googleplex
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It going to be interesting to see what kind of numbers a $299 PS4 light and a $399 PS4K does.
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Sony FY2015 Earnings ($1.3b profit; 40m PS4 Shipped)
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A non-excessive delay won't massively decrease sales numbers. The game didn't sell well at all in the US and EU as well so what chance did it have in Japan and Australia?
wonderful103
Member
"If the Wii U was 19.99 it would be the current market leader"
Things don't work this way. But you know that. Or you should, at least.
AnthonypUK
Member
Creators of a bunch of commercially unsuccessful games got the chop? Sony aren't a charity.
Obliterator
Member
It's going to be interesting how they report shipments for them. Separate or together. I'm assuming the later so we may never really know PS4ks real impact overall
AnthonypUK
Member
They will merge numbers 99,9%.
AnthonypUK
Member
Depends on what the numbers are, if both are healthy they'll split it out for sure, if there's a perceived weakness in one, they'll combine.
But you have no idea what investors or the Board said. I'm sure the recent closures and "tightening of the belt" are a direct result of what happened last gen (and with Sony's other businesses). They were bleeding money and I'm sure that didn't make people happy.
On a scale of doomed to doooooooooomed, how doomed is Sony?
Mass_Pincup
Banned
Ok you think that the tsunami didn't impacted the sales of the game, what about PSN being down? It released less then a week before the shutdown in the US.
It had a lot going against it.
Two, Pixelopus and North West Studio are the only one I remember.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
You know, I remember posting in the Liverpool studio closure thread, and that still stings a lot, because god damn i loved Wipeout.
But I'm looking at that list and thinking "yeah, I can see why they got closed". (and technically, Starhawk was developed by Lightbox Interactive - in cooperation with Santa Monica).
Shuhei Yoshida said this a few years ago
"When you look at what we do, managing studios and managing funds, that’s essentially what we do: to look for talent and support talent, because at the end of the day it’s the people that create amazing things, and it’s the creative team that makes breakthroughs.
It’s a hit-driven business. We look at our financial results of the titles, and probably three or four out of ten make money, and maybe one or two make all the money to cover the cost of the others titles. So we have to be able to maintain that hit ratio at a certain level to be able to continue in the business, so we always try to find out and support and help grow the talent. That’s the most important work that I believe myself and some of my management team at worldwide studios are doing."
The notion that they do not take risks is generally unsubstantiated.
You may very well be right. The head of Evo feared that Sony would shut them down but they didn't and gave them a chance. Evo then went on to make pos-launch DLC and Motorstorm RC and who knows how that did but judging from its reception, it was pretty meh.
But Shu doesn't dictate everything that Sony does. If investors aren't happy, he has to change.
Also, I never said they don't take chances. Just that after a period of loss you have to trim fat.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
LOL! Yes, Gaijin my mistake.
Captain Tuttle
Member
Very good numbers, glad to see Sony is healthy
Oh I get what you mean. My point was aimed towards those who believe Sony don't take risks with their software.
Also, I remember Shu saying that he funded some games much to the ire of the higher ups so I would assume that he has some degree of power to do stuff that goes against his superiorss wishes. I've been looking for that quote but I can't find it but I'm confident that he said something along the lines of that.
Ars has been really bad in the last 5-8 years. I've read their site for a long time myself, since the early 2000's, and the quality of their reviews, along with their editorials, has consistency leaned in certain directions. Even where those directions really didn't match the reality.
I'm not sure if it's just personal bias or if it's something more sinister, but Ars has had a heavy Microsoft bias for a while now. edit: they are still a good site for their scientific articles, but that's about it.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
There's no way they won't be able to lower the price of the OG PS4 to $250 by Fall of 2017.
generic_username
I switched to an alt account to ditch my embarrassing tag so I could be an embarrassing Naughty Dog fanboy in peace. Ask me anything!
If its unsuccessful i see "PS4 family"
Why would they report them separately when they are going to have the exact same software for the next three years? It is going to be PS4 family irrespective of whether it sells more, less or same as the existing PS4.
I don't see them having any interest in splitting numbers within the same platform (playing the same games), unless numbers sold individually were mind boggling.
