weak.Eid said:Don't know why everyone is so worked up about this. People die everyday, and just because he's some rich guy doesn't mean it shouldn't happen to him.
weak.Eid said:Don't know why everyone is so worked up about this. People die everyday, and just because he's some rich guy doesn't mean it shouldn't happen to him.
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iDiotEid said:Don't know why everyone is so worked up about this. People die everyday, and just because he's some rich guy doesn't mean it shouldn't happen to him.
lol, I read the first three paragraphs. They'll get a lot of hits from that article.Paradoxal_Utopia said:One of the most dispicable, insensitive, inaccurate, hate-filled article I've ever read. Amazing how these people make a living writing drivel such as this.
http://news.techeye.net/business/whats-next-for-apple-now-jobs-has-gone
Get a clue. Bill Gates has done more for this world than Steve ever has or will, assuming he doesn't have some directive after he dies to setup an incredibly charitable organization like Gates has done. I sincerely hope Steve has plans for this.edgefusion said:Because he turned around a company from on the brink of collapse to the most powerful technology company in the world with a string of revolutionary products. He has done much more than Bill Gates ever did or ever could do.
Get a clue yourself. No need to throw around wild, unprovable statements like this.XMonkey said:Get a clue. Bill Gates has done more for this world than Steve ever has or will
Look up the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the work they do. If you want to restrict it to the "tech world" then I guess you can't make a clear cut choice. But Jobs hasn't been half the humanitarian Gates has been.Pazuzu9 said:Get a clue yourself. No need to throw around wild, unprovable statements like this.
-Pyromaniac- said:because he doesn't give a shit?
Pazuzu9 said:Get a clue yourself. No need to throw around wild, unprovable statements like this.
In terms of humanitarianism, you're right.XMonkey said:Look up the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the work they do. If you want to restrict it to the "tech world" then I guess you can't make a clear cut choice. But Jobs hasn't been half the humanitarian Gates has been.
I think there are solid arguments for the impact of the work of both men.Tapiozona said:Jobs made entertainment and work devices. Gates created software to enable work and entertainment devices..
Eid said:Don't know why everyone is so worked up about this. People die everyday, and just because he's some rich guy doesn't mean it shouldn't happen to him.
XMonkey said:Look up the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the work they do. If you want to restrict it to the "tech world" then I guess you can't make a clear cut choice. But Jobs hasn't been half the humanitarian Gates has been.
Retired Steve jobs wearing cabana shirt confirmed.Willy105 said:It's because he's the Black Power Ranger. Besides, I am pretty sure he wears the same clothes for a reason. It's his iconic look. Same reason the Apple products tend to have the same default color schemes.
Pazuzu9 said:In terms of humanitarianism, you're right.
I think there are solid arguments for the impact of the work of both men.
Paradoxal_Utopia said:Fuck this thread, I was really hoping you guys were a bit more mature. We have to fucking do iOS vs Android and Steve Jobs vs Bill Gates shit? Jobs isn't required to be a fucking philanthropist in order to say he is a great man, visionary, and had a massive impact in several industries and on the lives of hundreds of millions of people.
What he does with his money is nobody's business, and his charitability of lack of it takes nothing away from the absolutely phenomenal and massive things he's accomplished.
Pazuzu9 said:Get a clue yourself. No need to throw around wild, unprovable statements like this.
I feel like your user name is very fitting for this post.Paradoxal_Utopia said:Fuck this thread, I was really hoping you guys were a bit more mature. We have to fucking do iOS vs Android and Steve Jobs vs Bill Gates shit? Jobs isn't required to be a fucking philanthropist in order to say he is a great man, visionary, and had a massive impact in several industries and on the lives of hundreds of millions of people.
What he does with his money is nobody's business, and his charitability of lack of it takes nothing away from the absolutely phenomenal and massive things he's accomplished.
Copernicus said:While Steve Jobs is working hard to finally eradicate the horrible disease that is Flash, Bill Gates is vacationing in Africa wondering why people don't just stop getting Polio.
Same thing really.
To be fair it, it sort of started with someone(very overzealously) saying Bill Gates will never be on the same level as Steve Jobs...there really was no need for that. But I'm with you, that crap should not be in the thread.Paradoxal_Utopia said:Fuck this thread, I was really hoping you guys were a bit more mature. We have to fucking do iOS vs Android and Steve Jobs vs Bill Gates shit? Jobs isn't required to be a fucking philanthropist in order to say he is a great man, visionary, and had a massive impact in several industries and on the lives of hundreds of millions of people.
