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Star Fox Zero & Guard - $36 at Amazon (Do a Bomba roll, Fox!)
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I played this at a friend's house and I really liked it, but I still wouldn't say it's fair to recommend ignoring any dissenting opinion. The controls really are super divisive and while I was fine with them for example my friend totally hated the game.
There should've been a demo but that probably would've also turned people off, lol.
There should've been a demo but that probably would've also turned people off, lol.
The problem with a demo is that the game gets better with experience, and does not give first impressions well. Wonderful 101 was similar in that regard.
Guard should get a public demo though since that's really not hard to learn.
Zero is really the first Star Fox I find truly engaging. Being able to fly in separate direction from where you're shooting i.e. fire at any enemy one way, while dodging an obstacle another way just opens up the game in amazing ways. You can even shoot targets that have flown past you or that are parallel to you, which eliminates a point of frustration I had with SF64 where I couldn't shoot everything once it passed me.
The dogfights are also a lot more intense now. You can track your enemy's position with the cinematic cam, which allows the designers to make Star Wolf more evasive/aggressive. It really feels like you're in the trench run in Star Wars, banking hard by slamming both sticks left or right, lining up a shot in cockpit view. "I have you now!"
So yeah, I wound up really enjoying it. I expected to hate it going in, as people will recall from the pre-release threads, but it ended up winning me over.
The dogfights are also a lot more intense now. You can track your enemy's position with the cinematic cam, which allows the designers to make Star Wolf more evasive/aggressive. It really feels like you're in the trench run in Star Wars, banking hard by slamming both sticks left or right, lining up a shot in cockpit view. "I have you now!"
So yeah, I wound up really enjoying it. I expected to hate it going in, as people will recall from the pre-release threads, but it ended up winning me over.
Woof. You're so h4rdc0r3, dude.
HUELEN10
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To have this happen so soon after THE first-half flagship Wii U title?
Unfortunately, this totally qualifies for this.
Unfortunately, this totally qualifies for this.
Agreed. But then once it's sold out, as always happens, it will become crazy pricy.
I'll wait for $20 tbh, they can keep the guard game too
let the price drop continue
See above. It might not get much lower before it starts getting hard to find, but it's tough to predict.
StrangeRoboMemory
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Kind of interested in this, 30 bucks or so seems right for both games. I live in Canada now, though. This is my Amazon.ca page for Star Fox Zero -
List Price: CDN$ 74.99
Price: CDN$ 74.89 & FREE Shipping. Details
You Save: CDN$ 0.10
Free shipping tho
List Price: CDN$ 74.99
Price: CDN$ 74.89 & FREE Shipping. Details
You Save: CDN$ 0.10
Free shipping tho
Devilgunman
Member
When this scenario happens I always go with the hate-it side and wait a little longer until the price goes down to the impulse-buying range (< $20.)
If I somehow really really want to play this game in the future I would just buy it from the eshop.
Camp1nCarl
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Nintendo games don't usually go on sale, but they do sometimes on Black Friday and I'm willing to bet this is going to be around $25 then.
Already Torn
Banned
Still too much for me. Maybe when it's sub-$20?
That's interesting, because with Kid Icarus Uprising I learned that the general press and public can let something as superficial and adaptable as controls get in the way when one of the greatest experiences of all time is staring them in the face.
Barrel Cannon
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Shame about the huge price drop but I feel rail shooters don't have room for big budget releases so the price drop makes sense. These games were always designed to be replayed over and over and some of the best ones made more sense as you replayed them over and over and learned the intricacies of their gameplay systems. Star Fox Zero is the Gunvalkyrie of the Wii U. If you understand that reference then you will understand what type of learning curve this game has.
I feel for the most part people just feel entitled after playing videogames for many years that they want/expect games to control a certain way and are unwilling to learn new methods despite how potentially amazing they can be.
It's unfortunate for those who have huge amount of trouble learning to adapt to the new control method this late in your life as they will be unable to experience one of the best singleplayer experiences to take advantage of the Wii U pad's screen.
I feel for the most part people just feel entitled after playing videogames for many years that they want/expect games to control a certain way and are unwilling to learn new methods despite how potentially amazing they can be.
It's unfortunate for those who have huge amount of trouble learning to adapt to the new control method this late in your life as they will be unable to experience one of the best singleplayer experiences to take advantage of the Wii U pad's screen.
Already Torn
Banned
Kid Icarus had bad controls (the higher difficulties are unplayable), but it made up for it because of how good the story and writing were. The part when you can tell Uprising is something special is when you realize that what you thought was just a retread of the first game's story is actually just a prologue to the larger story. In Star Fox Zero, the even more direct retelling of the first game's story is actually just the whole game.
