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STEAM | March 2015 - Have you seen MRORANGE?

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Majukun

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check this thread
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=865904

you also should read the text file that comes with idle master (or used to, with earlier versions, not sure about now) how to setup and run it.

already did that....
anyway it seems that it is working..just it isn't showing what games is currently idleing..but i got the first drop so it seems that it's doing its job..thanks anyway


next question...do i want the square easter pack?how good was the last of this kind of offers from square?
 

Arthea

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already did that....
anyway it seems that it is working..just it isn't showing what games is currently idleing..but i got the first drop so it seems that it's doing its job..thanks anyway


next question...do i want the square easter pack?how good was the last of this kind of offers from square?

it depends on how many SE games you have, their Xmas packs were really good, I don't think they did Easter one before, it's cheaper so probably won't be as good.
Don't expect FF games, though, these never are bundled or packed into surprise packs. SE is free to prove me wrong, of course.
 

zkylon

zkylewd
any programmers here know any good editors for coffeescript? i just want some kind of debugging because two hours of javascript gave me a headache

and i had that headache a few hours before and it went away and i was like yay but then stupid javascript ruined my evening

I know it's not easy to do a proper enemy placement, I only stated it's easy implement it into the game (like swap coordinates saying "X enemy should spawn on D4").
It's like if Blizzard ask you money to grab a rebalancing patch. That is what From did here, my point was around this thing.
i think you really underrate the difficulty of grabbing a whole game and retouching most if not all its encounters (as well as apparently adding new shortcuts?)

it's way easier to balance stats, which is why from themselves have patched the game for free a good number of times already.

is x weapon too strong? just nerf it by y%

the question of an encounter is much more complicated because it's often "is this encounter not interesting enough?" or "is it too frustrating?" and the answers to those questions are complicated as well because you can't really add more enemies or remove more enemies and be done with it

i'm guessing the changes from made were actually well-thought out and address many of the problems in dark souls 2's level and encounter design, by creating new and exciting fights that can be unexpected or thrilling or whatever

hopefully scamco didn't ruin that too

Sorry, can all of you read my posts? I mean it's easy to achieve from a tech side, and I stated this from my first post. Otherwise study a proper enemy placement require work, but I don't know if the new enemy placement is good or not. I only stated in tech terms swap enemies within the map is easy.

From what I saw in the official trailer released by From, it seems they just increased the number of enemies, but that was a trailer.
that's not necessarily correct

for instance, they put an ogre on the way to the bonfire leading to the castle in forest of fallen giants

which if you think about it makes that area a whole lot more interesting since now you have to deal with that big guy as well as the zombie soldiers and just run around trying to dodge its attacks trying not to trigger other enemies from noticing you and chasing after you

and like you get to defeat a strong enemy early on so that bonfire feels like a reward for your progress

that's a cool addition and i think it's why that update sounded so interesting

it's important to know also in regards to my original opinion on these changes that from initially said (or at least wasn't clear enough about it) that the enemy placement portion of the update would be free. my guess is that they felt that the next-gen version was light on content so they changed their minds, but yeah, i was a lot more positive about the scholar of the first sin crap when the enemy placement stuff wasn't locked behind a paywall and the playerbase wasn't going to be split
 

Deques

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Sorry, but they don't neet just to open a console and put something like "X enemy spawns in D4"? As I wrote study a new enemy placement is demanding in terms of time, but implementing it it's very easy. I don't know how good is the new enemy placement, but is it really worth 20€? And why in the first place they did a whole, new enemy placement? Weren't they satisfied by the old one? If so, why?


A lot of questions here. I'm not saying the update is useless or uninteresting, only that it's not 20€ interesting.

Are you saying that new enemy placement is the only thing they did?
 

Arthea

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We should start taking bets on what will release first: Owlboy or Stardew.

Stardew is releasing this year btw, as is Wild Season, unless... devs will change their mind

edited: one hour left. I should do countdown clock, but too lazy for that
also there are like three people that bought it, we'll laugh so hard in an hour
or cry (><)
 

titch

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I'm changing it back to make him feel more guilty.

I like this one better :)

I've been gone all day and am just now going through the PoE thread... man that's a lot of bugs that are gamebreaking. I'm guessing everyone's holding off on playing now until a patch or two comes out...

Felt bad for not starting it already but kinda glad I held off for now.

Soon we will find out what is in that Square Enix surprise :D Expect giveaways because i already own most of the SE games (except FF).

Same here hoping for Osiris but expecting Guardian/dupes.
 

zkylon

zkylewd
Sorry, but they don't neet just to open a console and put something like "X enemy spawns in D4"? As I wrote study a new enemy placement is demanding in terms of time, but implementing it it's very easy. I don't know how good is the new enemy placement, but is it really worth 20&#8364;? And why in the first place they did a whole, new enemy placement? Weren't they satisfied by the old one? If so, why?