What he does with his money is nobody's business, and his charitability of lack of it takes nothing away from the absolutely phenomenal and massive things he's accomplished.
Copernicus said:While Steve Jobs is working hard to finally eradicate the horrible disease that is Flash, Bill Gates is vacationing in Africa wondering why people don't just stop getting Polio.
Same thing really.
not enough for what - universal, messianic love? i don't see how his business success insulates from the criticism that he didn't take advantage of his wealth and fame to jump into cancer advocacy.Smision said:apparently, revolutionizing communications and computing (multiple times) is not enough.
our CEOs must also stop cancer by throwing all their money at it.
Steve Jobs is a first world problem solver.Smision said:apparently, revolutionizing communications and computing (multiple times) is not enough.
our CEOs must also stop cancer by throwing all their money at it.
Some people don't like to be defined by what killed them. Lance Armstrong had no problem with that potential outcome, but that doesn't mean that every well known person in the same situation is required to follow his lead.scorcho said:not enough for what - universal, messianic love? i don't see how his business success insulates from the criticism that he didn't take advantage of his wealth and fame to jump into cancer advocacy.
where did i say it was required that he follow suit? i'm disappointed he didn't, but how did that jump to me somehow mandating it?Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:Some people don't like to be defined by what killed them. Lance Armstrong had no problem with that potential outcome, but that doesn't mean that every well known person in the same situation is required to follow his lead.
Paradoxal_Utopia said:Fuck this thread, I was really hoping you guys were a bit more mature. We have to fucking do iOS vs Android and Steve Jobs vs Bill Gates shit? Jobs isn't required to be a fucking philanthropist in order to say he is a great man, visionary, and had a massive impact in several industries and on the lives of hundreds of millions of people.
What he does with his money is nobody's business, and his charitability of lack of it takes nothing away from the absolutely phenomenal and massive things he's accomplished.
Cook gets 1 million shares of stock said:Following this week's management change at the very top of Apple, the company's board has awarded new Chief Executive Officer Tim Cook with a hefty bonus.
In an SEC filing that was posted to Apple's investor site this afternoon, the company notes that Cook has been given 1 million restricted shares of Apple stock, half of which will be vested in five years time. The rest will be vested in 2021, contingent upon Cook still being at the company:
"In connection with Mr. Cook's appointment as chief executive officer, the board awarded Mr. Cook 1,000,000 restricted stock units. Fifty percent of the restricted stock units are scheduled to vest on each of August 24, 2016 and August 24, 2021, subject to Mr. Cook's continued employment with Apple through each such date."
As noted by AllThingsD, that puts the value of the bonus at $383 million based on today's closing stock price, which was up $9.86 or 2.64 percent at the end of trading. By comparison, Cook's salary for last year was $800,000 along with a $5 million bonus and $52 million worth of company stock.
ckohler said:What I like about this photo (and Jobs) is that it shows one of the wealthiest men alive isn't above wearing ripped jeans and sneakers. I'm not saying he doesn't have his share of eccentric quirks but at least he isn't petty when it comes to attire.
Having read books about Jobs, it's pretty obvious he doesn't care about superfluous things like daily clothing. He's got more of a "big picture" mindset.
ivedoneyourmom said:Eh, you're right. Jobs never went and showed the world that it was his mission to solve problems like Bill has. We all have things that we want to do, things we would like to do if we had money, and things that we would do if we had the time - Bill and Steve are no different than any of us in that regards. Perhaps circumstances got in the way of Jobs' plan. Maybe he was going to retire at 60 and dedicate the rest of his life towards figuring out how to efficiently spend all that money he earned. Maybe he was never going to, maybe he's just an evil self-centered person. But you know what happened? He found out he had cancer, and was pretty much forced to deal with it responsibly by the board at Apple (If you want to say he would have gone through the treatment regardless just to spare his own egocentric life, that's fine, but I see no reason to take everything Jobs' says as a lie). And you know what happened to stock at Apple whenever he got sick? It dropped, and everyone go around saying that Steve is Apple, and that Apple will fail without him. So he spent the very very last years of his life figuring out a way to make a succession plan, and a considerable cushion so that his life's work would not fail, or be dismantled upon his death.
Begrudge him all you want, he decided to spend his time and money on different things than you want him to spend his time and money on.
Do you think he should buy a ticket right now to Africa and help by personally administering some vaccinations? I think that ship has sailed.
