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The Formula 1 2012 Season |OT| The Year of the...uh...Platypus?

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mclaren777

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I made you guys a present...

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All the teams do this each race weekend most of the time. The wind tunnel can never fully replicate the effect of being in the real world, totally evident from Ferrari's poor wind tunnel results and they use the old Toyota wind tunnel, which iirc is the most advanced.

But you gotta admit. It feels good knowing that they're panicing lol
 

Ark

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But you gotta admit. It feels good knowing that they're panicing lol

It nice to see that Red Bull seem to be less sure footed than they were last year ;)

I don't want to say anything until this weekend is over though, RBR have pulled seconds out of their arse before, I wouldn't be surprised to see them do it again.
 

ANDY_098

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WiiU's gonna get it for sure.. which reminds me. I can't wait for Pikmin :D




so they are still not sure if the wind tunnel is fully collaborated or not. That means they're not happy with they're results

They will be checking the results correlate for whatever particular part it was sprayed on.

Wind tunnel models are limited to 60% scale and 50m/s wind speed (unless the teams want to give up a straight line test). Even if the wind tunnel results look fine, by scaling the model to full size and windspeed (i.e. actual parts on the car) some aerodynamic characteristics will not scale equally.

Flow vis gives a quick initial check that the air flow is doing what it is supposed to be for that part. Nothing to do with checking the calibration of the wind tunnel.
 
the hardcore kimi fans are bloody mad

i have this image of them sitting in a dark room, wearing sunglasses, pouring coca cola* over themselves while putting a magnum* somewhere no magnum should EVER go, and self fellating

*other good brands of cola and ice creams are available

almost. replace cola with battery.

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Changing the titles is fine, just don't make blind assumptions about the article you post. I love you really though <3

awww.. :) ... :p

He says they might not make a race until China. LOL!!

No.way! LOL .. I have't even read the article to be honest.. that's really funny hahaha

It nice to see that Red Bull seem to be less sure footed than they were last year ;)

I don't want to say anything until this weekend is over though, RBR have pulled seconds out of their arse before, I wouldn't be surprised to see them do it again.

true.. let's hope it's not the case this year..

Anyone knows the time for the Qualifying and the Race proper? I mean ignoring pre-show.

easy. www.f1.com > click on Australia (right below the banner) > on the right there's the weekend schedule > click on "convert to my local timing"
 

ANDY_098

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All the teams do this each race weekend most of the time. The wind tunnel can never fully replicate the effect of being in the real world, totally evident from Ferrari's poor wind tunnel results and they use the old Toyota wind tunnel, which iirc is the most advanced.



Changing the titles is fine, just don't make blind assumptions about the article you post. I love you really though <3

If you believe the rumours that is actually down to the wind tunnel not being correctly calibrated, rather than normal inconsistency from scaling parts.
 

Ark

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If you believe the rumours that is actually down to the wind tunnel not being correctly calibrated, rather than normal inconsistency from scaling parts.

Well that's what we've been hearing, but Ferrari certainly seem to have the most issues with their wind tunnel.

Another image of the RBR with some flow viz:

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mclaren777

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Yep, that's definitely flowviz. It looks like it was applied to the underside of the front wing and I'm curious how much of it got into the brake ducts.

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ANDY_098

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Yep, that's definitely flowviz. It looks like it was applied to the underside of the front wing and I'm curious how much of it got into the brake ducts.

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Yes. I remember one of the Sky commentators mentioning they were spraying it around the brake ducts.
 

ANDY_098

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Doesn't intermediates change the airflow around the tire? Maybe that's why they're flowvizing with inters on?

Inters will affect the air flow to some degree.

The effect would be pretty small so they wouldn't bother running on inters specifically to look at the airflow around them though, plus it's not like they will create a "wet races only" aero package to optimise it for airflow over inters or wets. I think they were investigating airflow around the brake ducts, it just so happened to be raining at the same time.
 

Septimius

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Has there been any development on the inlet on the Red Bull car, or is the theory about the pocket of air from the inlet and it helping the air over the bump the reigning one?
 

mclaren777

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Has there been any development on the inlet on the Red Bull car, or is the theory about the pocket of air from the inlet and it helping the air over the bump the reigning one?

That theory is still the most logical one. Plus, based on the image I recently posted with the wire screen on the upper vent, I'm now positive that the incoming air is for cooling the driver.
 

ANDY_098

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That theory is still the most logical one. Plus, based on the image I recently posted with the wire screen on the upper vent, I'm now positive that the incoming air is for cooling the driver.

I don't think the top inlet is purely for driver cooling. It will probably have an aero function like being linked to the bottom inlet inside the nose cone and then feeding airflow to the leading edge of the floor.
 

Staab

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Is there any place where the FP was recorded or is there a replay coming up soon on some channel ?
Missed it kinda wanna see :(
 

mclaren777

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What about the bottom inlet. Any clues where that ones leads?

