Hierophant
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Corporations pumping out endless regurgitated media is purely a new invention by this guy ofc
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"The Last Night" (Milkshake Duck incarnate) E3 Trailer [XBO/Win10/Steam 2018]
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Hierophant
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Actually the real cyberpunks are capitalists
Sibersk Esto
Banned
And yet, last night, people were saying how brilliant this game looks, that's the issue I'm getting at, the game still looks brilliant, it's a shame that one of the most impressive visual art styles we've seen at E3 thus far is attached to Gamergate. And thanks to NeoGAF, gaming websites, etc, people now have to feel bad about wanting to play it, I want to play it because it's visual style is amazing and is dripping with atmosphere, but I feel like I can't say such a thing here because people will say I'm supporting Gameragte, i must hate women, etc, which sucks, where as your average gamer just seeing this on YouTube or advertised on the store can happily buy this without feeling bad about it and enjoy this still amazing art style.
Spring-Loaded
Member
This game sounds like it should be a fake video game within a much better cyberpunk story.
Perhaps we're currently living in the cyberpunk dystopia already?
again: cyberpunkasses
What sucks as that this dude tainted his own project with that garbage, not that people are pointing it out.
Hierophant
Banned
Just no amazing sense of style (of which the point is that those pretty lights were built on the corpses of millions)
Ninja Scooter
Member
You don't have to feel anything.
ElectronicOldMen
Banned
It's a wildly shallow sense of style though if it doesn't make good on why the world is as it is.
But yes, we are living in the cyberpunk dystopia.
But yes, we are living in the cyberpunk dystopia.
Yes of course that, but also if anyone here buys it, will they be shunned too? Will this become one a blacklisted game on NeoGAF where we can't talk about it? I'll be getting the game at some point,. hopefully via a Steam Sale or something, but what if people want to talk about what this game does visually or audibly?
cartographer
Member
I don't think you potentially being momentarily bothered by pondering what your purchase decisions may or may not say about you qualifies as a shame.
Not to mention that I don't see anybody accusing fellow posters about being GGers if they think the game looks cool. The thread is long enough I'm sure a few examples could be dug up, but the focus hasn't really been on shaming consumers. That seems more like an insecurity issue than a GAF issue.
You don't have to feel the same way.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
The dude went on for years about how the game is about "feminism" winning and was a clear scumbag online. Tons of games have amazing art style, they don't have scumbag developers behind them.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Such a shame, cause it looks fucking splendid visually. 
I can't believe that "cosplay =/= consent" mocking tweet.
I can't believe that "cosplay =/= consent" mocking tweet.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Well, nobody is forcing anyone to feel bad for playing it, but if you do, are you supporting GG. You're directly giving money to people that peddle that shit.
If you feel that you are being forced to dislike it, then all that tells me is that you are trying to ignore what you know to be true.
For a moment there I was *very* confused, but then I remembered. Shit like that just goes down the memory hole, so consider your point made.
Hierophant
Banned
The good ending will actually directly lead into the events of Cyberpunk 2077 with its dystopia creation
We live in a time where if you don't like what the media reports you attack them or call them fake news instead of questioning the subject of their reporting.
Aside from most people who could see the future implications of supporting a hate movement?
Once you spend money on it you will be supporting someone who harbors GG views, whether you had known it or not. However you feel about what you do after knowing this is on you, not on anyone else.
The real shame is that:
A) There will inevitably be people who will buy the game while remaining ignorant of the views sported by the developer, and who might have otherwise not supported the game had they known.
B) There will be people who will buy the game because the developer has those hateful views.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
Member
Read some william gibson books instead, he's a good man
I'll tell you about it once I'm finished.
More_Badass
Member
Look, I absolutely love the look of the game. I still love the aesthetic and pixel artistry. I've been yelling from the rooftops on GAF for years because the pixel art is so damn gorgeous. It was gorgeous then, it was gorgeous yesterday, right now, and in the future
But this isn't a pixel art gallery and it isn't merely a visual showcase. This is going to a very story focused game. The writer has said it isn't really a cinematic "platformer" per se, more focused on narrative and interactions. One of the early glimpses of the new version was how you could use your gun to influence a conversation; that's where their mindset is with the game's focus.