A lot of questions here. I'm not saying the update is useless or uninteresting, only that it's not 20&#8364; interesting.
they don't use a console, they surely use a proprietary level editor or maybe import it from maya somehow or whatever devs do.

it doesn't matter how difficult "implementing it" is, because there's design effort behind it.

it doesn't take much for a designer to say "there's a health bar in my game", but the intricacies of how it works and how it looks are difficulties programmers and artists and ux people are tasked with, not to mention qa.

and besides, there are other hurdles about implementing enemies themselves as every enemy in the souls games has a unique aggro range, they sometimes have scripted responses when they spot you, sometimes they walk around and have to be set on a patrol path, sometimes they ambush you, etc. and again all that needs to be thoroughly tested and balanced across multiple playthroughs and different builds, so actually, implementing it is also pretty darn hard

the whole enemy placement thing is a big deal, it's just an overpriced big deal and a slap in the face to people that supported the game day one, while also being in detriment for new players because even if they save a few bucks they get to only play with (at most) half the playerbase.

why the update is needed in the first place is worth asking but tbh i think most people would be willing to let it go if it was reasonably priced
 

zkylon

zkylewd
mind you it's actually really good value for new players

50 bucks for the "definitive super fun encounters edition" and all the dlc is pretty sweet

it's just that it should've been free for people like me that actually preordered everything and didn't even get all that mad at from when they made a horror dungeon of spiders
 

zkylon

zkylewd
u should wait for the update/remaster/patch/whatever

the second half of divinity is pretty crap, unfortunately. at least nowhere near as strong as the first half, to be fair
 

Knurek

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I think I might start Divinity OS and wait 3 months or something until they patch PoE :\

I'd play BGEE and BG2EE, since they are patched and good to go.
Then I'd play DOS v2.0 which will come out soonish.
And only then I'd play PoE, since, you know, Obsidian and bugs come together like Milamber and tentacle porn.
 

Deques

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Uhu, I'm not arguing against the new enemy placement. As I wrote, I don't know how good it is, or even if it's just bad. I don't know. I'm arguing because they applied on PC the same policy they adopted from PS3>PS4 passage. Patch should always be free, and if you want add a Master Quest thing nice, you are free to do it. You are adding new contents? That's ok, you are in the right of charging people, you did some work here. You can't, otherwise, asking people 20€ for something they already own at least for a 99%. Meanwhile, offering features like DX11 that should already be in the game.

This is my point. 5€ like SE asked for Deus Ex DC (and I think those were even a good chunk of money, because really SE here just patched a couple of things adding NOTHING new at all) should be enough. It's still a good amount of money if you think about PC installed base owning the game.



In fact it's a good deal for people without the game. It's a crappy deal for owners of the game instead.

If I remember correctly you were complaining about the updated version of A.R.E.S. Extinction Agenda EX. They added new content and revised a lot of stuff. Yet you complained about the upgrade price
 

Arthea

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I'd play BGEE and BG2EE, since they are patched and good to go.
Then I'd play DOS v2.0 which will come out soonish.
And only then I'd play PoE, since, you know, Obsidian and bugs come together like Milamber and tentacle porn.

It's painful to see how you don't mention Trails which is fully patched and ready to go! Not to mention SC is coming soonish.

What is this Divnity: OS 2.0?

improved DoS 1.0
 

Knurek

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This is my point. 5&#8364; like SE asked for Deus Ex DC (and I think those were even a good chunk of money, because really SE here just patched a couple of things adding NOTHING new at all) should be enough. It's still a good amount of money if you think about PC installed base owning the game.

A very interesting developer's commentary, revised boss fights, less pronounced piss filter.
(Probably more, writing this off the top of my head).
 

zkylon

zkylewd
Uhu, I'm not arguing against the new enemy placement. As I wrote, I don't know how good it is, or even if it's just bad. I don't know. I'm arguing because they applied on PC the same policy they adopted from PS3>PS4 passage. Patch should always be free, and if you want add a Master Quest thing nice, you are free to do it. You are adding new contents? That's ok, you are in the right of charging people, you did some work here. You can't, otherwise, asking people 20&#8364; for something they already own at least for a 99%. Meanwhile, offering features like DX11 that should already be in the game.

This is my point. 5&#8364; like SE asked for Deus Ex DC (and I think those were even a good chunk of money, because really SE here just patched a couple of things adding NOTHING new at all) should be enough. It's still a good amount of money if you think about PC installed base owning the game.
actually the dxhr complete thing was pretty cool cos it also had dev commentary

but yeah, this thing is super overpriced

personally i think i could've gone 10 bucks like the other dlc, because the idea of playing the game all mixed up sounds great to me. probably should've been free, but you know, we can meet half-way

this is just abusive from bamco

What is this DIvnity: OS 2.0?
free upgrade iirc that fleshens out the game because the game is also coming out on consoles?

don't take my word for it tho, it's really late and my memory is fuzzy

A very interesting developer's commentary, revised boss fights, less pronounced piss filter.
(Probably more, writing this off the top of my head).
oh forgot about the bosses

i kinda want to play it again someday, but i already beat it twice, feels too much time devoted to a single game

you know that isn't league
 

Deques

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Dunno, probably, even if I'm not into Ares. Basically I "complained" against Guacamelee new version too, that is for sure, but just because I'm against those "new versions" while you can simply add all those changes as a DLC.

