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Tekken 7 Announced, Trailer Revealed, PS4/Xbox One, UE4, More At Comic-Con
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MoonsaultSlayer
Member
I've always said and thought we should have juggle defense options like throw breaks.
Master Thespian
Member
MK style combo breaker would be the worst.
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
Not quite like that. Less stiff, less universal, and more like special command throw breaks. A special input timed with specific moves.
Like Killer Instince? No thank you. People don't demand stuff to cut combos short in most other fighting games, but they want to see that shit in Tekken? Ogre has it in Tag 2 and it's stupid as hell.
The juggles are not the problem here. If you want to talk about some of the moves that start those juggles though, I'll hear you out.
Masquerader
Member
I hope that Devil is back (as in, Devil Kazuya). Also, better still, they seem to be making Heihachi a proper villain, as opposed to the half villain, half comic relief he's been since Tekken 5. This is a good thing indeed.
I rather like haihachi as a geriatric , I liked despite jin getting worse I liked that he was kind of bad guy.
Would be interesting if it was an OG, Heihachi is a shit and Kazuya is the protagonist kind of thing.
Deckard Cain
Banned
If you ask me Kazuya is way more of a bad guy than Heihachi.
Since this is a new numbered entry in the series, we are likely getting at least one or two new characters. My only wish for these characters is that they would refrain from making them too "anime-ish". I watch a lot of anime but I'm really not a fan of Alisa's or Lars' designs.
Well it also helps test and balance the game. Vanilla Tekken 6 was crazy.
Bingo.
Japanese arcade operators don't want anything that would be detrimental to their businesses, first and foremost. Thus the reason why Bamco obliges them by spacing out console ports.
And it's understandable for JP-only games like Gundam Vs., but why a worldwide franchise like Tekken has to continue abiding by it is something I'll always disagree with.
Yo, the Tekken hit sound effects complemented the Tron soundtrack so felicitously. Awesome combo video.
Pretty sure kofxiii and sf4 also had at least a year between arcade and console releases. Guilty Gear Xrd is taking pretty long as well.
MrCookiepants
Member
As others have pointed out, big combos were a part of Tekken long before bound. It's just that most of us never knew it until we went online or tried out Ghost Battle in T6.
I don't mind shortening combos or lowering the damage output. I just enjoy the formula of launcher--> bound--> ender. It's such a simple and logical system that allows me to pick up any character and put together some decent combos quickly just by knowing a few important moves.
Agreed. Juggles are fine, bounds are fine imo.
Lambda Pie
Banned
no chance, Harada said at EVO he's downsizing the roster to less than 40 characters.
fuck, if you ask me, it should be less than 30.
Eh... Nah breh.
dude has literally fucked over everyone that cared about him, except for a bear. EVERYONE. Everything shitty that has ever happened in the tekken universe is probably his fault some how.
Jin is the evilest though.
Which honestly isn't that bad. As long as they have the characters that are crucial to the Mishima storyline (Heihachi, Kazuya, Jun, Jin, Asuka, Jinpachi, Wang, and Xiaoyu) along with your notable vets like Nina, Paul, Law, Yoshimitsu, etc it'll be fine.
That isn't rodger and Rodger JR homie.
Deckard Cain
Banned
Dude the man doesn't really do anything evil with the Zaibatsu though. He has been in charge of the Zaibatsu for like 40 years & did nothing that bad. Kazuya or Jin gets in charge they start wars & do fucked up experiments & do real bad things.
Stone Ocean
Member
The roster was padded as fuck though.
AAK said:
But then there's P4A, which only had 4-5 months, while P4A2 is upping it a bit more to 8-9. And they still had/will have all the console extras that consumers would expect. Then there's the more recent Ultra, which had all of a month of being in arcades before being available for everybody else (unless you really want a disc, in which case you wait until August).
I'm just saying...if there's a way that they can be doing this better so that everybody gets to play these games sooner, why shouldn't we be asking/hoping for it?
