A talking fish in blackface that was clearly meant to depict a person who actually existed and did nothing wrong.
Again, just stop.
Edit: Actually, you know what, nevermind. This isn't an argument I want to have.
A talking fish in blackface that was clearly meant to depict a person who actually existed and did nothing wrong.
Again, just stop.
How funny.
They brought back the super dated homophobic Kanye joke from 10+ years ago. Mixed it with a semen joke and then used it to make fun of Kanye's dead mom.
I think the older you get the more eye-rolling the "edgyness" of South Park becomes.
It's amazing that Ubisoft thought that this segment would be a good way of selling the game
Yeah you sure stuck it to Kanye guys! Lol so funny GAY FISH lmaoooo Lets make fun of his dead mom using a racist caricature fish in a really lame joke altogether. Even a few years ago at E3 they made fun of the Donda West game like, come on, even in the context of comedy or humor it wasn't very funny and really mean-spirited.
Yeah you sure stuck it to Kanye guys! Lol so funny GAY FISH lmaoooo Lets make fun of his dead mom using a racist caricature fish in a really lame joke altogether. Even a few years ago at E3 they made fun of the Donda West game like, come on, even in the context of comedy or humor it wasn't very funny and really mean-spirited.
They meaning the South Park folks? Must have missed that. Not that I was still watching the show anymore or anything. But the blackface shit puts it on a whole new level of disgusting.
I remember when Matt and Trey were at the ubi e3 press conference a couple years ago and they were making fun of Kanye's game about his Mom and it feeling really mean and made me uncomfortable.
This trailer is the same shit but worse with that blackface fish. Only funny part was the "see you soon" joke.
I really like South Park but man this trailer was fucked.
From earlier in the thread
How many of you that are mad with this, are actually black people?
Hi. Black person here.How many of you that are mad with this, are actually black people?
Here's a clip I found, not sure if there's more to it.
https://twitter.com/Precyse/status/743526020121264129
It turns out they weren't actually joking and ended up putting it in the game? And gave Kanye's mother blackface for the "lulz bro."
How many of you that are mad with this, are actually black people?
How many of you that are mad with this, are actually black people?
Oh well I guess they weren't joking since they put in the game, sure.
But tbh, as someone who lost their mother a few years ago and found solace in Kanye's music and really resonated and connected with it on an emotional level because of it, I really can't say I fuck with South Park anymore after this. I kinda forgot about the E3 thing, and there was the stuff about the race slider which was clever, but damn that mocking of Donda West with a mammy fish character was too distasteful for me bro.
What the fuck is this supposed to mean?
I'd like to think that they (devs/artists) are SO not racist that they didn't see the mammy/jiggaboo connection until today with the Internet reaction.
I'm sure anybody black on the staff feels personally responsible for letting this slip too. I know I would. I probably wouldn't have spotted this either. My friends would be so mad at me.
"Yo, how did you not see that? You WORK there! That's some Mr. Popo shit right there."
"I don't knooooow! I feel awful! We don't want to release a game that turns people off like that. It's bad enough the first one had a long tail. It took a lot of word of mouth for sales to happen. This stupid thing could tank our game. FUCK! And in THIS climate? How did I not see this? I wish I said something. FUCK."
There's no way Donda fish is staying that way.
I mean, fucked up to make fun of the guy's mom in the first place but I really think this is an oversight and not intentionally racist. Just unfortunate.
The eyes and lips. Damn. If only they picked another animal. But then the fish sticks joke doesn't work anymore.
I assume they changed Kanye to a literal fish to avoid using his likeness for legal reasons. I forget, were there any "cameos" in stick of truth?
Took me TEN YEARS to pick up on the movie's title of "bigger, longer, and uncut".
I forget, were there any "cameos" in stick of truth?
How many of you that are mad with this, are actually black people?
Am I only allowed to speak on discrimination directed at white people?
Come out and say what you mean by asking this question.How many of you that are mad with this, are actually black people?
She should be green like Kanye, I don't have a PhD in being offended though.
I know it's an odd opinion. I have self-awareness. And an abundance of empathy. I didn't see the problem until others pointed it out. And yes, I'm very familiar with the imagery. I just. I dunno. I don't go about my life as there's a Klan member behind every corner waiting to attack me. I follow the "act as if" mantra and go about my life as if we're 1,000 years in the future and human beings have resolved their differences.Poe's Law is a bastard. Halfway through this post I realized it was not satire.
Yeah, there's a few.
At one point you fight an aborted fetus from Khloe Kardashian.
Yeah, there's a few.
At one point you fight an aborted fetus from Khloe Kardashian.