You are pretty much complaining all the +1s that JaseC wants XD
 

Arthea

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I was right! Life is strange is easter surprise. Gosh how SE never fails to deliver what I want!

full list:
Life is Strange (wait... it seems to be only first episode, will confirm soon)
Just Cause collection
Deus Ex
Hitman

edited: discounts on Osiris and Life is Strange
 

Deques

Member
The Easter surprise box! It's not revealed yet?

I was right! Life is strange is easter surprise. Gosh how SE never fails to deliver what I want!

full list:
Life is Strange (wait... it seems to be only first episode, will confirm soon)
Just Cause collection
Deus Ex
Hitman

edited: discounts on Osiris and Life is Strange

You got the games? Mine is still showing pre-order...
 

Arthea

Member
yeah... it's only the first episode that is in a surprise box, oh well

The Easter surprise box! It's not revealed yet?

You got the games? Mine is still showing pre-order...

not yet, they'll start delivering those 5 hours later only, now just deal ended and they revealed contents

edited: about discounts:
-20% of Life is Strange season pass
-50 on Osiris

meh...
 

Deques

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yeah... it's only the first episode that is in a surprise box, oh well



not yet, they'll start delivering those 5 hours later only, now just deal ended and they revealed contents

edited: about discounts:
-20% of Life is Strange season pass
-50 on Osiris

meh...

Surprisingly low for a discount from Square Enix

Is Hitman a +1 to the library or it only adds dlcs to the current one?
 
we are waiting for DoS 2.0, just reminding, unless you'll want to start that over after 2.0 is released.

I'd play BGEE and BG2EE, since they are patched and good to go.
Then I'd play DOS v2.0 which will come out soonish.
And only then I'd play PoE, since, you know, Obsidian and bugs come together like Milamber and tentacle porn.

Right, I forgot about Divinity OS 2.0 :( did they say release date?
Gues I'll play with TiTs :p

I was right! Life is strange is easter surprise. Gosh how SE never fails to deliver what I want!

full list:
Life is Strange (wait... it seems to be only first episode, will confirm soon)
Just Cause collection
Deus Ex
Hitman

edited: discounts on Osiris and Life is Strange

Hell it contains Life is Strange :l

I don't want to be Ninjen right now lol.

EDIT:Ep 1 only, Ninjen you are save :D

Phewwww.. :)
 

Arthea

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Wow that is one lame bundle in comparison with previous one. They could add Osiris at least.

It would have been great if they included full Life is Strange, but they didn't, I hoped they will. And yeah, Osiris definitelly would have helped. I guess they saved it for Xmas pack. ;)

edited: basically what we've learnt today - wait for SE Xmas surprise box.jpg
 

Deques

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Finally done idling Pillars of Eternity. It took 6.4 hours for 4 cards. Wasteland 2 took 12.6 hours for 8 cards. So both are fighting for the first place of longest card drop time

It would have been great if they included full Life is Strange, but they didn't, I hoped they will. And yeah, Osiris definitelly would have helped. I guess they saved it for Xmas pack. ;)

edited: basically what we've learnt today - wait for SE Xmas surprise box.jpg

I should have never bought the pack at all, like I said earlier, I pretty much got most of Square Enix games >.<
 

Patison

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I wanted to finally get Just Cause 2 so it's not that bad, but I was hoping for more. I guess I'll buy the rest of the LiS episodes when they receive massive discount on steam.
 

dex3108

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It would have been great if they included full Life is Strange, but they didn't, I hoped they will. And yeah, Osiris definitelly would have helped. I guess they saved it for Xmas pack. ;)

Osiris price dropped so fast and i really thought that we will see it on this pack. I hoped for Kane & Lynch Collection too. Oh well i will get Hitman Absolution Elite content that is +X for DLC count :D

P.S. I think that Squeenix did false advertising with this package. There is only Life is Strange on that image and they didn't mentioned Episode 1 at all on that image.

01see1907750_01.jpg
 

Patison

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The game has some problems with Win 8.1, at least for me. It crashes a lot, I also needed to set Win XP comp to make it work, otherwise during cutscenes I had background destroyed like when your ram is going.

That's sad to hear man. Thankfully I'm still on Win7 (and patiently waiting for 10), so I hope there won't be any problems.
 

Arthea

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It will be my fifth or sixth Just Cause collection, I honestly lost count (><)
I don't mind, actually, as it's a really nice gift for someone that never played it, unfortunately... soon it will be hard to find anyone not having it, by this rate
 
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