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The N64 was a graphical BEAST, any other graphical beasts throughout console history?
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any console that doesn't have metal gear solid is doomed to faillure simple as that.
BTW it been tested in proven 3 times and pretty soon 4 times on the PS3.
1) In 1998, my Voodoo 1 could run many N64 games at perfect framerates. Mario 64 was a flawless 30 fps. I don't know what emulator you were using, but I'm speaking of UltraHLE. Go look it up and you'll see. It managed to emulate many N64 games with virtually no flaws. The ONLY flaw in Mario 64, for instance, was the painting in the first hallway (it only showed Bowser, rather than fading from Peach to Bowser). Everything else about it was flawless including framerate. There were no horrors.Arthas said:
It was actually a huge deal and Nintendo shut the team down. Nobody expected that they could deliver flawless N64 emulation (on select games) in 1998. Zelda, Mario, and loads of others were all completely playable.
BTW, you might run across 1999 (early) release dates for UltraHLE, but the readme states the completion date...
http://www.smiff.clara.net/emulators/uhle/readme.txt
2) Regarding environmental mapping, it depends on which type you are referring to. You were hung up on Metal Mario, but that effect is not what you think it is. Unreal was doing things far beyond that. However, since you are so obsessed with it, yes, Unreal DID use that effect. The enemies in Unreal could engage a shield mode that looked similar (but better) to the Mario 64 Metal Mario. They did a whole lot more than that, though...
Err, yeah. Every effect (sans that picture in the hallway) was emulated 100%. The Voodoo series of cards were much more capable of 3D rendering than the N64 ever was.
I noticed you keep making excuses for why N64 could not achieve certain things while ignoring what the PC was doing.
ElFly said:
Using the worst instead of the best to knock n64 while using the best and not the worst of PSX is retarded. Yes it did have but 3d wise there's no comparison maybe you prefer a cleaner look but you subtract iq fidelity from n64 3d vs psx 3d it has it's ass handed to them. 2d games compared to 3d is retarded for reasons I already mention. There's no real substance to what your trying to say. Unless your arguing good pc arthas has a valid point even if the degree of it is exaggerated.
The N64 games may of looked better but not THAT much. The TC is seeming to make it look like the difference was astronomical or something. Difference is marginal to somewhat better depending on the game in my opinion. Like I've implied before if the textures had the same filter that you get with PS2's emulation then most good PSX games end up looking at N64 status I think.
There were an extreme few N64 titles that were above that, but yeah...extremely few. Not to mention the frame rates approaching slide show status.
There were an extreme few N64 titles that were above that, but yeah...extremely few. Not to mention the frame rates approaching slide show status.
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what sold more tho?
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It was doing it in late 1998/early 1999 (when Ultra HLE was released).Arthas said:
The very first release of UltraHLE allowed users to enjoy Mario 64, Zelda 64, Goldeneye and various other major N64 games at 100% speed with 99% graphics accuracy (missing effects were ultra minor, such as that painting, and were not the result of lacking hardware but simply glitches in emulation). You must have missed out on it as it was a huge revolution for emulation. Nobody could believe that a Pentium 233 + Voodoo 1 card could run N64 games at 100% speed. Everyone KNEW the PC was more powerful, of course, but emulation is demanding. You need to look into your history a bit more. I was right there on day 1 playing Mario 64 on my PC in awe.
Here's what IGN had to say upon its release (I tested it on a 233 MHz K6 + Voodoo 1 and a P2-400 with a Voodoo 2 and both performed beautifully)...
Undubbed said:While we're on the topic of graphical Beasts:
Came out in 1991; approximately 8 months after the SNES release
Neo Geo for me was like that hot chick back in high school who wore the tight tops and really short skirts.
One day, I walked past her in a crowded hallway and my elbow "accidentally" brushed across her tits and...uh...that's about it.
By the way, here's a quick comparison of Turok 2 (PC enhanced version) to Quake 2.
Now, if you compare the N64 version of Turok 2, things look really bad. You take what you have there, drop the resolution, sink the framerate into the teens, and massively lower the image quality (n64 had terrible texture filtering).
To be fair, let's get some N64 shots in here as well...
