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The Bernie tax. The utterly obscene, borderline criminal Bernie tax.OK so i'm confused
BBC struck deal with Sky to ensure BBC remains with F1 but cuts costs
where are costs cut?
The Bernie tax. The utterly obscene, borderline criminal Bernie tax.OK so i'm confused
BBC struck deal with Sky to ensure BBC remains with F1 but cuts costs
where are costs cut?
It helps that they all *know* Lee. Particularly Vettel. I'm a little surprised Kravitz doesn't get the same acknowledgement, though. Also, I assume Brundle's still able to rope people in well enough?
OK so i'm confused
BBC struck deal with Sky to ensure BBC remains with F1 but cuts costs
where are costs cut?
They still have 3 people on the ground at least to front the screen, Camera men are still there and they are still recording their own segments @ each track
Sure they don't have the production guys doing the actual race feeds, but correct me if i am wrong each country has a host broadcaster (in this case Channel 10) that becomes the World Feed that each country takes?
So if thats the case, just where was the huge expense for the BBC?
I am puzzled.
edit: post race DESTROYS sky
its no where NEAR the quality of BBC. They have a ton of work to do and to do that they need to find people with F1 pedigree. EJ gives the owners view, DC the drivers view.
You need F1 background to talk F1 imo :|
edit: surely the bernie tax is still payable? they are still broadcasting it.
I wonder if Sky has any idea what they are in for. Sky seem to think that money can do anything (and generally it can) but unlike Football they will not be able to revolutionise F1 for numerous reasons.
1. They do not control the feed. Even silverstone because the BBC took Silverstone coverage live (as you would expect). This means they can only use what the host broadcaster can provide them
2. They did this with football. 'Bought' the sport basically in the Premier League era and turned it on its head, trippeling the cameras, having more staff on site etc and that has been a revolution. Football coverage is nothing like it used to be and Sky has really taken the English game to an amazing level, in the coverage worldwide and its not the no 1 league (following wise, maybe not quality wise) in the world. The FA could have only dreamed of this in 1991.
3. HOWEVER with Bernies deal and his control, Sky is going to be very restricted to what they can show and how they show it. Unless they can setup their own feeds (yeah right), they will be stuck with what they can get in which case the value add of Sky should be the pundits of the analysis. Right now they are mega fail on this.
Kinda thinking this quite possible could be a be careful what you wish for moment with Sky.
Their biggest mistake was giving F1 its own sports channel. Yes it made them look serious about it but they really don't have enough content to run a full-time channel solely devoted to the sport.
OK so i'm confused
BBC struck deal with Sky to ensure BBC remains with F1 but cuts costs
where are costs cut?
They still have 3 people on the ground at least to front the screen, Camera men are still there and they are still recording their own segments @ each track
Sure they don't have the production guys doing the actual race feeds, but correct me if i am wrong each country has a host broadcaster (in this case Channel 10) that becomes the World Feed that each country takes?
So if thats the case, just where was the huge expense for the BBC?
I am puzzled.
edit: post race DESTROYS sky
its no where NEAR the quality of BBC. They have a ton of work to do and to do that they need to find people with F1 pedigree. EJ gives the owners view, DC the drivers view.
You need F1 background to talk F1 imo :|
yeah and i think it gives the impression they charge more for that channel even though they don't
Yes the F1 clashes with Premier League in the european season, but get around it somehow
For Melbourne, the BBC began race coverage from 2pm on Sunday, with its extended highlights package reaching a peak audience of 3.2 million 100,000 higher than live coverage of the same race in 2011, which peaked at 3.1 million.
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Can anyone of you edit their teams in f1racemanager?
I get this
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/276067/red-bull-also-hoping-for-super-f-duct-clarification/I think that there are different interpretations of the rear wing of the Mercedes, Christian Horner, Red Bull Team Principal, is quoted as saying by Autosport. We have had some discussions with Charlie (Whiting, FIA technical delegate) and we chose not to protest it this weekend. There were other teams who were perhaps even more animated than we were, but I think it is something that we just want clarity on because one could argue that it is a switch that is affected by the driver.
Their biggest mistake was giving F1 its own sports channel. Yes it made them look serious about it but they really don't have enough content to run a full-time channel solely devoted to the sport.
Afternoon slot according to the reports.Yeah there is no whet near enough content to fill each week. I'm wondering did they only make the channel to try and appease the angry fans.
It wouldn't surprise me if they just changed in it to "sky sports 5" next year or the year after.
And 1m audience, what time was that for? 1m people watched a 6am race? I don't believe that, bbc would struggle to get that.
I used it and then had 5 live going on my phone. It s a HD feed and the quality was amazing with only a couple of issues buffering and having the commentary become out of sync because of that. Going to grab a hdmi av adapter and hook it up to the tv for the next race, 69p well spent.
People claim a lot of stuff. That said, it's no secret that Button is easier on his tyres.Edmond Dantès;36164871 said:Also, people are claiming that the reason Lewis is struggling to defeat Jenson is the Pirelli tyres and not been able to adapt to them and that he would be eviscerating Jenson if they were still using Bridgetone tyres.
Both Lotus and Red Bull considered the possibility of a protest against the Mercedes in Australia, but elected against doing so for now because they preferred to try and sort the matter out behind closed doors.
It normally takes until Tues or Wed for them to finish updating.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98184
No protest at the moment, which is good news for everyone.
And 1m audience, what time was that for? 1m people watched a 6am race? I don't believe that, bbc would struggle to get that.
Such a good post.I wonder if Sky has any idea what they are in for. Sky seem to think that money can do anything (and generally it can) but unlike Football they will not be able to revolutionise F1 for numerous reasons.
