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The iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch Gaming |OT2| Part II
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Dash Kappei
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Honestly, Touch Arcade is awful.
I would compare it to a bad doodle jump clone app.
Right now you either have the behemots like IGN which are not really suited for the platform, or cheapo barren lands like Touch Arcade which are either mostly full of talibans-like fanboys or people who fall in the "FREE=Decent=5stars AppStore review" category. Good for news and pre-release hands on but not much more, imo.
iOS gaming journalism's still missing his Cut The Rope kind of deal, a sleek, easy to read, quick BUT extremely polished and thought out reviews website.
There's plenty of room for creating something awesome and hopefully that room will be filled asap.
For now, I mostly do with GAF and gameplay videos.
Good thing I'm around and I noticed your post!
I don't think you've read the rules.
Please do and edit your post (or post again), ok?
In the meantime I've accepted your friend request, just so it's clear that it's not because I'm anal about rules or anything similarly idiotic
All the other people who haven't been added as well: please read the rules posted on the list's code and such, they're pretty clear but many people seam to just skimp over them.
I would compare it to a bad doodle jump clone app.
Right now you either have the behemots like IGN which are not really suited for the platform, or cheapo barren lands like Touch Arcade which are either mostly full of talibans-like fanboys or people who fall in the "FREE=Decent=5stars AppStore review" category. Good for news and pre-release hands on but not much more, imo.
iOS gaming journalism's still missing his Cut The Rope kind of deal, a sleek, easy to read, quick BUT extremely polished and thought out reviews website.
There's plenty of room for creating something awesome and hopefully that room will be filled asap.
For now, I mostly do with GAF and gameplay videos.
hulot said:
Good thing I'm around and I noticed your post!
I don't think you've read the rules.
Please do and edit your post (or post again), ok?
In the meantime I've accepted your friend request, just so it's clear that it's not because I'm anal about rules or anything similarly idiotic
All the other people who haven't been added as well: please read the rules posted on the list's code and such, they're pretty clear but many people seam to just skimp over them.
RelentlessRolento
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wondermega
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As a developer, TouchArcade is very useful to me for many reasons. But to be honest, I get a lot more clicks (and appreciation) from gaf (even though.. gaf's scarier!) TA is not necessarily more friendly (a lot of people over there are tech-sluts), but gaf can be swift and cruel. This thread has been largely redeeming in my eyes, and save for the format, it's one of my go-to places to talk about/read about iOS games. It is inconvenient having "a giant thread" vs a dedicated forum to peruse for obvious reasons, but the mentality/maturity in here make up for the drawbacks.
Arbitrary code execution is the difference (vs just reading a file in GoodReader), it's just one of the rules. Probably not a security risk, but you never know. Maybe someone figures out a way to load code that could cause some exploit and break out...you don't run that risk at all if you just don't allow arbitrary code execution in the first place.mrklaw said:
And those were in a gray area for a while too actually, for a short time it was no interpreters/non native code at all, but they backed off (cause a lot of devs needed it) and reduced it to no arbitrary code. You can emulate whatever, but the emulated code has to be approved too.Radogol said:You can install Windows on DOS, that seems like a good enough reason to pull it
That does look quite nice. The game itself I mean, not the thumbnail.Piggus said:
Virtual Table Tennis is pretty good play wise, but isn't nearly as fancy or pornographic looking as that.
RelentlessRolento
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wondermega said:
same here. TouchArcade has incentives, but the crowd that surrounds it isn't the brightest >_<
RaySpencer
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AstroLad said:
Yeah, I will pick up Samurai next I think. What I need now though, is a Race for the Galaxy iOS port! Just got done playing it for the first time, and its really good, but its hard keeping track of all the little things in that game.
Im really not sure why there isnt more boardgames on iOS, its pretty much perfect for all of them, and if they made more of them I would pick up an iPad, so I could do that Scrabble thing, with iPhones/Touches and an iPad. It would be perfect!