Now, if you compare the N64 version of Turok 2, things look really bad. You take what you have there, drop the resolution, sink the framerate into the teens, and massively lower the image quality (n64 had terrible texture filtering).
To be fair, let's get some N64 shots in here as well...
Of all the weird things that I suppose could make you appreciate a game, I think one of the things that impressed me the most about Turok 2 was the ceiling in that game.
I remember launching mortars from that Triceratops...or whatever the hell it was...and watching them ascend into the heavens for what seemed like forever, then arc and fall back to virtual earth. Okay, maybe that was my coping mechanism for being bored and not knowing where the fuck to go next, but whatever...it was cool.
I remember launching mortars from that Triceratops...or whatever the hell it was...and watching them ascend into the heavens for what seemed like forever, then arc and fall back to virtual earth. Okay, maybe that was my coping mechanism for being bored and not knowing where the fuck to go next, but whatever...it was cool.
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I'd buy this if you published it. I'd buy itBranduil said:
at a high price :O
Somebody could write a children's lullaby with your words. Play it in your head and feel the magic?!?!?!?!?
In terms of graphics N64 vs PS1: each had strengths and weaknesses. Obviously the N64 had the high quality rendering / feature set, by far. However, PS1 had higher-res textures, more textures, more polygons/sec in practice and higher framerates. What would you choose? framerate alone wins it for me. If N64 had been able to produce 30fps to 60fps in the majority of its games instead of 20fps to 30fps, I would choose N64 over PS1, but framerate is king in graphics-it also is one of the only things in graphics that's tied to gameplay.
p.s. adding the 4 MB RAM expansion pack should not count, that's an upgrade. PS1 didn't have such an upgrade (it was rumored to, the PlayStation Type C) but it never happened.
p.s. it's totally pointless to say N64 could compete with Voodoo1. While N64 was fine for handling reasonable ports of Voodoo1 PC/Arcade games, look at Voodoo1-based arcade SF Rush and the N64 version, big downgrade. Don't have the arcade game handy to compare? no problem, pop in Midway Arcade Treasures 3 into your Gamecube or Wii, play Rush The Rock, it's the same graphics engine as original arcade SF Rush. Only thing is, the MAT3 version runs at a higher framerate than the arcade. originally it was 30fps. the N64 Rush was also 30fps. but 1/2 or 1/4 the resolution, no more than half the polygon/sec, has lower res textures. The first SF Rush on N64 was a 2nd-gen N64 game too, not first gen. The arcade SF Rush *was* a first-gen Voodoo1 game. N64 version also was NOT a sloppy conversion, it was very good. It's just a matter of fact that N64 does not have the muscle of Voodoo1.
p.s. adding the 4 MB RAM expansion pack should not count, that's an upgrade. PS1 didn't have such an upgrade (it was rumored to, the PlayStation Type C) but it never happened.
p.s. it's totally pointless to say N64 could compete with Voodoo1. While N64 was fine for handling reasonable ports of Voodoo1 PC/Arcade games, look at Voodoo1-based arcade SF Rush and the N64 version, big downgrade. Don't have the arcade game handy to compare? no problem, pop in Midway Arcade Treasures 3 into your Gamecube or Wii, play Rush The Rock, it's the same graphics engine as original arcade SF Rush. Only thing is, the MAT3 version runs at a higher framerate than the arcade. originally it was 30fps. the N64 Rush was also 30fps. but 1/2 or 1/4 the resolution, no more than half the polygon/sec, has lower res textures. The first SF Rush on N64 was a 2nd-gen N64 game too, not first gen. The arcade SF Rush *was* a first-gen Voodoo1 game. N64 version also was NOT a sloppy conversion, it was very good. It's just a matter of fact that N64 does not have the muscle of Voodoo1.
The playstation had a higher "framerate" than the n64? That is an odd argument. The N64 was doing very complicated things. When the PSX attempted it, you'd get famerate disasters like Soul Reaver.. with textures that couldn't even hold during a demo scene (would warp 3-4 times every 5 seconds).
Kaervas said:PSX 2D > N64 2D
was just about to post that.
anyways, this thread needs more wipeout, colony wars, rollcage, ape escape, einhander, r-type delta, ape escape, ridge racer, gran turismo, tekken 3, bloody roar, omega boost, macross vfx2 and countless other titles with just about every multiplatform title imaginable.