Steve Ballmer, not Gates, has been in charge of Microsoft for this past decade.ThisWreckage said:Jobs should probably be credited for making tech culture cool. I think a lot of kids that are growing up consider Apple products to be the "cool" thing to have. Apple has had an amazing run considering the iPod (and all of its variations), the iPad, the iPhone, and their laptops have all sold exceedingly well. I'm not taking anything away from Gates, but Microsoft products have been really shaky over the past decade or so. Vista was not exactly great and things like the Kin phone line were a downright catastrophe.
I don't think ludacris said that...Copernicus said:I have no grudge with Jobs, he's created the most successful annual subscription program in the world, but I was responding to a dude that said something along the lines of their "impact" being on equal levels....which is Ludacris.
Megadragon15 said:Steve Ballmer, not Gates, has been in charge of Microsoft for this past decade.
AlteredBeast said:I don't think ludacris said that...
Gates vs jobs at equal points in their career is a toss up, philanthropy-wise, there is no question. Evil old monopoly man is giving away tens of billions of his and other people's money for real world change; saint Steve is doing what?
I'd say even when Microsoft did dominate in the 90s, it's not because they made the best products. They swept in and dominated through a monopoly.ThisWreckage said:Jobs should probably be credited for making tech culture cool. I think a lot of kids that are growing up consider Apple products to be the "cool" thing to have. Apple has had an amazing run considering the iPod (and all of its variations), the iPad, the iPhone, and their laptops have all sold exceedingly well. I'm not taking anything away from Gates, but Microsoft products have been really shaky over the past decade or so. Vista was not exactly great and things like the Kin phone line were a downright catastrophe.
People act like winows XP wasn't awesome, but fail to realize how bad Mac OS was when XP launched. It is hard to tell 90% of the world to upgrade their OS every 2 years like Apple does to their much smaller and wealthier market segment.BocoDragon said:I'd say even when Microsoft did dominate in the 90s, it's not because they made the best products. They swept in and dominated through a monopoly.
I've only respected Microsoft products in recent years, and that's because the competition of Mac OSX has forced Windows to be good, and their lessons learned through the refinement of the Xbox division.
I sat down last night to write about Steve Jobs resignation as Apple CEO and something funny happened: I had nothing to say. This is not normal for me. I dont get writers block. I often write thousands of words about what many would consider the minutia of tech. And yet, when it came to writing about one of the biggest stories were ever likely to see in this space, a story that far transcends tech, I was quite literally at a loss for words.
So instead I read what everyone else had to say. Some articles were excellent, many were very good, others read far too much like obituaries. More came today. I kept reading. Slowly, two things struck me. First, Ive never seen anything quite like the outpouring of emotion that people are showing in response to this news. Second, what were witnessing right now is Jobs final masterstroke.
In tech hubs like the San Francisco Bay Area, it can be easy to get wrapped up in companies, services, and stories that no one in the larger world really cares much about. Its what some refer to as the bubble. But this bubble works both ways. It can also be easy to forget that there are many people out there who care just as much about technology as we do. The reaction to Jobs resignation is a great reminder of this.
Yesterday, TechCrunch saw record traffic thanks to a few stories on Jobs. These posts brought in more readers than any scoop weve ever had, any major product review weve ever posted, even more than any Apple keynote weve ever covered. And our stories were just a few of the thousands upon thousands out there. People could not get enough.
Why is that? Again, this is a CEO stepping down. When Eric Schmidt did the same thing earlier this year at Google, it got a lot of press. But it was nothing like this. When Bill Gates left Microsoft, a lot of people took notice. And many wrote tributes. But it was nothing like this.
Yes, Steve Jobs is sick. He has technically been on medical leave since January his third such leave. And it does not sound good when he himself writes, I have always said if there ever came a day when I could no longer meet my duties and expectations as Apples CEO, I would be the first to let you know. Unfortunately, that day has come.
But he is staying on as Chairman of the Board, and as an Apple employee. And sympathy for sickness alone does not come anywhere close to explaining the reaction were seeing to the news. This goes much deeper.
The root of this lies in the emotional ties that people have with Apple products. And that fact that were shifting towards a world where having contact with at least one Apple product on a daily basis is the norm. It may be an iPod, it may be a Mac, it may be an iPhone, it may be an iPad. It may even be an Apple TV.
Apple is no longer a small player in the personal computer space, theyre a massive player in the consumer electronics space. In fact, you might say theyre the massive player in the consumer electronics space. And theyve built this empire not by going after the lower-common-denominator with cheap products. Theyve brought the markets to them. Theyve created new markets. But they have never sacrificed on quality.