1. They do not control the feed. Even silverstone because the BBC took Silverstone coverage live (as you would expect). This means they can only use what the host broadcaster can provide them
2. They did this with football. 'Bought' the sport basically in the Premier League era and turned it on its head, trippeling the cameras, having more staff on site etc and that has been a revolution. Football coverage is nothing like it used to be and Sky has really taken the English game to an amazing level, in the coverage worldwide and its not the no 1 league (following wise, maybe not quality wise) in the world. The FA could have only dreamed of this in 1991.
3. HOWEVER with Bernies deal and his control, Sky is going to be very restricted to what they can show and how they show it. Unless they can setup their own feeds (yeah right), they will be stuck with what they can get in which case the value add of Sky should be the pundits of the analysis. Right now they are mega fail on this.
Kinda thinking this quite possible could be a be careful what you wish for moment with Sky.
It's a sound theory though and it wouldn't first time in F1 history that one driver was more suited to a brand of tyres than another.I'm sure others will differ, but I wont be watching Sky when it's a straight out fight on live coverage vs live coverage. I just wasn't that impressed.
I might feel differently if I was watching in shiny HD with surround sound, but I'm not (Watching on the 360).
People claim a lot of stuff. That said, it's no secret that Button is easier on his tyres.
Edmond Dantès;36164871 said:Afternoon slot according to the reports.
Also, people are claiming that the reason Lewis is struggling to defeat Jenson is the Pirelli tyres and not been able to adapt to them and that he would be eviscerating Jenson if they were still using Bridgetone tyres.
I didnt watch it on Sky, how often were they breaking during the race?
those V8's are pretty damn fast!
Edmond Dantès;36165440 said:It's a sound theory though and it wouldn't first time in F1 history that one driver was more suited to a brand of tyres than another.
Meh, so what. You got to adapt to what is given to you. Lewis is still a very capable driver, one of the fastest when he takes his happy pills, and Jenson was using Bridgestone when he won his championship, so to me it's a moot point.
Button is basically a better driver then what anybody thought. And he has the fittest girlfriend out there by a country mile. He wins at life.
I don't know why, but this is still kinda surprising for me. I really can't get it in my head.
I don't know why, but this is still kinda surprising for me. I really can't get it in my head.
No ad breaks on race or qualification, as I understand it.
(Did they break between quali phases?)
It seems to be surprising everyone - a lot of people continually underrate him. I remember an interview with Ross Brawn who said about Button in 2009 "I knew he was good, but not that good."
Kinda says it all really.
ie. "We're gonna see what we can do to tweak the car between now and Malaysia. If it's not enough, we'll protest".http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98184
No protest at the moment, which is good news for everyone.
Briatore also recently took back his vitriolic comments about Jenson. He has seen the light like many F1 observers.It seems to be surprising everyone - a lot of people continually underrate him. I remember an interview with Ross Brawn who said about Button in 2009 "I knew he was good, but not that good."
Kinda says it all really.
ie. "We're gonna see what we can do to tweak the car between now and Malaysia. If it's not enough, we'll protest".
Brundle struggled to get Jenson Button
BBC got him in a flash
I still remember his first season at Williams, he was pretty awesome for a rookie, then he got caught up in so much rubbish about changing teams, then not changing teams, breaking contracts etc that he never had a good car or the same focus I think. I think it has taken him a while to get his head right, which he had to do before he could get a good car to show what he could do.
Edmond Dantès;36165659 said:Briatore also recently took back his vitriolic comments about Jenson. He has seen the light like many F1 observers.
Yeah, I've always followed him (though not been a massive fan until recently) since he was at BAR with Villeneuve. He's matured a ton since those days... and it shows. Say what you want about the "new-gen" drivers like Vettel and Hamilton, I'm still sentimental for the more "classic" types like Webber, Button and Alonso. Hopefully V and H will grow into those moulds soon enough.Edmond Dantès;36165659 said:Briatore also recently took back his vitriolic comments about Jenson. He has seen the light like many F1 observers.
It shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone after his fantastic 2004 season and the doggedness and tenacity he exhibited during the turbulent Honda years. He paid his dues and is reaping the benefis now.
Wasn't Brundle struggling to get him in real-time while the Beeb got him after a cut?
(I'm actually not really doubting the Beeb's clout with everyone in the paddock, here, I think you're right that they have a lot more swing with, well, everybody, and I suspect that'll be very apparent when we get to the live races)
A quick aside: There was a brief shot of Damon Hill during the race, and Coulthard highlighted how glum he was looking.
First: A deliberate (if light) snipe?
Second: What did Sky's commentary say at that point?
Third: Will Sky still have Damon available if he's on stewarding duties? I know he's done it a few times.
Wasn't Brundle struggling to get him in real-time while the Beeb got him after a cut?
(I'm actually not really doubting the Beeb's clout with everyone in the paddock, here, I think you're right that they have a lot more swing with, well, everybody, and I suspect that'll be very apparent when we get to the live races)
A quick aside: There was a brief shot of Damon Hill during the race, and Coulthard highlighted how glum he was looking.
First: A deliberate (if light) snipe?
Second: What did Sky's commentary say at that point?
Third: Will Sky still have Damon available if he's on stewarding duties? I know he's done it a few times.
It's not exactly a complicated system. Their main problem would be fitting it in at this late stage.more like "we'll try to squeeze as much info as we can. if not sufficient, we'll protest"
Coulthard said that it looked like someone had stolen Hill's chips.They didn't say anything in particular. Just a sort of "There he is"