theCalamity
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He must have pitched his small team of 6 about this feminist dystopia, too, if he was willing to declare the premise openly.
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He must have pitched his small team of 6 about this feminist dystopia, too, if he was willing to declare the premise openly.
veloxStrix
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I think you're trying to fight a battle that's untenable in the current situation. The author's personal opinions are part of the game. This one tweets tells us plenty. The game is set in a world where "modern feminism has won instead of egalitarianism " - simultaneously implying that both feminism and egalitarianism are incompatible (and to the people peddling egalitarianism I suppose they would be) along with subtler indication that, since this is a dystopia, modern feminism is negative on some level. That is what the game about. If you were to say I should ignore his opinions then you would be, through substitution, telling me to ignore the game itself which is seeped in them.
That's even before the "Gamergate" and "notyourshield" nonsense. Which, contrary to some people in this thread, is the part I am less worried about. So many people supported Gamergate for their own reasons while blatantly looking away from the actions and motivations of movement as a whole that claiming oneself as "Gamergate" almost doesn't serve any purpose - other than being a quick litmus test of how capable a person is with interacting with other real human beings.
Krappadizzle
Member
Game looks amazing. I'm gonna get it.
mightynine
Member
Maybe I'm not interested in changing the world, but would rather not support something that based on all appearances is something I don't want to be associated with?
Darryl M R
Member
I wouldn't know. I'm backtracking in this thread now to get more context; his team had to know what they would be signing up for right? I assume the narrative layers would be characters spewing GG rhetoric, but that tweet capture just posted is pretty direct. Though personally for me it is less of the potential narrative layers and more of not wanting to support someone with terrible views.
I'm sorry duder but like. I find the guy's argument faintly ridiculous but come on, there was no personal attack there.
I think you're trying to fight a battle that's untenable in the current situation. The author's personal opinions are part of the game. This one tweets tells us plenty. The game is set in a world where "modern feminism has won instead of egalitarianism " - simultaneously implying that both feminism and egalitarianism are incompatible (and to the people peddling egalitarianism I suppose they would be) along with subtler indication that, since this is a dystopia, modern feminism is negative on some level.
or maybe he just meant modern feminism (like he stated) which is a fair debate.
brianmcdoogle
Member
What is modern feminism?
Well then you should be able to get that ot varies person to person!
Darryl M R
Member
Can you unpack this post for me?
Not really.
He likely means the gg idea of what modern feminism is, a strawman bogeyman out to oppress men through false rape charges and pay equality.
Muffin1611
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Snowman Prophet of Doom
Member
2001 is more a work of philosophy, as is Dark City and a few others.
oh come on...
I don't know... I'm rather curious actually. In fact, the angle interests me moreso than the art style. I don't mind buying a product to get a better understanding of a person's view beyond 140 characters. I'm well aware that my stance isn't shared by most, but like my original post in this thread indicates... I'll let y'all know what I think.
theCalamity
Member
They had to have known. He came up with the premise and then he had to convince others to help him with the game. He had to have told them what the story was about and what the message was.
7DollarHagane
Banned
Like I said, that's fine, and its your choice. Just try to understand that not everyone who plays the game is endorsing everything the developers have ever said on twitter or social media.
boredandlazy
Member
Where there's smoke there's fire... Repeat ad nauseum. 
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Guy was making up my response for me in a very clearly self-tailored way.
Still giving money to two people (and most likely more) that support a hate group.
well, that's the thing... I don't think there is an all encompassing definition, which is what interests me further about this game. I'd like to know what he thinks it is, and where the story goes with that premise in mind.
theCalamity
Member
I'm interested in what you think it is than him because we already know what he thinks modern feminism is (it leads to a dystopia)
cartographer
Member
Why can't you just enjoy it if you want to enjoy? What does it say that you feel the need to pro-actively try to defend yourself from accusations of supporting the misogynistic history of the developer?
If you want to play the game, be secure in that. You aren't acting secure in it, and I think that says something.
Fenderputty
Banned
"Ignorance is bliss" is a saying for a reason
#gg had it's fair share of misogynistic trolls, but I do think there were some valid arguments among the fray that were drowned out amongst the noise. I'm not certain he isn't one of them.
veloxStrix
Banned
I don't think I have misunderstood what he said in any way, although you might have misunderstood me. His short, easily understood tweet says that modern feminism wins instead of egalitarianism. This says there is a winner. This implies there is a battle. A battle implies a disconnect between the two participants (incompatibility) - in this case, egalitarianism and feminism.
Just like he stated. Literally as he stated. The statement suffers from an incongruous misdefinition of what feminism is and then builds an argument against a facsimile.
Edit: It just occurred to me that you could have really meant that modern feminism is actually something oppressive. In which case, I would suggest educating yourself on the subject from a source that isn't 4chan or Reddit.
TriAceJP
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tumblr.
brianmcdoogle
Member
I was asking what your definition was since you said it would be a fair debate. What is your definition?
theCalamity
Member
What are some of these valid arguments because I've wondered ever since the entire thing started.
clearestblue
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What is modern feminism
BlastProcessing
Member
So... you have no idea what it means.
Darryl M R
Member
Well then it will be fitting for their names to be associated with this mess.
The guy had to know that he was going to be put on the spot at the PC conference right?
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
Honestly I don't even think the game looks good. Pixel art for the sake of pixel art always looks bad, and throwing in a bunch of anachronistic graphical effects just makes it look worse.
clearestblue
Neo Member
I can't tell if this is a joke or not
Hm.
well... in fairness. An egalitarianist society would likely denounce and express outrage at say... a woman rushing a baseball field and groping players. I could be wrong, but I'm not certain that reaction happened with modern feminists. Is it so wrong to claim there is a difference?
BlastProcessing
Member
You mentioned modern feminists again. Care to take another stab at WTF that means?
Darryl M R
Member
Are you joking?
clearestblue
Neo Member
You keep saying modern feminists as if it means anything
What every other normal person's definition is. Advocacy for female equality.
theCalamity
Member
I'm sure modern feminists wouldn't be alright with sexual assault in either direction.
I think you've lost your thread. You think there is a legit debate for the advocacy of female equality.
Darryl M R
Member
I'm confused. As a feminist living in modern times/society I don't approve of sexual assault in any scenario. So I'm not seeing your point.
#1 What arguments?
#2 Does supporting those arguments worth throwing in with a hate movement?
Fenderputty
Banned
I feel like this tnread has now become a place where people can proclaim their edginess in the face of decency. So like ... good job?
brianmcdoogle
Member
So, you posted this:
And then this:
So, why is advocacy for female equality a fair debate?
And then this:
So, why is advocacy for female equality a fair debate?
clearestblue
Neo Member
How is this different from any "non-modern" feminist?
That's literally just the most bare bones, basic definition of feminism.
Please provide any proof to anything you assert in this post. Hell I went looking for even one feminist website or source declaring this act of sexual assault as a "win" for modern feminism, I didn't find any at all.
No amount of money can buy you class, afterall.
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