VGChampion
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I'm back in the iOS gaming mood. Time to look back and find some games I may have missed out on in the past few months.
I've purchased a lot of games that don't hold my interest but Angry Birds and Solitaire City I still play.
I've purchased a lot of games that don't hold my interest but Angry Birds and Solitaire City I still play.
Yeah I totally agree about that. Why it kind of kills me when half-ass implementations come out. (And at this point I'm ready to say that any implementation that doesn't have at least planned online is half-assed.)Nobiru said:
It's not quite iOS, but if you like RFTG you should try out Keldon's AI: http://www.keldon.net/rftg/ It also has netplay which we've organized in the Board Game Thread a couple times. Quite fun.
Gamecocks625
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AstroLad said:
like Risk. Man, I was so looking forward to the official Risk app, but it seems like a poor man's representation of it. Give IP like that to developers who have a passion for the particular board game.
There is one game I played as a kid with my brothers that I need to look up....
EDIT:
I think it's Castles and Catapults (or is it Crossbows and Catapults). That would be AWESOME has a multiplayer game. That's probably my favorite board game from my childhood.
It's times like this where I wish I actually knew how to develop games. I'd make all this stuff myself instead of waiting for someone to make a crappy version.
DancingJesus
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Giard said:Not free for me
Yeah, I dunno looks like FAAD changed today's app.
It now says "Zombie and Lawn" is the 22'nds app.
Dash Kappei
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Tobor said:
Same here', it's the only rogue like for me together with Shiren DS, and I Love it.
I stopped playing it, too many rage inducing crashes and the game started pissing me off badly for that sole reason, hopefully it'll get fixed (iPad)
Dash Kappei
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Guys, when I update a game, does it only download the update or is it the whole game again? I'm asking because I remember not being able to download DDPachi's previous update over 3G, leaving me with no game to play until I could hook up to a wifi network... There's a new update for the game I hadn't noticed before, but I don't want to get stuck again.
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Xater said:
Same here :|
Dash Kappei
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Citizen K said:
That is fucking retarded.
Reminds me of how Sony handles game patches.
Minsc
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Dash Kappei said:
Not really. The only other choice would be a extremely complex patching system that would confuse the hell out of everyone. There's sometimes over 30 updates over a single app's life (of which you could easily have 200+ on your device, so that's like 5,000+ updates), and making the user download 30 patches for a single app would be 1000x more frustrating that a single download, or managing a complex updating file that is compatible with every version of the app would be a nightmare too for developers I think.
You ever try to update WoW or NWN2? It can take 3+ hours if you're on an outdated copy as it incrementally patches the app. Then there's stuff like DoW where you actually need like 2x the free space the game takes up to patch it, because of the way it needs to unpack the game's files in order to patch them and then repack them, and the whole process can take quite a long time.
TurboLibre
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Tobor said:
It's crashed on me in almost every play session. Fun game but I'm probably not going to try it again. Actually most game on my touch crash way too often, I can only think of a few that I haven't had problems with.
Minsc said:
Updating an entire app or os every time really does make sense. Obviously, there's a line when it comes to download size, but generally, you know where everyone stands when an entire app is considered a single package and re downloaded each time. Take iTunes, for example. If you have the most recent version of 10.1, you know it's completely identical to everyone elder who has 10.1. There's no one with a version from, say, 9.6, that has been patched 36 times, and god knows how many corrupted bits.
I'm guessing as a developer, it's easier to troubleshoot certain things when you can tale at least that out of the equation.
Assuming you mean "chances," no chance. The freeware/homebrew stuff is probably fine (depending on their license) but you already saw what happened to iDOS for not locking out random outside code. Well also I'm not sure about the emulation of those systems either, that would be up to Nintendo/Sega.Rlan said:What are the changes of an iDS, iGenesis an iGB popping up that are filled with freeware / homebrew games, which then allow for iPhone explorer emulation?
