Lupin25
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They would’ve tried selling on Xb the whole time if that were the case. SE won’t get much profit from Xb ports or gamepass.
PC & NSW Super should be on the table day 1 going forward though, no excuse.
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Square Enix will "aggressively pursue a multiplatform strategy that includes Nintendo platforms, PlayStation, Xbox, and PCs"
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They would’ve tried selling on Xb the whole time if that were the case. SE won’t get much profit from Xb ports or gamepass.
PC & NSW Super should be on the table day 1 going forward though, no excuse.
Markio128
Member
By the time FF17 is released, the Switch 2 would likely be obsolete.
The most likely scenario is ports of FF16, and a triple pack of FF7 remake once the 3rd instalment has been released, on all consoles/PC.
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TheDarkPhantom
Member
Cool, where is Triangle Strategy on PS5?
akaFullmetal
Member
They have been doing this, just not for all games. Either way more people will enjoy their games, that's a good thing.
Well, you have a presentation with P. Spencer together with the new Boss of Square accompanied by the most important/prominent figure in the development of FF games at Square's biggest event of the year a little over 1'5 month ago announcing greater collaboration and the arrival of more big games from Square to Xbox (and practically anticipating FF ports)..... I don't think that agreement has been broken overnight.
Of course, and that is why only the FF games purchased by Sony are the only ones that have not reached Xbox versions and that is why Square has announced that more games will come to Xbox, abandoning exclusivity agreements.....
Then look at Capcom, Sega, Bandai, Atlus etc... and ask them why they are releasing their games on XBOX if there is supposedly not a single incentive to do so
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StereoVsn
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DQ XI was a huge success for SE on the Switch in terms of sales. The issue is that as always with SE they took a shortcut and didn’t have better textures and audio available for PC and PS4 (and Xbox if it released there).
Calverz
Gold Member
When you make a deal with the devil, be prepared to pay.
StereoVsn
Member
FVII Remake 1&2 Collection near Switch 2 release would be a vary savvy move. That of course means SE won’t do that.
Dazraell
Member
I mean, they had that double pack with Remake and Rebirth for PS5 for a price of the single game, so it's not completely out of question
Punished Miku
Member
Foamstars, Forspoken, Babylon's Fall, and Valkyrie Elysium also bombed.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Looks like Rebirth's disappointing sales aren't going unnoticed.
Punished Miku
Member
They said this a while ago on stage at that FFXIV event, but didn't add "aggressively" until now. It's pretty much every exclusive this whole gen underperforming for them, including FFXVI. Plainly obvious to everyone for years. Each entry is decreasing in sales. Multiple people pointed this out for years.
Lupin25
Member
Well, you have a presentation with P. Spencer together with the new Boss of Square accompanied by the most important/prominent figure in the development of FF games at Square's biggest event of the year a little over 1'5 month ago announcing greater collaboration and the arrival of more big games from Square to Xbox (and practically anticipating FF ports)..... I don't think that agreement has been broken overnight.
Of course, and that is why only the FF games purchased by Sony are the only ones that have not reached Xbox versions and that is why Square has announced that more games will come to Xbox, abandoning exclusivity agreements.....
Then look at Capcom, Sega, Bandai, Atlus etc... and ask them why they are releasing their games on XBOX if there is supposedly not a single incentive to do so
I meant profit. MS foots the bill for a few games, but how much does SE actually make in return, while other consumers wait for them on gamepass?
SE’s financial report suggests they’re not doing that bad, but “growth” since Covid-19, is a big problem.
“In terms of net sales from video games, Square Enix saw an increase of approx. 1.06% year-on-year from $1.57 billion to $1.59 billion(approximate figures due to currency conversion from YEN to USD). The company sold 26.32 million units in total compared to FY23's 20.19 million units.”
https://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ir/pdf/24q4slides.pdf
A game like Foamstars also isn’t helping them either. SE can’t afford to have throwaway titles and say, “well, the problem is mostly exclusivity..” They need more games to invest in outside of FF.
Their pipeline isn't as tenable as Capcom’s who have RE, Monster Hunter, Dragon’s Dogma, etc.
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LordCBH
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That’s another big part. Can’t release games of mediocre (at best) quality either. The FF titles the past few years have been bangers, but stuff like Forspoken and Babylon’s Fall heavily contribute to their overall rep being in the toilet.
GHG
Gold Member
Oh sorry, would you have preferred I type out a brand new post just for you?
Don't worry, just remember we are all here for you when the inevitable happens.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
GHG
Gold Member
Adam, he's already worn out from getting fucked by Phil.
I can't compete with that.