"While I can offer some explanation for the upper slot, this lower one is more of a mystery. Again its use has been rumoured as KERS cooling or blowing the floor." &#8211; Craig Scarborough


It will probably have an aero function like being linked to the bottom inlet inside the nose cone and then feeding airflow to the leading edge of the floor.

Neither vent enters the nose cone at all.

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ANDY_098

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"While I can offer some explanation for the upper slot, this lower one is more of a mystery. Again its use has been rumoured as KERS cooling or blowing the floor." – Craig Scarborough

KERS cooling would be unlikely I think.


Neither vent enters the nose cone at all.

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My mistake, just thinking aloud and forgot.

Any idea what that is in the nose cone? Transmitter maybe? Looks like it has come electrical connectors on it.
 

Polyphony

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The top inlet is probably used for both driver cooling and flow reattachment.

The duct under the nose seems to changed since pre-season testing. It could be used to blow on the splitters or cool electronics. An even more far-fetched solution would be to cool the KERS, but it would have to travel a long way since it's at the rear of the car and the inlet is relatively small.
 

ANDY_098

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It looks like the KERS cooling lines (green braided hose) join at the bottom of the rad. The Renault engine apparently requires less cooling so they can probably cool the KERS with a section of the same rad.
 

mclaren777

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I don't wanna hear any bitchin' about image sizes. F1 porn needs to be in HD!

It certainly looks like wood.
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Needlessly complex, but cool to look at.
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That exhaust tubing is gorgeous.
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Goldrusher

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Argentina's Mar del Plata circuit revealed:

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Looks pretty awesome, especially the pit complex at sea and the roundabout.

5 km long
320 kph top speed on the main straight (900 m), with only the ocean's horizon ahead
1 min 33 lap time

Contracts will be signed next month. At least 3 seasons, first race November 2013.
 

Deadman

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Its much harder to find pictures for my desktop when everything with the front of a car in it is unusable :(

Lots of mclaren pictures this year.
 

defel

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Why are the teams all allowing these close up shots of all the cars? I dont remember seeing similar photos last year.
 

AndyD

aka andydumi
Argentina's Mar del Plata circuit revealed:

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Looks pretty awesome, especially the pit complex at sea and the roundabout.

5 km long
320 kph top speed on the main straight (900 m), with only the ocean's horizon ahead
1 min 33 lap time

Contracts will be signed next month. At least 3 seasons, first race November 2013.

Oh wow. Glad its not that flat farmland karting track.
 

Edmond Dantès

Dantès the White
Concorde agreement whispers
The big whisper in the paddock is that there is about to be a big development in the Concorde Agreement negotiations. This can really only mean one thing: that the non-FOTA teams have thrown in their lot with the Formula One group and have done their own deals, rather than trying to get more from collective bargaining. I am hearing that Ferrari and Red have both agreed to be paid a premium, based on their importance to F1.

With Ferrari one can understand such a deal. It is the only F1 team that Formula One needs to have on its side and in the past it has always done deals that suit it, rather than what is best for the sport. This is how the team ended up getting 2.5 percent of the entire team prize fund, in addition to the same breakdowns as the other teams. This equates to an annual payment of around $20 million more than the others.

Ferrari has the power to negotiate such deals and one has to accept that this is perhaps a better idea than getting into a fight trying to reduce the sums which are ripped out of the sport by the financiers behind the Formula One group. It makes no real sense for the sport to allow the money to disappear, but as the teams are incapable of either working together or taking control of the commercial rights themselves then they must pay the penalty for their lack of nous.

One cannot blame Ecclestone of trying to get the best deal possible, although one can argue that as a fan of the sport he really ought to be interested in putting something back to help develop it at different levels all over the world. He would argue that this is not his job and until someone else get control of the commercial decision-making that is how it will remain.

Red Bull has none of the historical clout of Ferrari, but it has been winning for the last couple of years, although no-one who has been around F1 for a while believes that the Austrian drinks company will stay forever. F1 is a means to an end, but as money is no object and it is easier to win if you spend more than your opposition, Red Bull has positioned itself so that it can get a better pay-off from the Formula One group.
Continued here: http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/stories-from-inside-the-f1-paddock-in-melbourne/

The oft criticised Joe Saward offers his take on the 2013 concorde agreement. He has always had this air of aloofness about him and a contempt for the F1 grandees and his recent appointment to the Caterham board certainly compromises his credibility as an impartial F1 blogger/insider, but it's an interesting insight nonetheless, if true.
 
Another straight-hairpin-straight-hairpin track? Not sure if want.


Did you guys notice the significant change in fuel points for the racemanager league this year?

http://www.f1racemanager.com/faqrules.asp

Huge reduction which makes fuel seemingly slightly less important or at least less bang for your buck. I think they realized last year that it was worth too much for too little money.

And the bets are now 600k a piece not 400k. Big change there as well.


So you think it would be better to swap Total for Mobil 1 for example and upgrade something else?
 
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