Apple is a testament to the idea that little things matter. Users may not consciously notice all the tiny bits of attention to detail they encounter in Apple products throughout a day, but it is what endears them to these products. Its why when you pick up a competing product, it just doesnt feel right even though the specs may be the same, and it may even look the same.
Its also why people who dont use Apple products dont understand what all the fuss is about. The fuss is about all of the fuss put into making sure every pixel is exactly where it should be on every screen, in every program, all the time.
And Steve Jobs is a personification of all of this. He is a personification of Apple products. Ultimately, thats why were seeing the reaction were seeing to his resignation.
And its an even stronger bond because it goes both ways. Jobs has poured all of his heart and soul into Apple and these products each and every one of them.
I truly believe that passion, while unseen, also translates. Its like when you meet a good kid and you just know that he has good parents. We appreciate Jobs because he has been such a good parent of these products.
Hes a good father in the same way that Walt Disney and Jim Henson were good fathers. Both of those men instilled passion and emotion in people through their products as well.
Jobs is also the best salesman of his own products. Apple keynotes without him on stage are still good because the products are usually great. But no one would argue those keynotes are anywhere near as good as the ones in which Jobs is in command.
Its his mixture of charisma, enthusiasm, and authenticity. We want to see Jobs on stage showing off the new products because we know that if he feels good enough about them to present them, that theyre going to be good. As a salesman, no one comes close to the track record Jobs has. We trust his judgement as a result. Were going to miss that.
And we appreciate how stubborn Jobs was in building Apple. Its a quality that normally carries negative connotations, but it has served Apple well. Jobs unwillingness to compromise on his vision and his demand of nothing less than the best has given us the Apple we know and love today.
Most companies would never survive such rigidness. And most leaders, no matter how strong, do not either. Somewhere along the line they compromise. They realize they have to when their neck is on the line. And if they dont compromise, they often get tossed.
In fact, this happened to Jobs.
In mid-1980s, after a fast start, sales of the original Mac were dwindling. Jobs wanted to hold firm. In fact, most accounts from the time suggest that the thought of doing anything else never even crossed his mind. The Mac was the future. You cant stop the future from happening.
The board saw things another way. Jobs was booted from Apple. Maybe it was arrogance, or maybe it was simply bad timing. Either way, Jobs was never going to compromise.
The years that followed made Apples maneuver look foolish. Without Jobs, the people in charge nearly destroyed the company that Jobs had built. Maybe the same would have been true if Jobs had remained, but what happened next certainly suggests otherwise.
At the 25th hour, Jobs returned. He quickly re-installed his vision. And this time, the timing was exactly right. His vision seemed perfectly in line with the world at large. The result was a 14-year run that took Apple from near-death to the most valuable company on the planet. It wasnt just hit after hit after hit. It was homerun after homerun after homerun.
Thats another thing that hurts about Jobs stepping back. While his age and health suggest that his time running Apple should be near an end or over, his track record in recent years suggests the opposite. Jobs is retiring in his prime.
Apple just had its best quarter ever. The iPhone, released just four years ago, is now their most important product. The iPad, released just last year, is a bigger business than the Mac. Earlier this month, Apple pushed past Exxon as the most valuable company in the world. This is Sandy Koufax retiring. This is Barry Sanders retiring. This is John Elway hanging it up after winning two Super Bowls in a row. This is Rocky Marciano walking away undefeated.
In his resignation letter, Jobs says that he believes Apples brightest and most innovative days are ahead of it. And maybe that will indeed be true. But if it is true, it will be in spite of his departure.
But those words are also why I think this resignation may be Jobs final masterstroke.
First of all, when the news hit, the only thing about it that I couldnt make sense of was the timing. Nearly everything Apple does is meticulously calculated. A late afternoon resignation on a seemingly random Wednesday in August doesnt seem to fit that mold.
But as Peter Burrows and Josh Tyrangiel reported for Bloomberg Businessweek this morning, Jobs spent yesterday at work and attended Apples board meeting. It would seem that the timing of this resignation may simply be based around this regularly scheduled board meeting. Jobs undoubtedly wanted to resign in person, and ensure that Tim Cook was installed as the next CEO of Apple. And he did both.
Other reports have him being no more or less sick than he has been in recent months. Maybe Jobs picked this seemingly random board meeting in August to formally step down because, why not? Remember, Tim Cook has been serving as CEO for the past eight months. In that time, Apple has remained the hottest company on the planet. In fact, theyve gotten even hotter.
