Thank you but it was supposed to be a very lame joke about my username
Has anyone read the Keyes novels, by the way? I like him but the pitch sounds underwhelming.
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Thank you but it was supposed to be a very lame joke about my username
Has anyone read the Keyes novels, by the way? I like him but the pitch sounds underwhelming.
Deified Data
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Lots of heart and effort went into these videos - I recommend them highly as well.
I meant to do the same but figured it'd be nuked to death by "lol bugs bad combat Dark Souls" in the first page. I'm actually sort of optimistic right now.
SeventhSon
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Thank you but it was supposed to be a very lame joke about my username
I wondered why Sotha Sil didn't understand it.
This reminds me, there is supposed to be a great mod for Tribunal that greatly expands the Clockwork City and adds a living Sotha Sil... I need to check it out.
Blue Ninja
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Thank you but it was supposed to be a very lame joke about my username
Has anyone read the Keyes novels, by the way? I like him but the pitch sounds underwhelming.
Yeah, they're good. The story is tied in with a lot of stuff: the rise of the Mede Dynasty, the Red Year, the rise of the Thalmor, and so on. Very cool.
A Summerset Isles game really ought to have a priestly faction, where characters can study and be quizzed extensively on the mythology of the Aurbis. A cleric faction would be amazing, especially if it could be a kind of "anti Thalmor".
Blue Ninja
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It's worth it to try. I got killed by a rat after about ten minutes.
Deified Data
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That first skeleton in Privateer's Hold is basically more challenging than any enemy in vanilla Skyrim. That thing has killed me so much. And the shrieking noise is makes...blood-curdling.
Yep, although a couple books in Skyrim suggest that the Dragon Break might have never happened.
Blue Ninja
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Do you remember which? I'm interested, I don't remember reading that.
There's definitely been more than one Dragon Break, though. The one at the end of Daggerfall was just the latest. If I recall my lore correctly, the Merethic Era was just one huge Dragon Break.
The rat, man, the rat. I just can't play this game. And I've tried, gods, I have tried. My greatest and deepest shame.
Will check out the novels, thanks! Didn't want to be disappointed.
The Dragon Break Revisited suggests that the Warp in the West was a record-keeping error rather than an actual godly phenomenon. However, most characters in-game believe the Warp actually happened.
Actually, that was a reference to a real record-keeping error that happened at Bethesda, hence leading to the development of the Dragon Break:
Game informer said:
Source
Pretty neat how the lore developed like that.
Also, my personal theory is that I think M'aiq the Liar is one of the Khajiit who recorded the Dragon Break as mentioned in "Where Were You When the Dragon Broke?" and somehow he was affected by it, hence why he seem to be everywhere and know everything.
I like the idea that Ma'iq was just some Khajiit who achieved CHIM through Skooma usage. He realizes that he's in a limited fictional universe, but has been driven insane from too much Moon Sugar.
Some people think he's an avatar of Sheogorath, which is also plausible.
Some people think he's an avatar of Sheogorath, which is also plausible.
Deified Data
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Also, my personal theory is that I think M'aiq the Liar is one of the Khajiit who recorded the Dragon Break as mentioned in "Where Were You When the Dragon Broke?" and somehow he was affected by it, hence why he seem to be everywhere and know everything.
That said, M'aiq has also intimated that he has ancestors also named M'aiq, and that if Bethesda is being true to its lore the M'aiq of Morrowind and the M'aiq(s) of Oblivion and Skyrim are two separate forms of Khajiit.
I like this idea. Mortals achieve godhood in Tamriel all the time. If anyone could do it it'd be a Khajiit on skooma.
Eat that much horse and you could achieve damn near anything.
Blue Ninja
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M'aiq is actually the TES-iteration of the Luteces.
Blue Ninja
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I hope the next TES takes place in Hammerfell or Elsweyr. I want them to get some incredible sand tech for those deserts. Plus, Elsweyr sounded awesome when described in Keyes' novels: drugged up Khajiit everywhere you look.
I hope that, if we get a game set in Elsweyr, they'll go crazy with the different Khajiit forms. Those don't all have to be playable races (it'd be impossible, anyway, since some are little more than glorified house cats), but man, I'd love to ride a tiger-brother into battle.
