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Summer 2011 Anime Thread II of IKUHARA'S RETURN, Penguins, and Idols
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7Th said:
That's the point I was trying to make before, and I would have succeeded had I not made the mistake of playing the Godwin Card before it was ready. I should have placed the Godwin Card face down behind my trap card and ended my turn.
This is why the internet ruins everything. Just because something happens doesn't make it a trope/cliché.7Th said:
You are boiling down characters to specific identifiable traits without taking the whole picture into account. Let's take Ringo from Penguindrum as an example. Is she a "trope" or a cliché? No, and this stupid website tries to boil down her character by listing off ten archetypes for her, neglected to take the character as a whole into account as the original work.
Where the issue with "tropes" and clichés lies is when a story is populated by those instead of characters. So when Idolm@ster has characters that show up and simply play to these archetypes in every scene they are in you wind up with characters who were designed as a list of these attributes. Not every story has a trope, unless you just consider a trope to be some broad meaningless label. To use Penguindrum as an example again, it lists Shouma as falling into the "Supreme Chef" trope. Being good at cooking isn't a trope/cliché. Like seriously, what a dumb thing.
Dance In My Blood said:
How so? How is Iori playing the "tsundere" archetype in every scene she is in? How is Miki playing the "lazy and privileged" archetype in every scene she is in? What archetype is Hibiki playing? What is the trope for the "hardworking poor girl that never complains about her life"? What's Chihaya's defining trope? I think that you're doing exactly what you're accusing TV Tropes and the Internet of doing.
Wandering Son 11:
Oh, so that was the final episode? Thought there´d be a 12th episode. Anyway. Good serious overall, though I got the feeling that it´s more enjoyable if you know the manga. Lots of pretty hefty time jumps. And the anime doesn´t really conclude anything. Since I won´t be reading the manga, could someone spoil me what happens to Nitori? Does he accept being a boy or does he go through with becoming a girl?
Now on to Denpa Onna to Seishun Otoko
Oh, so that was the final episode? Thought there´d be a 12th episode. Anyway. Good serious overall, though I got the feeling that it´s more enjoyable if you know the manga. Lots of pretty hefty time jumps. And the anime doesn´t really conclude anything. Since I won´t be reading the manga, could someone spoil me what happens to Nitori? Does he accept being a boy or does he go through with becoming a girl?
Now on to Denpa Onna to Seishun Otoko
The difference between something like Idolmaster and something well written is that everything in Idolmaster is essentially design by committee, and its completely obvious.7Th said:
Iori is just some unpleasant bossy girl who is afraid to let people get close to her (so yes, she is always a tsundere). Even when scenes aren't about Miki being lazy it's always, "oh, she's not lazy, she's actually just a hard worker when she feels like it". Unless her showing up in fanservice bits counts as fleshing out her character I guess. Hibiki is always just energetic and has scenes that revolve around her taking care of something, be it a pet or a kid. She doesn't really exist outside of those roles. You also just summed up the peasant Idol in six words. Everything related to her is pretty much about how poor she is.
In the hands of a skilled writer they aren't the end-all definitions of characters, but in a lot of anime that list is pretty much all there is to the character. We shouldn't pretend every story is just a bunch of tropes though.Jintor said:
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$54 for a movie is absurd.Aigis said:
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I wouldn't pay $25 for a movie let alone $50. But if you got that kind of cash to burn then go for it I guess?
Dance In My Blood said:
I don't think tropes mean what you think they mean. They're exactly that: characteristics. It's not an end-all label. Tropes are just a fancy name (or, rather, a word label) to characteristics. Some of them may encompass an entire cliché or archetype (tsundere, for instance) but they're not the end of everything.
Tropes != clichés; clichés are composed of tropes but the latter isn't true. Or, rather, cliché itself is a trope that has been done to death and becomes trite, predictable, and ultimately distracting due to it's nature.