I've mentioned Block Rogue a few times, Sokoban-like but with extra twists to the formula, nice and polished, has a few hundred levels and a random generator so you never run out of levels basically. It could use a control tweak and outside music support though. (the music kind of reminds me of Layton's puzzle music though so I don't mind too much except when I'm playing a long stint).VGChampion said:I'm back in the iOS gaming mood. Time to look back and find some games I may have missed out on in the past few months.
I've purchased a lot of games that don't hold my interest but Angry Birds and Solitaire City I still play.
This shows the extra elements other than the traditional block: rolling boulders (don't stop until they hit a wall), lasers (always on but can be blocked), and the up/down switch blocks:
And there's the story thing to it if you're into that. There's 25 pages of some story scattered throughout the map (and you can only progress forward), at the end of each "path" it tells you where each one is, or you can just run into them yourself as you're playing. Kinda nice if you're a completionist and need some arbitrary goal beyond just solving puzzles.
DancingJesus said:Yeah, I dunno looks like FAAD changed today's app.
It now says "Zombie and Lawn" is the 22'nds app.
Hopefully Robot Unicorn Attack will go free tomorrow then. Maybe they held it back because they wanted to be super awesome and drop the price on the HD version too...
Don't cry over Robot Unicorn Attack if it won't be free where you live. I played the iOS version and hated it, there was something strangely off about it.
I haven't posted here in a while, but since then I've purchased Tilt To Live's ¡Viva La Turret! expansion and omg, it's sogood.
I haven't posted here in a while, but since then I've purchased Tilt To Live's ¡Viva La Turret! expansion and omg, it's sogood.
TouchMyBox
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dallow_bg said:
Or he's referring to the fact that with both retail and downloadable games, PS3 patches binaries by replacing them outright instead of doing just a .diff type file like on xbox 360. Sony's approach though is rad because it means you can have a patch that's more than 4MB big.
Logistically yes. But when you have massive apps being updated way too often, it just gets silly. I went through and did a big update in iTunes, as there were too many apps needing updates on my iPad. Within a few weeks I had over 50 updates again. A bunch aren't really needed, and I bet a ton are just changes to the main code, not any of the assets, so just replacing that could be enough.mrkgoo said:
I'd lime some way for developers to indicate whether it's a critical update or not. Sometimes I wonder if so e devs use the updates as a way to keep people aware of their app, almost like free marketing.
mrklaw said:
Well, they always tell you what an update is in iTunes, and often it does just say it's a maintenance or to fix a particular bug.
Where I live we have data caps, so I tend to just leave the smaller app updates, or for apps I don't use until nearer to the end of the month. It's no big deal.
I guess if you hate the little badge icon (which I do), and get a bit obsessive over updates it could get annoying.
Gamecocks625
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the only thing that sucks about games like Secret of Mana is when you take long breaks between plays, you have no idea what to do next. I'm totally lost.
Speaking of lost....Lost Company is looking good. Just saw a few new screenshots at TA
Speaking of lost....Lost Company is looking good. Just saw a few new screenshots at TA
QUICK OPINION QUESTION
I'm putting the finishing touches on a game I'm making that has GameCenter support. It's a score attack game, somewhat light on content, but I think it's pretty fun. My question is achievement related. Should I give the full amount (1,000) when completing the 8 achievements, or should I give it more of an XBLA type score of 200? Skilled players may be able to get all 8 in one day. What do you guys think?
I'm putting the finishing touches on a game I'm making that has GameCenter support. It's a score attack game, somewhat light on content, but I think it's pretty fun. My question is achievement related. Should I give the full amount (1,000) when completing the 8 achievements, or should I give it more of an XBLA type score of 200? Skilled players may be able to get all 8 in one day. What do you guys think?
Gamecocks625 said:
omg, this, rofl. Doesn't help that SoM doesn't have any sort of quest log or anything, all you need to remember is some comment made in the last town to remember what to do. I just make sure to go to the place where I need to be so I naturally progress myself.
crazygambit
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BuzzJive said:
Definitely save some up for future updates.