It also took me way to long to get that Elsweyr is a play on 'elsewhere'.
I hope that, if we get a game set in Elsweyr, they'll go crazy with the different Khajiit forms. Those don't all have to be playable races (it'd be impossible, anyway, since some are little more than glorified house cats), but man, I'd love to ride a tiger-brother into battle.
It also took me way to long to get that Elsweyr is a play on 'elsewhere'.
Deified Data
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90% certain that TESVI will be Hammerfell.
One, it's the perfect tagline for a TES game. "The Elder Scrolls VI: HAMMERFELL". Two, the most populous race of Hammerfell (the Redguards) are humanoid and easy for players to relate to (courageous, lots of martial prowess). Three, lore is setting up Hammerfell to be the final bulwark between the Thalmor and the rest of Tamriel. Abandoned by the empire, they've already fought off the Thalmor once. My bet is they're going to have another go and get put down by the Redguards, or perhaps a coalition with Orcs and Bretons.
Edit: Four! Bethesda won't have to render a bajillion different breeds of Khajiit and can keep on pretending that somehow only one every makes it to the outside provinces during any given era.
One, it's the perfect tagline for a TES game. "The Elder Scrolls VI: HAMMERFELL". Two, the most populous race of Hammerfell (the Redguards) are humanoid and easy for players to relate to (courageous, lots of martial prowess). Three, lore is setting up Hammerfell to be the final bulwark between the Thalmor and the rest of Tamriel. Abandoned by the empire, they've already fought off the Thalmor once. My bet is they're going to have another go and get put down by the Redguards, or perhaps a coalition with Orcs and Bretons.
Edit: Four! Bethesda won't have to render a bajillion different breeds of Khajiit and can keep on pretending that somehow only one every makes it to the outside provinces during any given era.
Didn't Bethesda copywright the Summerset Isles at the same time as Skyrim?
Hammerfell would be a much less exotic setting and possibly more fun, though. Deserts and pirates? Sign me up.
I really hope that Bethesda doesn't avoid Hammerfell because of racist financial worries.
Hammerfell would be a much less exotic setting and possibly more fun, though. Deserts and pirates? Sign me up.
I really hope that Bethesda doesn't avoid Hammerfell because of racist financial worries.
Blue Ninja
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They trademarked Redguard a while ago, and it even got a Skyrim-like logo. I'm currently expecting VI will be called Redguard.
EDIT: Well, apparently the typface the US trademark office uses is very similar to the one Bethesda used for Skyrim. So I guess that argument no longer stands. More likely that Redguard is just a renewal of the license for the old adventure game.
Deified Data
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That would be...weird, considering the racial make-up of Morrowind and the racial diversity of Cyrodiil. It would also speak very poorly of some people who can relate more to a fantasy race of dark Elves than they can to a normal human being with a darker skin color.
If Bethesda makes a game where 85% of characters are Black, there will be backlash. Remember what happened two years ago, when Hunger Games fans didn't expect to be Black? I'm sure that sites like IGN or Kotaku will make a shitton of inappropriate jokes about Hip-hop and Somali pirates.
Still, I bet Bethesda would be more higher minded than to be put off by racist jeers from the peanut gallery.
Blue Ninja
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If people don't expect a majority of dark-skinned people in Hammerfell, they're doing it wrong.
The Redguards are badass and Hammerfell is really interesting.
Deified Data
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I agree, I don't think Bethesda would cave if it came to it.
I still remember GTA: San Andreas. People are ridiculous sometimes. Thankfully I think most TES fans would embrace a game in Hammerfell.
Blue Ninja
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I think they could afford to go crazy for the next one. They just need to advertise VI as "the successor to Skyrim", and watch the sales explode.
They might, but imo realistically even if the locales were exotic, they'd have a heavy imperial presence to make it easier to chew. It's a cash cow like Sotha Sil said, and the formula isn't stagnant yet.
Sometimes I wish the streamlining and me-strong-warrior vibe of Oblivion and Skyrim were just clever ruses. "The COD kids are hooked, unleash the moral complexity, competing factions and deep magic system, boys! It's TES: The Summerset Isles time!"
They I wake up.