Night_Knight
Unconfirmed Member
He said he'd go 40 but then he remarked he'd even go fewer like 35~36, yeah that roster really needs a trimming. Cut out all the clones and oldies. Ditch half the cast, even if my fav character doesn't make it, I'll adapt and pick a new. This is why you shouldn't just run one character, guys run multiple characters you like in case some don't make it to the next installment (nunless it's like the main characters or something.)
Jin? I'm guessing you didn't complete Scenario Campaign.
Night_Knight
Unconfirmed Member
It's quality not quantity my friend.
CreeperBlocks
Banned
This thread also (for me at least) makes me want another Bloody Roar.
Short Edit:
-Zaibastu was doing dirty stuff with heihachi, considering their main income was crime and kung fu death tournaments.
-heihachi tried to murder everyone near him and relatedto him for power he will never obtain. Not Averse to doing war type business, especially in other countries. Ya know lars.
-heihachi is in many ways the cause for many of the series problems
-Jin I will agree is worse, he summon an extra dimension world destroying demon to try and remove the devil gene and/or murder himself. This is idiotic, considering his dad will still have it, and not only that can control it and chooses not to use it. Makes you wonder what he could actually do . This completely idiotic display edges jin out.
Anyways Heihachi is a really bad dude, jin just edges him out. Kazuya seems to be the best out of the 3, he may not being doing good shit right now for the best intentions, but he is doing good shit which is fuck heihachi's left over mob shit and fuck jin's pope mishima/kazama where's my mama bullshit. And apparently he has been praised for it. Not saying he is an angel ( although he had one ) , perspective wise he is the least stale piece of bread in the bread bowl.
When you start wars and murder people, to summon a demon to try and get rid of the devil genes for reasons I have already explained to be not well thought out. And this demon has the power to destroy the world.
You are not only evil and selfish. You are a frigging I D I O T
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I'd rather get hit by somewhat hard to input combos...not one button deathfists lol. NO WAY. And grabs are fine in Tekken.
Can we get some sources for these statements???
He said it on the tekken casino twitch stream the night before tekken 7 was announce.
Harada said he thinks 36/38 characters is a good amount of characters.
Poetic.Injustice
Member
Didn't someone once threaten suicide if they didn't include all the characters in 6? If I remember correctly.
Lambda Pie
Banned
during one of the EVO streams, he was talking to Aris.
Why not all of the above like how Tekken is already?
Again, why not both?
That doesn't mean combos should be removed. Like I said before, you can whack someone with a huge move all day and night if you want to instead of juggling.
There are many ways to do massive damage without combos.
I still haven't heard any good argument explaining why bound combos, or juggling should be removed, let's take Tekken Tag Tournament 2 out of the equation, let's just focus on solo bound combos, which aren't even long. Here's a solo bound combo that is akin to what Tekken 6 is like:
So why don't I hear anyone complain about juggling in Dead or Alive?
Why does Marvel Vs. Capcom 3 get a pass? Isn't it the same thing? Aren't you in the air defenseless just like people say you would be in Tekken 6?
Imagine if juggling wasn't a part of MvC3, do you think as many people would be playing it as there are currently?
Nycfab is in the process of uploading Tekken Casino archives to youtube, the interviews should show up eventually.
I was just searching for them right now, thanks for the heads up!
That wanker.
Poetic.Injustice
Member
http://www.qj.net/qjnet/playstation...spiration-girlfriends-and-a-suicidal-fan.html
It was for one character specifically, but I remember Harada saying he didn't want to take any chances.
LowParry
Member
Bounds can stay. It's pretty essential with Tekken right now. Rage, can stay or go really. All depends how damage output is done but eh. I'd like to see destructible environments that ya know, stay broken? VF did. No reason Tekken can't now.