Barrel Cannon
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Kid Icarus had genuinely bad controls. It defeated the purpose of having a handheld game when you had to hold it a certain way that wasn't comfortable while being anywhere that didnt have a table
VivaciousSoul
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According to Keepa it looks like Amazon has been playing with the price for at least a week now.
Looks like the price is on the way back up but who knows where it will end up.
Looks like the price is on the way back up but who knows where it will end up.
You and me both, bro. I just know some people are more into the physical collection side of things than we are.
Yea, how dare people let something as superficial as controls for a game get in the way of enjoying it. pfft Get better, am I rite?
*rolleyes*
Empyrean Heaven
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I see 39.07 for the price...
I guess it keeps rising and fluctuating, per post #72.
Thank god, I thought I was the only one! Game is brilliant.
Can we please not start this stupid idea that anyone who enjoys this game is simply forcing themselves to like it again? I legitimately enjoy the game to the point that SF64 actually becomes a bit of a hassle to play through now. I realize its a polarizing game but its reception has become the only thing about it people seem to want to talk about here and is pretty much the main reason I dropped posting in the OT like a rock.
randomengine
Banned
I won't order from Amazon at any price.
That's a fair assessment. I don't regard SFZ nearly as high as Uprising (although zero probably still cracks my top 20, personally).
Kid Icarus's controls are far more superficial than the ones in Zero (it's controls are incredibly simple once you get down to it, with a few garnishes that are usually not necessary). You can adjust. I was using the circle pad pro for the love of God almighty and people were struggling with the system by itself.
Zero is a more interesting learning curve and is more entwined with the spirit of the game. Learning the controls is the game's primary form of progression given that the campaign itself is so short.
It's fascinating, really. I've become enthralled with the black sheep titles, the oft-rejected. Just over the past week I was finishing up Wario Master of Disguise and the moment I booted up my old save I was having more fun than I ever did in Wario Land 4.
Okami Haundo
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I didn't word that correctly, my apologies. Best Buy's official policy is that you can either use GCU or price-match, but they won't do both. If you get someone to do both, you're just extremely lucky. I meant to say that I just want Best Buy to drop their own price to $39.99 so I can actually use GCU.
Ah, I see. That makes sense. That way you could save even more than the Amazon listed price (which evidently is creeping up anyway). Thanks for the clarification, and certainly no apology necessary!
Jon Carter
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The controls are actually the main reason I'm interested in the game. It's new. The Wii U was meant to offer new gameplay.
Jawmuncher
Member
Went back up to $40. No thanks.
Coffee Dog
Banned
Mechanically, zero is the best star fox. It also has some of the best stages in the entire star fox series.
At the same time, it's insanely low budget (in both presentation and content) and it requires you to learn from scratch how to pat your head and rub your stomach at the same time.
Personally, I like the game quite a bit but I also never really struggled with the controls as much as some. Whenever I feel like playing star fox, this is the only one I'd consider worth booting up alongside 64 and the original.
At the same time, it's insanely low budget (in both presentation and content) and it requires you to learn from scratch how to pat your head and rub your stomach at the same time.
Personally, I like the game quite a bit but I also never really struggled with the controls as much as some. Whenever I feel like playing star fox, this is the only one I'd consider worth booting up alongside 64 and the original.
The game is fun and tickles my Nostalgia bone, I'll say its better than 64 in the variety of stages, but its hurt by the pacing, that 64 was just much better at and what made it so replayable.
If you have enjoyed Star Fox in any way or form, or just want to support Platinum Games, go for it, at worst you'll get two decent games, at best you might get your favorite in the franchise.
Also, a reminder that Star Fox 64 3D got to bomba levels early on to then get extremely hard to find, Nintendo can be weird with restocks.
If you have enjoyed Star Fox in any way or form, or just want to support Platinum Games, go for it, at worst you'll get two decent games, at best you might get your favorite in the franchise.
Also, a reminder that Star Fox 64 3D got to bomba levels early on to then get extremely hard to find, Nintendo can be weird with restocks.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Movalpolos
Banned
Still not even worth it.
AgentOtaku
Member
Wouldn't say it's an abysmal game but a lot of this is very valid unfortunately
For me, the game gets by pretty much on nostalgia and charm...
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
I agree.
I have to agree. It's a shame that the learning curve for the controls left such a bad taste in the mouths of so many reviewers, because like you it's easily my favorite Starfox game. The arwing is so agile an responsive with the twin stick controls, and aiming with the controller becomes second nature after a few levels.
As a reboot of Starfox 64, it was a bold move to screw with the one game people have felt was the best one of its kind for years, but they handled it very capably and give nods to the old game that make me smile. Also the end credits made me cry a little, but not for anything related to Starfox in particular.
Also, the Co-op where one player is the gunner was a brilliant add-on that they didn't need to do, but the game is super fun that way!
Empyrean Heaven
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Bought it for $41 and now it steadily goes down in price. Oh, and Amazon doesn't have price protection on games
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