Jinzo Prime
Gold Member
Do you think they would have sold better as exclusives?
foamdino
Member
This is 100% about the switch2 launching next year. A new device that has the fidelity of PS4+ (with DLSS) and snappy loading and decent ram. Yeah *many many* more of the Square titles will fit more easily on that than on the old switch.
Anything released on the switch2 in it's launch year will also sell gangbusters - you'd have to be a fool not to support it out of the gate.
Anything released on the switch2 in it's launch year will also sell gangbusters - you'd have to be a fool not to support it out of the gate.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
I played 20 mins of the FFXVI demo and decided to wait for PC after witnessing that terrible performance. Now Ill wait til it’s on Steam and under $20. It would also help if Square made better AAA games. The last big budget game they made that I really enjoyed was Nier Automata.
Fabieter
Member
Babylonia fall and forspoken were also on pc. Didn't save anything. Most of their aa games were on xbox and switch.
They had a 2 big ps exclusives and a few smaller switch exclusives. I wouldn't even say the quality isn't there. They just don't know how to market their games the right way.
Punished Miku
Member
I'm not claiming they're amazing games. I'm just saying they were console exclusives, and they bombed. I have to play the game for myself to judge. I would have definitely purchased Valkyrie Elysium on Xbox since it's made by Soleil. Forspoken, I'd pick it up on a sale. Even discount sales are sales. PC sells most stuff at a discount for years.
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TheGodfather07
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Leaving PC out is the dumb choice. Nintendo would be a huge benefit but then you have the weak hardware problem. Which means you'll need to make a whole different watered down version. Xbox? Lol. Brand is in a laughable state. Its barely worth porting games to it at this point.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Hilarious stuff
Gen Z is not buying anything. And the next generation is literally growing up with F2P PC and mobile games...
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Punished Miku
Member
Hope everyone on here now realizes how hard they got gaslit by Sony fanboys anytime it was pointed out that sales were even slightly disappointing.
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Little Chicken
Member
People are clearly upset that his includes Xbox. It's OK, the games will be on all platforms now, we can stop pretending FFXVI is good.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
If they ever put 16 on Xbox, the better VRR will work wonders for the Performance mode. As it is, it drops to the mid to low 40's far too often to be viable on PS5's limited VRR range.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
FF16 drug the company down for sure.
Poor super awesome FF7re had to follow that up.
drganon
Member
Two retards getting fucked by a conman, what a love story.
Jinzo Prime
Gold Member
Valkyrie Elysium isn't on Xbox yet? Sorry, just ignore that comment, it is hard to keep track of what Square keeps exclusive and what they don't!
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
HD titles... SD titles...
Square still has no clue on what those mean.
Square still has no clue on what those mean.
MatrixReloaded101
Member
I have a hard time believing they can ship a well optimized game day one on PC.
The multiplatform day one release sounds good in theory but good luck shipping a well optimized AAA game across all platforms on day one. They could barely do this with FF16 when it is PS5 exclusive.
They got to make sure the quality is there across the board.
The multiplatform day one release sounds good in theory but good luck shipping a well optimized AAA game across all platforms on day one. They could barely do this with FF16 when it is PS5 exclusive.
They got to make sure the quality is there across the board.
balls of snow
Member
Thats what I mean, only oldies will keep buying these games. Put it on as much hardware as possible. Get it on steam day 1.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Well we can put it at rest that "FF is a system seller" considering that it cannot even sell itself
But I welcome Persona overlords.
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Topher
Gold Member
Good. Less of this timed exclusivity nonsense is better for gamers.
Babylons Fall and Forspoken were poorly received. Mediocre games are rarely going to "save anything" regardless what platform they are on. Going fully multiplatform makes the most sense to generate the maximum amount of revenue.
Babylons Fall and Forspoken were poorly received. Mediocre games are rarely going to "save anything" regardless what platform they are on. Going fully multiplatform makes the most sense to generate the maximum amount of revenue.
Same ol G
Member
Yeah so... the big money and brand recognition is in the mainline games that are platform exclusive and also didn't those games review poorly?
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Punished Miku
Member
A game reviewing poorly means even more reason to put it on everything since you embargo reviews to day of, and can get pre-orders then. But hey, it's not my company. SQEX will do what they want to do.
Fabieter
Member
That doesnt mean either ff did that much damage to them. You know that all their AA ain't exactly cheap either and they did alot of them the last few years, most of them on multiple platforms. To say this is completely on exclusives is stupid.
LordCBH
Member
They also recently canceled a lot of internal projects, which is part of why they had such poor results.
Punished Miku
Member
I didn't ever say that. I think SQEX has numerous problems.
Putting your A-team on a decade long slow motion remake will go down as possibly the dumbest decision in the history of the company. A few of their AA games suck, but most of them are actually fantastic. Even the great ones though, they released way too close together. The list goes on. It's a really strange company.
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BennyBlanco
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