Will everyone shout at me if I say xbox (not to get into the fanboy willy waving)
IT was really powerful and cut off before its prime but it was imo nearly a generation ahead of PS2 (though the PS2 had more and more varied games)
but it introduced most of the innovations we have in this generation
inbuilt internet adapter (wire and wireless)
internal storage
high end GPU (though the gamecube also had an ATI graphix adapter)
persistent online multiplayer
media center capabilities (it had a disk that enabled it to be a media center extender)
also onboard MP3
custom soundtrack
persistent online multiplayer identity
and a few more. And the games were gorgeous, and if they had carried on for a couple more years I think it would have graphics that would be the equal of todays gen in a lot of places...
Just my 2 cents...
IT was really powerful and cut off before its prime but it was imo nearly a generation ahead of PS2 (though the PS2 had more and more varied games)
but it introduced most of the innovations we have in this generation
inbuilt internet adapter (wire and wireless)
internal storage
high end GPU (though the gamecube also had an ATI graphix adapter)
persistent online multiplayer
media center capabilities (it had a disk that enabled it to be a media center extender)
also onboard MP3
custom soundtrack
persistent online multiplayer identity
and a few more. And the games were gorgeous, and if they had carried on for a couple more years I think it would have graphics that would be the equal of todays gen in a lot of places...
Just my 2 cents...
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solid2snake said:
Please tell me you're joking.
Metal Gear Solid does not look good today. At all. There are DS games that look better (which baffles my mind because people harp on the hideos DS graphics all the while praising MGS1's look on the PSX). Maybe if you're wearing nostalgia goggles then it doesn't look like a jaggy, pixelated mess - but that's what it is. Perhaps it's all opinion, but there are most certainly N64 games that look better. Even some other PS1 games look better than MGS.
solid2snake
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Chris Michael said:
what are you talking about dude? even today MGS1 looks nice (for that generation). it had amazing snow and fire effects and you saw the air coming out of the mouths of the characters
i know, it had not any plumbers and toads.
Arthas said:
We're talking about a difference of a few months at most. In the U.S., N64 and Voodoo1 were out at basicly the same time.
If anything, the PS1 offered the revolution in home 3D gaming in Dec 1994 and September 1995, a year to year and a half before N64 and Voodoo1.
BTW I have no bias (except to Sega and Namco arcade games/hardware hehe)...I bought a U.S. PS1 at launch, and I bought a Japanese N64 about 6 weeks after Japanese launch, roughly 6 weeks before U.S. launch. I did not even own a Voodoo1 card, but I've seen enough of its games in motion to realize it was 50% to 2x N64.
The Matsushita M2 would've beaten both though, as I've pointed out in this thread.
a.wd said:
innovation to what to console or to gaming any case not really
Console already did online gaming you're trying a semenatic argument by saying ethernet is innovation that's like saying broadband made internet despite bbs and dial up modems. Internal storage wasn't an innovation for consoles well not really since old consoles had some form of it you're arguing a massive amount of it. High end gpu nope and nvidia knew this didn't matter in the end gc had one game that technically rapes anything over all, thank you for something f5. PS2 and GC did excell at somethings better ie lighting, texturing, polys, and fps stability. Xbox was shader heaven at unstable fps don't get how most pimp the platform when it comes to graphics then again nothing about console ignorance makes any sense. Both DC and PS2 tried being a media center your arguing what was more well developed. Xbl is nothing more than a glorified matchmaking system that ms had already known how to do you saying a persistent identity is meaningless that would be like saying my id at hotmail is persistent only to the system it's on nothing else.
Only thing you were right on is companies ditching the platform but thank ms for that alex ward and other devs said it was too early to jump and that gc nor xbox had been pushed becaue of ps2. Wii is proving that point with some of it games kicking the living crap out of anything ps2 so it's fair to assume despite xbox's ineffecient architecture it would too.
Undubbed said:While we're on the topic of graphical Beasts:
Came out in 1991; approximately 8 months after the SNES release
Uhhh wrong. NEO-GEO came out before SNES in the U.S. and before Super Famicom in Japan.
NEO-GEO was out early to mid 1990 in Japan as a rental unit. it hit the U.S. in late 1990 or early 1991.
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