I do wonder if interactive environments would be a good addition. Like with what you see in Injustice. I'm not really sure you could add at this point with Tekken unless we get a good reboot of the series. I'm hoping we see a form of gameplay at Comic Con though. Again, doubts but we'll see. Give us some awesome gameplay reveal like what was done with SFxT with the Ryu vs Kazuya.
I do wonder if interactive environments would be a good addition. Like with what you see in Injustice. I'm not really sure you could add at this point with Tekken unless we get a good reboot of the series. I'm hoping we see a form of gameplay at Comic Con though. Again, doubts but we'll see. Give us some awesome gameplay reveal like what was done with SFxT with the Ryu vs Kazuya.
Night_Knight
Unconfirmed Member
Sure, Harada at NYC_Fab's twitch stream at Evo.
He comes at about the 2:20:00 mark.
Regarding the roster size being @35~40; he remarks this at 3:07:40
Regarding bound: 'Still considering' @ 3:04:16
It'll be Solo. Bob, Law and Lars are the top three most used characters. There's a ton of info here.
I don't think anyone is arguing for juggles to be remove completely, it's just the length of time that they go on for that some people don't like. And people not complaining about UMvC3's combos? I've seen tons of complaints about the nature of combos turning the game into a single-player game.
Juggling is always going to be part of Tekken otherwise it's not Tekken any more.
Most of the discussion around here is about Bound. Tekken was a fairly juggle heavy game even before Bound, Bound just added that extra layer of it. Tekken was a more than competent fighting game with a solid combo/juggle system... the argument should rather be about why you NEED Bound. The argument presented before was that some characters did not have access to juggling capability in Tekken 5 and before resulting in character strength differential to which can be countered by saying that those characters had incomplete juggling system to begin with. Instead of making fixes to characters on an individual level to fix their juggle issues they added a universal juggle system which made every one a juggler and those who juggled a lot before can juggle even more now. Another argument presented was that it gave a few more moves actual purpose and made them more usable in combat (ie. moves that inflict the Bound state) which can be countered by saying that those moves should be made to be useful in other situations besides just being a Bound set up.
People complain PLENTY about juggling in DOA for the record. It's just that this thread isn't about DOA and it's definitely not about MVC3 which is a totally different game (and people complain about long combos in that game too). The thing is that most players had their fill of juggling in Tekken at Tekken 4/5 and they want the time of "not playing the game" to be reduced in further iterations.
Night_Knight
Unconfirmed Member
You had to be trollin' about a super massive roster right? I mean it's already hard as it is to comprehend over 1000s of moves (60 characters), it needs to be trimmed heavily, 38 sounds perfect, if your character gets ditched, so what? Adapt and survive, I know I will.
I'm totally naive when it comes to other games, thanks for correcting me, so now that I know that juggling gets a little panned in other games too makes things more clear.
I have no argument to present on why bound needs to stay.
Night_Knight
Unconfirmed Member
I can think of two main reasons as to why boundz should stay:
1) It makes combos easier, it really does, people say they become harder, longer=/=harder, that ground bounce offers enough time to land a good ender.
2) Wall carry, bound can extend your combo range to carry your opponent towards the wall and go for extra damage.
Comment: Bounds are not the problem:
-as long as the scaling system is good
-tone down the rage
-no TA! in the next Tekken then it's gonna be fine.
People are willing to watch UMvC3 juggles that last for days (surprise they have ground bounces *cough* bound *cough* too) yet they can't bear looking at a Tekken juggle for an extra 2 seconds? wtf?
1) It makes combos easier, it really does, people say they become harder, longer=/=harder, that ground bounce offers enough time to land a good ender.
2) Wall carry, bound can extend your combo range to carry your opponent towards the wall and go for extra damage.
Comment: Bounds are not the problem:
-as long as the scaling system is good
-tone down the rage
-no TA! in the next Tekken then it's gonna be fine.
People are willing to watch UMvC3 juggles that last for days (surprise they have ground bounces *cough* bound *cough* too) yet they can't bear looking at a Tekken juggle for an extra 2 seconds? wtf?