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Social The Joker controversy

Nightrunner

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A non-controversy IMO some folks just get triggered too easily. I was kinda surprised to see sold out seats since Hollywood stuff here doesn't really pack cinemas unless its something like Endgame.
The film itself reminded me of Taxi Driver and Network along with a bit of King of Comedy (especially with regards to the origin story) thrown in though it seems a lot like Scorsese's films from the '70s and early '80s. Overall a good film but very derivative if you're familiar with the movies I mentioned.
 

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haven't seen the movie yet but checking out a lot of reviews. it sounds great.

one thing i notice is people saying "This film isn't political at all" which is a silly as fuck statement to make, from the sound of the plot. for instance i hear he kills some wall street guys, guess that is not political at all, nope, definitely not saying anything about class, no sirree.

it's like if the politics doesn't line up 1:1 with a 100% degree of accuracy covering all the LGBTQ alphabet it's "Not political". then again these same critics think a lot of absolute nihilist garbage has "good politics" in it.
 

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It has political undertones, like the protests by the "have-nots" and the Joker's medicine being cut off because the government stopped funding it. Mostly I thought this movie was about mental health, as you can watch the whole movie and not be able to differentiate between what was real and not real since the Joker is an unreliable narrator throughout the entire movie.
 
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haven't seen the movie yet but checking out a lot of reviews. it sounds great.

one thing i notice is people saying "This film isn't political at all" which is a silly as fuck statement to make, from the sound of the plot. for instance i hear he kills some wall street guys, guess that is not political at all, nope, definitely not saying anything about class, no sirree.

it's like if the politics doesn't line up 1:1 with a 100% degree of accuracy covering all the LGBTQ alphabet it's "Not political". then again these same critics think a lot of absolute nihilist garbage has "good politics" in it.
The thing is Joker's character
isn't political, he has no political reason for killing the Wall street dudes but him doing so does spark a political movement, especially after a comment Thomas Wayne makes. His hatred of Thomas Wayne is also non-political, he has his own reasons in the film. Though I would argue the stuff to do with his laugh he can't control and the subjectivity of humor is political.
 
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#Phonepunk#

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I’m listening to Chapo talk about it they seem to think there is a lot more there than people are giving it credit for. It sounds like there is a lot of class conscious stuff in the film. He is shown being failed by the system. He has a realistic relationship with a social services worker. TBH I haven’t seen the film yet but all this sounds quite substantitive

Makes sense the SJW media would want to bury that as well, they have an inherent distrust of anything class based. Identity based is all that matters to them, and is used by the corporate media to alienate leftist movements. His identity as a straight white man is the overriding factor, any thing they say can be dismissed because of that. Notice these people deciding there is nothing there, since the identity is incorrect. It is funny to see so many people declare they won’t see it, I’m almost getting AVGN flashbacks. This time with Oscar judges! This film seems to be exposing all these frauds as intellectually checked out and irrational ideologues

Funny how when u look at the 20 or so Marvel films there is zero class consciousness or look at how the system fails people. The heros live in a bubble of layered elitist secret societies. Everyone is super rich and lives in a skyscraper. They only interact with real people if they have to save them. The heroes of the “socialist” left, everyone!
 
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Just came back from watching it. Wow, what a movie, holy shit. I knew I was going to like it after I read some stuff about it but I wasn't expecting it to exceed my expectations this way. Phoenix needs to get the Oscar, it would be a crime not to give it to him, amazing how he metamorphoses through the whole movie, mentally and physically. Such an intense performance.

The movie is really relevant for today's social and political climate, I think there are lots of layers to dissect there which is strange for a movie about an old comic character who's story is so well known to feel so real and in tune with today's context.

The thing about the Joker's apolitical persona is the irony of it becoming political. That's one of the important messages IMO, even an apolitical position is in itself political. His nihilism becomes political in the grand scheme of things and inspires a sort of revolution. His personal issues, personal as they are and disconnected from a personal political position, become political inside a society and he connects with other people in similar personal situations. Another thing I found interesting is that I think the movie can resonate with very different political groups for different but ultimately similar reasons, from groups on the right to the left the movie talks to a lot of people on many levels. It could even set a sort of common ground in some subjects between people in opposite sides of the political spectrum.

A truly remarkable film.
 
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Just came back from watching it. Wow, what a movie, holy shit. I knew I was going to like it after I read some stuff about it but I wasn't expecting it to exceed my expectations this way. Phoenix needs to get the Oscar, it would be a crime not to give it to him, amazing how he metamorphoses through the whole movie, mentally and physically. Such an intense performance.

The movie is really relevant for today's social and political climate, I think there are lots of layers to dissect there which is strange for a movie about an old comic character who's story is so well known to feel so real and in tune with today's context.

The thing about the Joker's apolitical persona is the irony of it becoming political. That's one of the important messages IMO, even an apolitical position is in itself political. His nihilism becomes political in the grand scheme of things and inspires a sort of revolution. His personal issues, personal as they are and disconnected from a personal political position, become political inside a society and he connects with other people in similar personal situations. Another thing I found interesting is that I think the movie can resonate with very different political groups for different but ultimately similar reasons, from groups on the right to the left the movie talks to a lot of people on many levels. It could even set a sort of common ground in some subjects between people in opposite sides of the political spectrum.

A truly remarkable film.
That's exactly the thing about this whole manufactured shitshow. The Joker has always been defined as pretty much a nihilist/chaotic force. He doesn't have any regard for humanity. Dude doesn't have much of a regard for himself other than staying around to create mayhem.

Good post dude.
 
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It has political undertones, like the protests by the "have-nots" and the Joker's medicine being cut off because the government stopped funding it. Mostly I thought this movie was about mental health, as you can watch the whole movie and not be able to differentiate between what was real and not real since the Joker is an unreliable narrator throughout the entire movie.
Yep, absolutely not political in my mind, the political part of the story is just an undercurrent. No meat to it's bones what so ever.