I totally get wanting to play this because it looks awesome visually, but a game isn't some compartmentalized thing. A game is a tightly woven weave, every aspect built upon and influencing another. That's why I'm so bummed about this; the draw here was that narrative-driven choice-driven cyberpunk adventure in this pixel art world. The story is going to be ingrained in the atmosphere and the gameplay. And right now, as far as we know, that story, the backstory of the world, and the characters are crafted from this creator's perspective and ideology.
Lets think this through.
Imagine how invested in gamer gate and anti-feminism you have to be to invest your company into a huge game project entirely about anti-feminism. That isn't something you do unless you live and breath that kind of ideology. I feel like some people are going light on this because it's easy for some to excuse anti-feminism.
If this were instead a game originally pitched as a dystopia caused by the public acceptance of movements like BLM, would the same people be so quick to accept that he's "changed"?
Imagine how invested in gamer gate and anti-feminism you have to be to invest your company into a huge game project entirely about anti-feminism. That isn't something you do unless you live and breath that kind of ideology. I feel like some people are going light on this because it's easy for some to excuse anti-feminism.
If this were instead a game originally pitched as a dystopia caused by the public acceptance of movements like BLM, would the same people be so quick to accept that he's "changed"?
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
The real irony here is that this guy probably buys into the GG philosophy that games shouldn't have narratives.
Yup, people need to start thinking of GG as the KKK. The casual handwaiving of sexism in the games industry is exactly what gives GG the momentum to continue existing.
Hierophant
Banned
I love the idea of people not being able to work as a reason for the dystopia, as if becoming a cog in the machine for a corporation is real cyberpunk
Absoludacrous
Member
You would have the exact same people saying the exact same things. The people who want to stick their head in the sand over feminism are the same who would do it over BLM.
How many of the products you buy daily have a bio on the front?
Oh look it's this tired irrelevant argument again.
4 is a cutie
Banned
Shit if the graphics are the only thing worth looking at then I'd just catch a Youtube playthrough or set of gifs
ElectronicOldMen
Banned
TBH my lunch does sometimes feel like it's been imbued from its conception with a misogynistic, pro-capitalist agenda.
Nothing irrelevant about it. You're free to do what you wish with your money, but the topic of ignoring the things that interest you over the opinions of their creators is a discussion I don't mind entertaining.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
The Let's Plays and streams for this game are going to be something else entirely.
Even when your money goes to two shitheads that think women are destroying civilization?
ElectronicOldMen
Banned
When the shitty politics of its creators are reflected in the product itself, which by all accounts is the case here, then it is no longer of interest.
Okay... so where do we draw the line? Because it seems like said line is going to sounds something like "I only apply this stance to people with easily referenced views, while I'm perfectly ok with remaining in the dark about the views of folks who make products/services I thoroughly enjoy".
What else is there at this point?
I mean controversy aside all you have to go on is the trailer, which had minimal gameplay in it.
Like at this point we only know two things about the game.
1 it looks really really pretty
2 the story is likely alt right garbage.
You've played it?
Aenima
Member
They are shietheads, but thers a bigger team behing the game. And i honesty dont care about a dev background, his affiliantions/race/gender/religion etc.
I dont mind the background setting of the game as i will always see it as a work of fiction, as long the game is not GG propaganda im ok with that. I can wait for a review to see if the game is propaganda or not. If not i will gladly pay for it. Dont care who gets my money.
More_Badass
Member
The issues here is that those views are forming the foundation and backbone of the story, world, and characters, by the creator's own admissions.
VibratingDonkey
Member
I have little to no hope that it won't be the worst case scenario, or adjacent to it, but I am a curious to find out what the game ends up being like and what gets made of it. I'll definitely read reviews and things.
Darryl M R
Member
So are people now arguing that it is hypocritical to make informed and conscious decision with your money as consumer because you are not 100% informed or conscious about every product?