I know it's an odd opinion. I have self-awareness. And an abundance of empathy. I didn't see the problem until others pointed it out. And yes, I'm very familiar with the imagery. I just. I dunno. I don't go about my life as there's a Klan member behind every corner waiting to attack me. I follow the "act as if" mantra and go about my life as if we're 1,000 years in the future and human beings have resolved their differences.
But that's naive because people always find reasons to draw lines in the sand. Even those with the same skin color.
But also, I really do hope/think it's an oversight. Why would a major company stupidly put something like this in it KNOWING it would hurt their sales and make them look like they support racism? I don't see it. It just doesn't make any sense. Why even bother making the game? Just tank your company with a few choice tweets on twitter and be done with it.
Bro, they TWEETED THIS OUT AS A TEASER! LOL, they clearly had no idea! They didn't see what was wrong with it, clearly! (I'm laughing over the schadenfreude.)
This is a Curb Your Enthusiasm level boner right here. Cue the trombone. I'm TELLING YOU they're gonna change/fix this.
Well then that just raises further questions.
Agreed completely. I loved them giving it to Kanye in the show before, but this is just shitty of them. They remind of school bullies at this point in terms of assholery.Eh, are you black yourself?
Either way, joking about someone's dead mother for teh lulz is already shitty enough. The embarrassing racism is the icing on the cake.
I know it's an odd opinion. I have self-awareness. And an abundance of empathy. I didn't see the problem until others pointed it out. And yes, I'm very familiar with the imagery. I just. I dunno. I don't go about my life as there's a Klan member behind every corner waiting to attack me. I follow the "act as if" mantra and go about my life as if we're 1,000 years in the future and human beings have resolved their differences.
But that's naive because people always find reasons to draw lines in the sand. Even those with the same skin color.
But also, I really do hope/think it's an oversight. Why would a major company stupidly put something like this in it KNOWING it would hurt their sales and make them look like they support racism? I don't see it. It just doesn't make any sense. Why even bother making the game? Just tank your company with a few choice tweets on twitter and be done with it.
Bro, they TWEETED THIS OUT AS A TEASER! LOL, they clearly had no idea! They didn't see what was wrong with it, clearly! (I'm laughing over the schadenfreude.)
This is a Curb Your Enthusiasm level boner right here. Cue the trombone. I'm TELLING YOU they're gonna change/fix this.
I agree that it's a weird look but I don't think it was missed or overlooked that kanye's mom is depicted as a racist stereotype considering they hit both the visuals and the voice. I see this as intentional on the part of the developers, at least.
Not sure about Ubisoft's PR department but I doubt this was a surprise to them, either.
I know it's naive but I'm just hoping it was an oversight. Whatever explanation they give won't be satisfying. We'll never know (or believe?) their side.
As far as the voice, they've used that old lady voice numerous times. But everything else: the fish eyes, fish lips colored red, the dark skin, it was the perfect storm. Oh well.
She should be green like Kanye, I don't have a PhD in being offended though.
That's pretty funny! But if you're curious It's pronounced like Alan. It's the Haitian spelling. I don't correct people because I don't want to sound like THAT guy! lolNot to change the subject and nothing against you or your opinion obviously, but your username reminded me of this hehe : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxuwXczWQC0
"actually it's alain"
lmfao im so hype!!
this thread is a fucking embarrassment
We all have different levels of what is racist or not.
The City Wok Asian character for instance is as old as the show itself.
Like almost 20 years of recreated the Breakfest at Tiffanys character. Nobody gave a shit, because it was a parody of decades old film, or maybe Asian viewers were not offended, or they kept it to themselves.
Now I can totally empathize with people who are maybe several years younger then myself.
What makes South Park work is that they attack everyone. If you are a part of a religion, or movement of any kind, they will get to you eventually.
One of the more interesting examples is they had Mohamed as a super hero in the early years. A few years later they tried to reintroduce the character, and were shut down out of fear. Nobody had shit to say the first time around, but fascist goofballs mowed down a parody newspaper in France.
And I am not sure which happened first, but displaying this particular character was all of the sudden banned by the network.
We all have different levels of what is racist or not.
The City Wok Asian character for instance is as old as the show itself.
Like almost 20 years of recreated the Breakfest at Tiffanys character. Nobody gave a shit, because it was a parody of decades old film, or maybe Asian viewers were not offended, or they kept it to themselves.
Now I can totally empathize with people who are maybe several years younger then myself.
What makes South Park work is that they attack everyone. If you are a part of a religion, or movement of any kind, they will get to you eventually.
One of the more interesting examples is they had Mohamed as a super hero in the early years. A few years later they tried to reintroduce the character, and were shut down out of fear. Nobody had shit to say the first time around, but fascist goofballs mowed down a parody newspaper in France.