I just finished Pro Zombie Soccer and it was a blast! Really polished game, loved it.
Minsc
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Timedog said:
From an earlier post of mine:
Updated Crystal Defenders, I liked it a bit more now that I gave it another shot. 7 Cities is also pretty fun. I think I preferred the original GeoDefense but I haven't played much swarm... I do greatly prefer TD games where there's a preset path and you don't need to use 100+ towers to make a maze like path yourself.
The top spots would definitely be Plants vs Zombies by a long shot, then Defender Chronicles, Sentinels 3, iBomber Defense I think, but most of the above would be good enough to give a shot for a TD fan. Defender Chronicles is only 99 cents and probably has more content in it than all the above games combined!
Speaking of Defender Chronicles, why haven't we heard anything about a sequel or more updates? No game center or iPad support has been added, and no extra content at all in over 6 months. I want more! I'll be happy to pay for it if he does a full on sequel, I paid $6 for the first game and got every penny out of it.
If you have any plans of having new achievements that award points in the future as part of an update, then don't use all 1000 points. When Tilt To Live came out with their latest update, they added new achievements with zero points. When someone asked why, the reason was that all 1000 points were used in their previous achievements, so they could only add 0-point ones thereafter.BuzzJive said:
From a consumer-facing perspective, the only value of points-per-achievement is to assign some kind of weight to their difficulty. I guess it's a parallel type of scoreboard that two players could use against each other. But I have no idea if people really compare that kind of stuff or not. It does seem silly to have achievements which will be trivial for a decent player to get the entire set, though. They aren't really achievements, then, are they?
Dash Kappei
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dallow_bg said:
Uh? I didn't mention PSN games at all, I was referring to game updates.
If Gran Turismo 5 gets another 200mb patch on top of the 600MB one there is now, you'll have to download the whole 800MB anew; for Xbox360 games you can stack updates so that if you already had the 600 patch you'd only download the 200MB left consisting in the new update.
And Apple's decision is just a relic of when 99% of the apps were less than 10MB and thus you could also download them on 3G.
Since it became an established media and gaming platform the whole story has changed, iOS4 and the folders structure added tell exactly that story: Apple wants you to use iOS in as many ways as possible, to get as many apps as possible and to keep them in your device by buying 64GB skus. Now many apps far exceed 50MB and it's really not convenient to wake up every day with 4 or 5 apps that need to be downloaded again when you just did that a couple of weeks before and are left out until you can hook up to your wifi network.
It's also definitely unpleasant that you might be unable to download an important update on-the-go when you may need it the most, thus defying the means of a mobile platform.
SuperPac
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Aske said:
What gave you the idea that Robot Unicorn Attack would be going free? I'm pretty sure I would've heard about that (because I work at Adult Swim), and yet I haven't.
EDIT: Whoa, just looked at that link. (http://freeappaday.com/napp.php?id=785)
I'm fairly certain we have never been contacted by these people. So it kind of perplexes me why Robot Unicorn Attack showed up there. I definitely would know if/when we were going to do something like this.
Dash Kappei
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Just a quick off-topic post:
You all probably already know it, but maybe it'll be useful to somebody anyway:
other than emoji which can only be seen on iPhone/iPad/etc if you add the japanese keyboard you get all the usual 2chan-like emoticons on the ready, which is better than nothing I guess
(＾ｰ^)(^-^)/(^O^)／＼(^o^)／ ( T_T)＼(^-^ )（＾∇＾）ヾ(＠⌒ー⌒＠ノ
and so on...
You all probably already know it, but maybe it'll be useful to somebody anyway:
other than emoji which can only be seen on iPhone/iPad/etc if you add the japanese keyboard you get all the usual 2chan-like emoticons on the ready, which is better than nothing I guess
(＾ｰ^)(^-^)/(^O^)／＼(^o^)／ ( T_T)＼(^-^ )（＾∇＾）ヾ(＠⌒ー⌒＠
ノand so on...
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