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Don't even talk about that or you'll make me imagine things that'll never happen.
Patlabor Movie 1 -
This is a pretty remarkable movie.
There are three or so sequences involving two detectives tracking down the whereabouts of the movie’s main culprit/villain. Symbols are established, symbols are maintained, symbols are destroyed - there’s a real sense of passage (in both time and distance) in their usage, turning what would otherwise be mundane investigation scenes into little glimpses into the graveyard of metropolises, the underbellies of gleaming downtown skyscrapers where dust fills empty rooms and abandoned children’s toys presage the discovery of scripture scrawled on walls. These are visions of age, of decay; they serve as contrast to the rapidly paced development of technology in this universe, and the feeling that this development has left behind and abandoned those who could not catch up is commented upon as the movie progresses, most explicitly in the conversation between the 'Uncle' of SHI and the head engineer man (I really need to watch the entirety of the Patlabor canon/cycle/filmverse).
I loved pretty much the whole movie, but these scenes - a departure from the otherwise solidly technological vibe of the setting - stood out for me; they reminded me of the director unraveling the city into a dream atop a Morporkian turtle in, say, Beautiful Dreamer, or the nighttime jaunt through the echoes and shadows in Angel’s Egg. They’re wonderfully unsettling, complemented perfectly by the music.
Images are established early on and called back on later to great effect - here Gotoh mentions that he's beginning to understand the culprit, and their faces are, for a moment, mirroring each other's satisfaction, with the first shot established in the beginning and the latter coming about two-thirds of a way in. There's a similar sort of joy in both constructing and deconstructing plots, and we see for a moment just what drives Gotoh so, beyond just an urge to serve the public.
And there's so many more moments like this. This is such a rich movie in that regard. Not quite Oshii unleashed, but the careful thought that goes into framing what is otherwise an excellently plotted, but mundane, thriller is pretty remarkable.
Enjoyed the fuck out of it. Looking forward to watching the second movie next week.
This is a pretty remarkable movie.
There are three or so sequences involving two detectives tracking down the whereabouts of the movie’s main culprit/villain. Symbols are established, symbols are maintained, symbols are destroyed - there’s a real sense of passage (in both time and distance) in their usage, turning what would otherwise be mundane investigation scenes into little glimpses into the graveyard of metropolises, the underbellies of gleaming downtown skyscrapers where dust fills empty rooms and abandoned children’s toys presage the discovery of scripture scrawled on walls. These are visions of age, of decay; they serve as contrast to the rapidly paced development of technology in this universe, and the feeling that this development has left behind and abandoned those who could not catch up is commented upon as the movie progresses, most explicitly in the conversation between the 'Uncle' of SHI and the head engineer man (I really need to watch the entirety of the Patlabor canon/cycle/filmverse).
I loved pretty much the whole movie, but these scenes - a departure from the otherwise solidly technological vibe of the setting - stood out for me; they reminded me of the director unraveling the city into a dream atop a Morporkian turtle in, say, Beautiful Dreamer, or the nighttime jaunt through the echoes and shadows in Angel’s Egg. They’re wonderfully unsettling, complemented perfectly by the music.
Images are established early on and called back on later to great effect - here Gotoh mentions that he's beginning to understand the culprit, and their faces are, for a moment, mirroring each other's satisfaction, with the first shot established in the beginning and the latter coming about two-thirds of a way in. There's a similar sort of joy in both constructing and deconstructing plots, and we see for a moment just what drives Gotoh so, beyond just an urge to serve the public.
And there's so many more moments like this. This is such a rich movie in that regard. Not quite Oshii unleashed, but the careful thought that goes into framing what is otherwise an excellently plotted, but mundane, thriller is pretty remarkable.
Enjoyed the fuck out of it. Looking forward to watching the second movie next week.
No, you just misunderstand the List. The purpose in collecting these titles isn't for torture purposes, but to record the titles that manage to be entertaining in their badness.
It's the same sort of motivation as this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_Science_Theater_3000
Accordingly, Garzey's Wing is a show that can make you laugh your ass off, and that's precisely why it is recommended! Who doesn't enjoy a good laugh?
PshycoNinja
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Oh I see. My fault. I jumped to conclusions.
I should've known this considering I watched some of those titles.
Edit: And who doesn't enjoy a laugh? I don't know but whoever they may be they are evil...