Really, though, I can see how if you do think that tropes = clichés that everything you said is basically true. I just don't view them as the same way. They're pieces of the whole, not the whole thing.
Though, I do agree that tropes/TVTropes list of tropes are basically now-a-days kind of used as a paint by numbers thing for characters/shows/etc. rather than just the kind of fun labels they once were.
Dance In My Blood said:
Well, of course. Idolm@ster is the adaptation of a videogame about characters that have existed for nearly 8 years already. That doesn't mean you aren't being reductionist with the characterization.
Dance In My Blood said:
How is she afraid to let people get close to her yet happily goes to the house of her poor friend that invited her for dinner? What single tsundere-like trait did she show while helping Yayoi with her little brothers?
Dance In My Blood said:
What kind of point are you trying to make? They don't even mention or allude to the fact that she is lazy in episode 8, she just does what she is supposed to do and cleverly takes profit of problematic situations.
Dance In My Blood said:
Did you forget how she was actually challenging Makoto to a race in the beach in episode 5? How did that involve taking care of anything? Isn't competitiveness a character trait?
Dance In My Blood said:
I think her happy outlook on life is a bigger character trait than her social status.
I guess this is as good a time as any to mention this. I was at the J-Pop Summit festival in San Francisco over the weekend, and in attendance was the entire K-On dub cast (courtesy of Bandai, for an early K-On Volume 3 premiere):Vox-Pop said:
Seemed like nice enough people.
They also sang a few songs (but not actually playing instruments) in full costume and gear as well.
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Aigis said:
I paid $70 for the Lord of the Rings Trilogy Extended Editions on Blu-ray. That's 3 movies, all longer than the theatrical versions, spread across 6 discs, remastered for Blu-ray, with a ridiculous 9 additional DVDs full of extra material. It's a 15-disc set.
Compare that to $54 for a single movie without any extra material on Blu-ray and I think you get the idea of which is a good value and which is a total rip-off.
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Manga is still ongoing so there isn't a conclusion there either.Sennorin said:
The amount of detail 7th is getting into regarding Idolmaster is frightening.
These characters were created as part of an otaku-bait game. I'm pretty sure nothing above "hey we need a tsundere ojousama, write that in" was put into deciding to put these characters into the game. No need to look for stuff that clearly isn't there.
These characters were created as part of an otaku-bait game. I'm pretty sure nothing above "hey we need a tsundere ojousama, write that in" was put into deciding to put these characters into the game. No need to look for stuff that clearly isn't there.
Alright Anime-Gaf, I haven't watched much anime for the last few years and would like some recommendations. Here's a list of some stuff I've seen that I thought were great.
Honey and Clover.
Nana.
Ghost in the Shell.
Akira.
Nodame Cantible.
Gurren Laggan.
FLCL.
Berserk.
Deathnote (well, part of it at least)
PlanetES.
Any recommendations would be appreciated!
Honey and Clover.
Nana.
Ghost in the Shell.
Akira.
Nodame Cantible.
Gurren Laggan.
FLCL.
Berserk.
Deathnote (well, part of it at least)
PlanetES.
Any recommendations would be appreciated!
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Vaporak said:
Eden of the East
Skip Beat
Tatami Galaxy
Three series probably up your alley. Last one strongly recommended.
Femmeworth
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The Tatami Galaxy Ep. 1 ~4 min. in
Slow the fuck down! @_@
Slow the fuck down! @_@
Wat7Th said:
zeroshiki said:
How does that make the characters specifically written to appeal to otaku tastes so that they take them as their waifus any better?
zeroshiki said:
That's reductionism; you're essentially saying that everything about the character other than the basic sterotype should be ignored just to prove a point.
darkside31337 said:
Never seen anyone suggest Skip Beat around here. <3 Skip Beat.
Also, I really should look into Tatami Galaxy with all the praise it seems to be getting here. I keep putting it off due to the art style (oh god don't lynch me) but it seems interesting enough.
7Th said:
my waifu is better than your waifu
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