97
Member
would be nice to just be able to pop the drive out of the PS4 vanilla and insert it into the pro.. sign in to PSN, let it do a database rebuild and it's done..
but we know it won't be that easy...
Yeah, I wish. The issue for me is the ton of videos and gameplay captures. The rest could just be downloaded. Maybe I can back those up elsewhere. The whole process is going to be a pain in the ass though. The Pro is basically a new iPhone with 16gb of storage. Ridiculous the hdds are still so small.
Sadly don't think there is another way. I think you can transfer directly between PS4s, but the Pro would need a big enough HDD to accept the data of course.
I got an external 3TB HDD for like £60, which is replacing my 2TB "general use" external HDD, and I'll use that to back up and restore to the pro and then I'm going to use that for my X1 S, as the 500GB external HDD for that is now getting low on space, so killing two birds with one stone there for me. Though I do want to keep the data on the old PS4 too or at least some of it so not sure how I'm going to be able to do that...
Other than direct to PS4 transfer or external HDD back up and restore, there isn't really another choice. You could at least back up all saves to a USB or cloud and get them back that way, but for games, sadly not.
AllBusinessJr
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Wait...what?
Militaratus
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StrongBlackVine
Banned
This is false. Games will look noticeably better on 1080p displays.
http://gematsu.com/2016/10/ps4-pro-serial-ata-revision-3-0-support
For people that have added SSDs to their PS4, are they usually SATA 3.0?
For people that have added SSDs to their PS4, are they usually SATA 3.0?
HerroRygar
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One of the PS4 Pro requirements by Sony is that the games run at least as well as their non-Pro counterpart. They won't authorize an inferior Pro version for release.
Regular PS4 only has SATA2, it can't take advantage of the benefits SATA3. Pretty much all modern drives are SATA3.
JustinJ004
Banned
You say that but this is the same company that approved multiple patches that progressively made Just Cause 3 worse.
I expect numerous inferior Pro versions even by the end of this year. Sony's cert is mostly worthless and devs/pubs love cranking out half-finished games.
why would you expect that, because you lack common sense?
Cool, that's what I thought.
Not sure I should bother based on your tag, but forcing devs to put out more versions of a game probably won't improve the already tenuous QA quality we've seen in recent years. More powerful hardware doesn't automatically mean games will run better. Look at any bad PC ports and it's evident. As a recent example, Rise of the Tomb Raider has worse AF on Xbone/PS4 than on last gen (i.e., the goddamn 360). Sony saying games must run better on the Pro in no way guarantees that will be the case. People should remain skeptical of this claim instead of taking it for granted.
TheChewyWaffles
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How will the SSHD perform compared to a SSD? Are they even in the same league?
Well, I have a 1080p plasma that I'm not upgrading for years and I spent way more than a PS4Pro on top of the line GPUs to play all my PC games on it at 4k if possible and there is a mindblowingly huge visual difference between playing at 1080 & 4k on my 1080 screen thanks to the down sampling. Playing at 4k on a 1080p TV basically gives perfect AA & IQ and makes every game look like a playable bullshot. GTAV at 4k downsampled to 1080p at 60fps is incredible. Combine that with hopefully better framerate performance on games and it should be a big difference even without a 4K TV.
Marty Chinn
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How much testing do you think Sony will do on an open world game like GTA when comparing the base and Pro version to know that in every instance the Pro version runs at least as well as the base version? It shouldn't surprise anyone if they don't catch something.
Pankratous
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Man I'm excited to see how this helps out PSVR.
AuthenticM
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dude... does this mean what I think it means in regards to SSDs?
thelastword
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I believe that requirement has to do with more than framerate. So fidelity resolution etc. At 1080p though, no game should run better on the base PS4 and I believe that's what the requirement is.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
So are we still in the dark about what the actual "bay size" for HDDs is with the Pro? As have not found any info in regards to that yet. Which is kinda stupid considering its fairly important with how much shit these days needs to be patched along with the highly digital market we have been moving towards...
I haven't seen anything, either. I suspect Sony is keeping their messaging 100% PSVR focused through the immediate launch period before returning to talking up the Pro. Hopefully in another week or two the trickle of information turns into something more substantial.
To be fair, do you really need more than a week's notice to order any drive you might have in mind? We'd all like the information now but with another four weeks until the system arrives it's not exactly necessary.
RedlineRonin
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Similar experience here at a Best Buy in the states. Seems like they haven't said or shown anything really since the reveal
I used to be but it seems it's not game performance that needs help so my excitement has died in that department.
Cyborg
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Seems logical, But I just want to have the best hardware to play PS4 games on. While I dont know if there will be any benefits for 1080p users.
Im taking my chances
sell my PS4 for 200 and buy a ProWe've had it readily available for pre-order through our best buy website almost since announcement, and I know in my stores our Sony rep has done training with my teams. Can't account for every store I guess.
Frostman
Member
Yeah, hopefully this changes over the next couple of weeks. We still don't know how a few big release games will support it, such as BF1.
gray_fox224
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What does it mean?
Kwansu Dudes
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I think it means that the PS4Pro can finally take advantage of SSD read/write speeds. I don't think anyone has tested it yet, but it gives us hope.
fudgey_lumpkins
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Significantly reduced loading times.
PeterLegend
Member
Sony should release more videos showcasing the new hardware, a lot of people are still confused...
Here in Romania, it's up for pre-order at all the major retailers. I secured one and they said the stock will arrive on launch day, so that's when they'll start shipping. Only if they have anything left after fulfilling the pre-orders they'll put them on the shelves of the actual stores.
So completely anecdotal, but it seems stocks will not be very high? Of course it depends on a country by country basis, but then again, PSVR has not yet officially released here yet, compared to the Pro which will be on November 10th, same as the rest of the world.