From my understanding the dev made his GG views known publicly. People rightfully assume he will layer these views into his game. They do not want to support either him or a game holding those views.
The game looks cool but from what I learned today I don't plan on supporting the guy.
But you know there's nothing stopping others from doing so. Like there is nothing stopping others from discussing his horrible, ignorant, and hateful views.
From my understanding the dev made his GG views known publicly. People rightfully assume he will layer these views into his game. They do not want to support either him or a game holding those views.
The game looks cool but from what I learned today I don't plan on supporting the guy.
But you know there's nothing stopping others from doing so. Like there is nothing stopping others from discussing his horrible, ignorant, and hateful views.
None probably for that reason. Typically I can separate content from creator when I do know though that line is different for everyone. Sone sports fans can support Michael Vick as reformed after killing dogs for sport, others can't. That destinction is personal preference.
Personally I know the harm the harassment campaigns of gamergate caused and despite this game being a perfect match for me will not buy. There's more games than I have time for so a past GG supporter doesn't get my support.
curiouscharles
Member
well, it's up to you if you want to financially support [and thus encourage the propagation of] piece of shit humans.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Straight to personal attacks, great.
They has been quoted time and time again as saying that the game is going to be based on their personal anti-feminist angle. I'm not going to reward rampant and blatant sexism in the games industry with money or praise. We have award shows for that kind of shit.
Your points are valid that the game looks great, however, if you buy this game you will be directly supporting an individual that has very negative views that a mass amount of people find offensive. You can say that you don't believe in the same things he does at all and I wholeheartedly believe you, but that doesn't absolve the fact that your money would go to him and his team.
It sucks but it is the truth. If the KKK started making really nice affordable sports cars for an amazing price, I still wouldn't buy one because of who the product represents. And in this metaphor, since the narrative of the game will have those connections - from all accounts - that car would have KKK upholstered on the seats.
ElectronicOldMen
Banned
i mean ive read the fuckin plot synopsis my man, thats enough to get the picture
I gotcha.
Spring-Loaded
Member
This is especially fitting
7DollarHagane
Banned
You don't have to feel bad about playing this game.
It's your own personal choice if you choose to interact with media created by people who's ideas and opinions you don't like or find to be harmful.
If you can play GTA and murder civilians and torture people and separate that from your own reality and beliefs, the same thing applies here. Fictional media you consume doesn't have to affect your own beliefs.
Now if you think paying money for their product will be somehow harmful to a group of people or otherwise hurtful in any way, it's your choice to disregard the product entirely.
But that's a choice people have to make for themselves and shouldn't be judged or shamed if they don't feel as strongly about avoiding it as other people.
I get that its good to have principles but throwing a small indie dev $20 to play their game isn't going to change the world one way or another. And whatever ideas and themes are actually contained in the game were clearly "good enough" for microsoft to feature in their E3 presentation, whatever the individual developers have said on twitter.
As someone who's pretty adamantly against UBI I find the story to be interesting and hope it's done well. I'll have to find out for myself and make my own judgement on the game.
It's your own personal choice if you choose to interact with media created by people who's ideas and opinions you don't like or find to be harmful.
If you can play GTA and murder civilians and torture people and separate that from your own reality and beliefs, the same thing applies here. Fictional media you consume doesn't have to affect your own beliefs.
Now if you think paying money for their product will be somehow harmful to a group of people or otherwise hurtful in any way, it's your choice to disregard the product entirely.
But that's a choice people have to make for themselves and shouldn't be judged or shamed if they don't feel as strongly about avoiding it as other people.
I get that its good to have principles but throwing a small indie dev $20 to play their game isn't going to change the world one way or another. And whatever ideas and themes are actually contained in the game were clearly "good enough" for microsoft to feature in their E3 presentation, whatever the individual developers have said on twitter.
As someone who's pretty adamantly against UBI I find the story to be interesting and hope it's done well. I'll have to find out for myself and make my own judgement on the game.
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