(To be fair, I love Oblivion and Skyrim.)
I'd be pretty shocked if the next game isn't Summerst Isles... the name of the continent was changed to something alot more Elder Scrolls-y sounding: Alinor. and the Thalmor have been deeply involved in every main plot in the last few games... its hard to think they aren't going anywhere with that that doesn't involve an entire game situated around there
Blue Ninja
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Yeah, there'll definitely be a heavy Imperial presence. I was expecting TESO would be about the next Great War, maybe they'll tackle that in TES VI. An invasion of Summerset (sorry, Alinor) could be interesting.
The Thalmor were barely mentioned until the Keynes novels after Oblivion, though. But still, I see your point.
Plus I just thought of their mainstream angle: boats and pirates!
Morrowind was a huge hit. Hammerfell might pander a bit to the audience market, but I would bet that console gamers would be more receptive than PC games to a game full of Black people. I'm pretty sure the PC community is a lot less diverse.
Hammerfell could definitely be a huge hit, especially if it plays up the pirate shit and tries to appeal to the Game of Thrones crowd. I'd love to have some kind of ship mechanic, so the player could travel in real-time between the ports and islands of Hammerfell.
Deified Data
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Given how absolutely perfect Hammerfell is for the next installment, I simply can't allow myself to believe Bethesda would cave into that kind of racist pressure. My entire perspective on them as a company would change. Not saying it's impossible but I'll keep my cynicism in check until given reason to be.
I know Morrowind was a hit, but it was before console money (Xbox version aside). I haven't looked at the figures but I guess Skyrim blows it out of the water.
Though I think you're right, as I've said above, all they have to do is to find the right mainstream hook.
If Hammerfell involves the Thalmor, would it be a direct sequel to Skyrim? It would be difficult and not very feasible, but imagine if it had a file-transfer system like Mass Effect. The player could start a game based on their choices in Skyrim, especially regarding the civil war.
Slamtastic
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What if I don't want the next game to be Hammerfell not because it's full of black humans, but because it's full of humans?
Give me a beast race game, and try to play up the animal aspects of their culture and physiology and make them more interesting than lizard/cat head on man body.
Give me a beast race game, and try to play up the animal aspects of their culture and physiology and make them more interesting than lizard/cat head on man body.
Rei no Otaku
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If I had my choice the next game would take place in Black Marsh. I love everything I read about that place and Argonians are awesome. Most likely though it will be Hammerfell. It really is the perfect place to set the next game.
Random Painted HIghway
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Great thread. Can't wait for a current gen non mmo game. I need to figure out how to make morrowind pc visually and physically playable, the recent two with console controllers have destroyed my former keyboard playing self.
i think, environment wise, Hammerfell would be a little too safe coming off of Oblivion and Skyrim, which were both fairly "generic" settings, for lack of a better term. i would think the developers would want more of a challenge... not saying Hammerfell couldn't be grand and majestic. but it just seems too predictable and easy to do a desert setting right after a nord setting
also summerset is the most technologically advanced civilization in Tamriel (as far as i'm knowledgeable). having a slight "ancient tech" aesthetic like the dwemer ruins would be kind of cool
also summerset is the most technologically advanced civilization in Tamriel (as far as i'm knowledgeable). having a slight "ancient tech" aesthetic like the dwemer ruins would be kind of cool
Blue Ninja
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I'd hate that. I hope TES VI takes place at least ten years after Skyrim, so they can brush over the choices you made in Skyrim (for instance the destruction of the Dark Brotherhood, the death of the Emperor and the reunification of Skyrim), and let you play as a new character.
From what I gathered, Alinor under the Thalmor also has a bit of an Orwellian feel, with the Thalmor NSA-ing everyone and getting rid of any dissident voices. That'd be interesting, but I wager not very fun to explore.
lol that's never going to happen
As cool as the Argonians are, I don't think we'll ever see Black Marsh or Elseweyr outside of Online or another game encompassing the whole of Tamriel.
i figured that too. if the next game takes place there it'll probably be after some kind of dissolution of the Thalmor (or at least i'd hope so)
I disagree. If we go to Summerset, the Thalmor will be the main antagonists. They were set up to be such horrible villains, but without any payoff.