Hanamaru Kindergarten 6
Yeah, I'm gonna try and forget this episode ever happened.
I mean, Inugami-san to Nekoyama-san is a thing this season.
Yeah, I'm gonna try and forget this episode ever happened.
I mean, Inugami-san to Nekoyama-san is a thing this season.
darkblade77
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That does explain a lot.
Admiral Woofington
Member
I'll start Garzey's Wing maybe on Friday. So busy with group work until then.
No need to thank me
Have to disqualify it from consideration because the short format basically forces them to excise any semblance of a relationship and just give the viewer the red meat anyway.
Not that it would probably be any different if it were full-length format. Sakura Trick fuwafuwa lesbian vibes are too strong.
Just watched JoJo?Awful OP. And I was looking forward to it.
Admiral Woofington
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So is the Shaft head tilt like the Dreamworks face of anime?
MetroidPrimeRib
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Yeah, I guess. I don't think anyone else does the head tilt though.
Garzey's Wing is definitely a perfect example of what you've just described, so I'd second that recommendation. It's terrible all across the board, but the dub makes it a funny watch.
The thing is, unlike Mystery Science Theater 3000, which exclusively deals with bad movies and explicitly includes some of the worst ever made, there are a few titles on the List that aren't quite so bad. Shows you're meant to laugh along with, to a greater or lesser extent, and which might display some degree of self-awareness and competence to that effect as well as having partial or considerable merits in other ways. Not that there's too many such examples but, despite their shared craziness, not everything on the List is really on the MST3K scale of absolute failure that requires a cynical running commentary to be enjoyable (many of the movies they riff on are almost unwatchable by themselves and/or when approaching them in any other mindset).
PshycoNinja
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There was several times characters did a back head tilt in Anohana, the most recent anime that I finished. And that show was done by A-1.
Ha!
It's interesting how the show does that isn't it? It'll dabble a lot with that last part but it still is funny when a certain.... character is introduced.
Yeah, I'm starting to find that red-heads are the best characters in anime.
Ikuhara started it. He's a loony.
d-d-does this mean I have a r-real life now? I didn't make the last the last couple times.
Not sure, how much time did you spend reading the thread instead of watching anime/doing other pointless stuff?
Patlabor: The Movie
That was a pretty great thing. I wasn't expecting an operating system mystery, but it makes a lot of sense. If you're the kind of person who likes traditional mechanical animation, '80s futurism, '80s display porn(including quaintly primitive '80s CGI), and '80s music, then you should obviously watch this film as soon as is reasonably possible.
Oshii strikes a great balance here between his introspective philosophizing and character-based fun. The film features a large cast of characters with distinct personalities and outlooks, and even without watching the OVA first, it's pretty easy to get a handle on the character relationships. Also, Noa is totally moe.
All of the design work, layouts, etc. are outstanding and do a fantastic job of establishing a tangible backdrop for the story. I have to especially call out the fantastic, wordless montage sequences with the investigators in the abandoned Tokyo districts. No one has quite the same knack as Oshii for making a city itself a living, breathing character. The eerie music, the starkly lit dilapidated buildings, and the strikingly dramatic way in which they're framed, along with the potent usage of symbols, all combine to create a disquieting atmosphere, the feeling that something just isn't quite right, and the revelation that
entirely makes sense in light of that.
And speaking of the thematic implications of the work itself, there's a lot of Angel's Egg in this movie. You have
, and at the end of the film,
Not too subtle, Oshii! Although I'm impressed at how he worked this fairly seamlessly into a story about malicious software.
That was a pretty great thing. I wasn't expecting an operating system mystery, but it makes a lot of sense. If you're the kind of person who likes traditional mechanical animation, '80s futurism, '80s display porn(including quaintly primitive '80s CGI), and '80s music, then you should obviously watch this film as soon as is reasonably possible.
Oshii strikes a great balance here between his introspective philosophizing and character-based fun. The film features a large cast of characters with distinct personalities and outlooks, and even without watching the OVA first, it's pretty easy to get a handle on the character relationships. Also, Noa is totally moe.