The truth is that from a pure logistical standpoint, Jobs doesnt need to come back to the CEO role. Perhaps his letter is a simple acknowledgement of that.
Or perhaps its part of a broader plan. Were approaching the fall. All indications are that its going to be a massive one for Apple. Maybe Jobs wanted to make this move a formality given the past several months, really in the relative calm before the storm.
The market rewarded this decision. For years, all weve heard is about how when Steve Jobs was no longer head of Apple, the stock would be destroyed. The actual result? A 0.65 percent loss for the day. The broader Nasdaq index actually did much worse: a 1.95 percent loss. Had the market risen today, Apple probably would have closed up.
Think about that for a second: the day after Steve Jobs steps down as CEO of Apple, Apples stock could have easily risen.
With the appointment of Cook out of the way, perhaps now its on to phase two of Jobs last plan: that killer fall.
Weve been hearing since early this year that Apple was planning something special this fall. Until recently, that seemed to be another new iPad. However, the latest talk indicates that component shortages may have pushed that product to early next year. And the truth is that Apple really may not need it.
We know the iOS 5 is coming, and very likely alongside the iPhone 5. There will also likely be a cheaper iPhone 4S, perhaps sold contract-free. Apple will also undoubtedly refresh the iPod lineup as they always do around this time. And there is talk of the company having some tricks up its sleeve when it comes to new content for iTunes.
Oh, and there are also whispers of Apple completely re-doing iTunes itself. Not just the 64-bit re-write we got with iTunes 10. But a total re-working.
This fall is shaping up to be a great first act for Cook. All set up by the timing of Jobs resignation. The only real question is: is it Cook or Jobs that takes the stage at their event next month to announce these things? Will it be a hello or a goodbye?
But only thinking about the fall is thinking small. Its the longer roadmap that should really be the grand finale in the Jobs fireworks show.
Talking to sources in recent months, there has been one common refrain: that the things Apple is working on right now are the best things the company has ever done. These are things that will blow your mind, Ive been told.
What type of things? That I dont know. There is a lot of talk about the entire Mac brand itself being completely re-imagined. Well see. What about Apple televisions? Well see.
The fact that Apple has big plans for the post-Jobs future shouldnt be too surprising. Product roadmaps are set years in advance. Internally, Apple is undoubtedly already starting to test what will become the iPhone 6. And they probably have the beginnings of the iPhone 7 ready to go too. Thats just how these things work.
Its a bit odd to think about the day after Steve Jobs retires as CEO of Apple, but what if when he says Apples brightest and most innovative days are ahead of it, its not just a platitude? What if hes saying it because, like other Apple employees, he knows whats coming?
And whats coming is Jobs final one more thing , as it were. It may not be him on stage to present these things, but I have faith that the products wont be any less great. Well just have to see for ourselves instead of instinctively trusting Jobs sales pitch.
Yesterday, John Gruber wrote that Jobss greatest creation isnt any Apple product. It is Apple itself. Id like to believe the timing and execution of this resignation is meant to showcase exactly that. Jobs has spent decades shaping Apple into what it has become. Hes spent years training Apples employees on how to sustain the system in his absence. Now the training wheels come off (with Jobs behind the bicycle just in case, for now).
Steve Jobs is a remarkable person. Hell go down as perhaps the greatest business leader and one of the greatest innovators of not just our time, but of any time. But he is just a man. What hes built in Apple is much bigger. Were emotionally tied to Jobs because of the belief that Apple is tied to him. His last act is to show us that its not. That would be truly amazing.
Smision said:our CEOs must also stop cancer by throwing all their money at it.
NinjaFridge said:Yeah all Gates did was be a founder of Microsoft, help create the most popular OS in the world and create the largest private foundation in the world with the aim of improving healthcare and reducing poverty around the world while pledging to give most of his money to charity and convincing other billionaires to do the same.
Depends on what you mean by powerful, I guess. It's now the world's most valuable company. Sounds pretty powerful to me.Blackface said:Not to mention Apple isn't the most powerful tech company in the world at all. They are a very rich borderline tech company. Powerful isn't something I would describe Apple as. Popular is.
Blackface said:Not to mention Apple isn't the most powerful tech company in the world at all. They are a very rich borderline tech company. Powerful isn't something I would describe Apple as. Popular is.
Yup. Definitely liked this article. The end is spot on, as well.irfan said:
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