By their very nature PS4 and PS4K Neo will canibalize off each other's numbers, so announcing numbers sold/ shipped as "PS4 platform" probably makes more sense.
I believe you, and I believe Shu meant that. But in the end, he didn't close Evolution because he's evil or because it was fun (not saying you or anyone thinks this), he closed it because someone (or some group) deemed it to be better for the Sony brand.
With Racing sales declining, I truly believe it had a lot to do with the perceived "redundancy" of Evolution...as unfortunate as that is.
It wasn't that one article in particular, but the overwhelming feeling given off by nearly all gaming media. It seemed they really really wanted to hype up the Xbone and play down the ps4 at nearly every turn, even over the drm stuff. It was quite bizarre tbh.
Largely of course the predominant media is US based, and last gen the US handily picked 360 over PS3.
Of course, the consensus on this forum before we had firm details of either machine also suggested that MS would make the greatest machine ever and that Sony would flop hard. We, at least, largely changed our tune rather quickly once we knew what we were getting.
Ivan
Member
Nice to hear after all those years...
Kaz is really doing a great job.
And I'm so glad that gaming is the key part of it.
We'll probably see much smaller Sony in the end, but I wonder what will happen now when they are a company that actually makes money.
We are not seeing 90s Sony again that's for sure, but it must be different and more relaxed for them now. And it's going to get even better.
I really miss that badass 90s Sony...
Kaz is really doing a great job.
And I'm so glad that gaming is the key part of it.
We'll probably see much smaller Sony in the end, but I wonder what will happen now when they are a company that actually makes money.
We are not seeing 90s Sony again that's for sure, but it must be different and more relaxed for them now. And it's going to get even better.
I really miss that badass 90s Sony...
CrispyBoar
Banned
Dude, Sony had already put out a lot of exclusives last gen, & most of them had all bombed commercially & financially.
It's no surprise as to why they're taking this more seriously by coming out with only fewer, but very quality exclusives this time around. They're running a business, not a charity.
anexanhume
Member
I think we'll see a $300 MSRP with "promotional" discounts to $250.
I wish they could reconcile somehow. He was great in sales threads.
BulletSmoke
Member
Woot nice to see Sony in the black for once, good that they're trying to hemmorage the bleeding in their phone division. I'm sure they're expecting more profits this holiday with the PSVR and (maybe the NEO)
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
For once? They've been in the black.
Its ok to be wrong if you change when new info appears.
There was a pretty sustained decline from 2009-2013-ish, and mobile was exploding.
Imo, Things have settled down into a more predictable pastern, assuming the hardware guys don't totally fuck things up. Even handheld gaming has bottomed out and is sustainable, assuming (again) the hardware guy doesn't fuck up. But lookig at things in 2012, it is easy to see how a different conclusion could be drawn.
qa_engineer
Member
Savagery. We can never let this one go.
I'm not sure why. WiiU had killer day one sales too.
edit: thinking about it, why'd they need to make a headline out of it? It does reek of pr.
Sony is doomed people see here, just because some divisions aint doing so hot right now it is doomed.
it was also doomed because PlayStation 8 years ago, oh i see.
Flat but will see a growth YoY this year so expect >18m sales from Ps4 and Ps4K.
Bolivar687
Banned
That's why I'm actually glad Sony took a clear lead and this trajectory keeps up because if the race was close, we'd still be getting all these awkward innuendos and stuff from the US games media.
potatohead
Member
Isn't this like the first fiscal year they have made profit in like.... 7 years then?
1.3 billion profit is huge for them.
The Kaz influence is real.
1.3 billion profit is huge for them.
The Kaz influence is real.
qa_engineer
Member
Exactly. Instead of the headline reading "PS4 sells 1 million on first day" and then going into detail as to why that doesn't always spell success, they went head first with the headline. This isn't the only "don't read too much into it" article either.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
gamerMan
Member
Marketing.
I'm just saying company PR on NPD days would be interesting if XB1 started coming out on top of the NPD charts with PS4 and PS4k in 2nd and 3rd place if tracked separately.
Astral Dog
Member
1.3 BILLION profit!? ;O