All of the design work, layouts, etc. are outstanding and do a fantastic job of establishing a tangible backdrop for the story. I have to especially call out the fantastic, wordless montage sequences with the investigators in the abandoned Tokyo districts. No one has quite the same knack as Oshii for making a city itself a living, breathing character. The eerie music, the starkly lit dilapidated buildings, and the strikingly dramatic way in which they're framed, along with the potent usage of symbols, all combine to create a disquieting atmosphere, the feeling that something just isn't quite right, and the revelation that
the robots are going berserk because of sounds created from the acoustics of buildings that are beyond the range of human hearing
And speaking of the thematic implications of the work itself, there's a lot of Angel's Egg in this movie. You have
"Jehovah" using the works of unwitting humankind for his own destructive schemes
mankind climbs the tower of "Babel" using its technology in order to confront "Jehovah," but when they arrive he was Corvodead all along. And then they destroy his "Ark."
PshycoNinja
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I was actually talking about a character that I don't think is introduced in the early episodes. You'll know when you meet him because Hiki will say the funniest things.
so yeah, anime.
She's not going to be able to maintain that metabolism once she gets older.
I miss you AWESOMEBEAR ;_;
Well, other than that one crazy irresponsible guy.
Hey, you can plan all you like, but the situation on the ground is always fluid!
striferser
Huge Nickleback Fan
He's that good at gun, i guess?
He is also the current holder of the longest light novel title with
"Danshi Kōkōsei de Urekko Raito Noberu Sakka o Shi te Iru Keredo, Toshishita no Kurasumeito de Seiyū no Onnanoko ni Kubi o Shimerare te Iru. -Time to Play-"
or
"You're the Most Popular Light Novel Author at the All Boy's High School, but you're Being Strangled by your Junior who is also a Voice Actress? 。―Time to Play―"
Can't wait till it get animated,
You too ;_;
We all know he was the true hero that night. That was some 300 shit, brah.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Wow we finally got a new thread. Nice!
isnt it adorable? *pokes it
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I took a good long peek at the Archives book that came with the limited edition, and it's excellent. In addition to concept art and character profiles (Oota's actually described as having a really strong sense of duty, even if he tends to use excessive force. He moved into SV2 so he could take a stronger role in dealing with Labor crimes), there are loads of translated interviews with Oshii and the other staff that worked on the movie, and even some of the location photos of Tokyo that they took in 1989 to establish their setting.
I'll try to dive deeper into the interviews during the week and see if I can find some interesting parts. That I got these for ~$10 each feels like robbery.
I'll try to dive deeper into the interviews during the week and see if I can find some interesting parts. That I got these for ~$10 each feels like robbery.
Deputy Dangle
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Now that I'm thinking about it again, I loved that small scene when Noa actually has to step out of the Labor to manually insert each bullet into the gun's cylinder. That's one way to reinforce that these robots weren't made with combat being its primary purpose.
Man you guys made me want to rewatch Patlabor movies, I really like that first movie. would be interesting to see reaction for the 2nd one, I wonder if the opinion gonna be more divisive.. I write little impression about it back then to how I'm not too satisfied with it, but its certainly could invoke different reaction and despite what I said, I'd still like to revisit it in future.
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
I should finish up toradora
cosmicblizzard
Banned
Akuma no Riddle 2
I feel like these characters have a lot of potential, but they aren't really doing very interesting things beyond some great expressions. Will stick with it for now in hopes of stuff like that actually happening.
I feel like these characters have a lot of potential, but they aren't really doing very interesting things beyond some great expressions. Will stick with it for now in hopes of stuff like that actually happening.
Hmm. Its been a while since I watched it, but I thought it was of a uniform quality for the most part.
Turin Turambar
Member
Manga and anime isn't the same. There are parts that can and should be done faster in anime, and parts where it makes sense to use up more time. Also, you can read manga faster that you can watch it.
At first, the HxH anime was adapting 3 chapters per episode! and now that rhythm has fallen. I think in the last 5 episodes the pace has slowed down a bit too much.
Turin Turambar
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I don't think a anime would work. Dorohedoro without a dirty, messy b&w art style isn't Dorohedoro...
Turin Turambar
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And yeah, I think Code Geass should be dropped from "the List". It is way in another level in comparison with the rest. There is a difference between "legit entertainment though in the second season it fell in a cliff" to "super bad, so bad that some masochist people watch it as something ironically good, but it's still bad".
There aren't redemption values in most of these shows, and there is redemption in CG. I witnessed a very very long discussion about the relative morality of Suzaku and Lelouch, for example.
There aren't redemption values in most of these shows, and there is redemption in CG. I witnessed a very very long discussion about the relative morality of Suzaku and Lelouch, for example.
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