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[ZoukGalaxy]

That's really a vicous piece of shit to ask a device to mandatory connect internet to work, when the device is specifically designed for offline play with a disc. That's really a poor and lame questionable design choice. If it is only a matter of BR play, just don't enable it BR but don't lock physical games because of that.

Sony, you are a piece of shit by doing that. All of that is clearly a tactic to push all people to digital, that's vicious. Digital mean more profit to them and the scrape of all retailers which allow much more competitive prices. I really hate this future where all control and prices will be done by them as well as ownership and all mandatory controversial updates.

It will be a problem soon or later.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Many games require one time internet connection to download the day one patch. Any patch, hotfix, any update at all. Games you buy on discs are usually not even the version you’re supposed to be using because the games are patched multiple times after the discs are printed. I don’t make the rules but I don’t see how people aren’t aware of this, honestly. It’s baffling.

I don’t like the reality either but nevertheless it’s the way it is

So you don't buy those games, there are still games that don't require that.

 

[Tripolygon]

And can you do that with a regular PS4/5 in the event that the disc drive breaks?

PS4 and PS5 they’re firmware locked to the motherboard with the daughter board. You can use your working daughter board and attach it to a new Blu-ray drive and it will work on PS4 and PS5. But this a detachable external attachment drive, it should be able to work on any PS5 regardless of if it’s been setup before on a different PS5 unit. As a consumer I advocate for being able to buy a used one to use on your device if you choose same way you can add extra storage on your PS5 or PS4 and move it between consoles without it being locked to one device.

 

[GHG]

PS4 and PS5 they’re firmware locked to the motherboard with the daughter board. You can use your working daughter board and attach it to a new Blu-ray drive and it will work on PS4 and PS5. But this a detachable external attachment drive, it should be able to work on any PS5 regardless of if it’s been setup before on a different PS5 unit. As a consumer I advocate for being able to buy a used one to use on your device if you choose same way you can add extra storage on your PS5 or PS4 and move it between consoles without it being locked to one device.

Moving a storage device between consoles vs moving an optical drive between consoles is a completely different proposition.

As you're aware, it's not a simple swap if you wish to use a used disc drive as a replacement one for an existing console, the drives get paired and keyed with the motherboard which introduces a number of complications.

Because of that if your disc drive is busted on any modern console the best thing to do is buy a new disc drive, or you can open up the disc drive itself and diagnose/fix the issue yourself (the latter being preferable from a cost/environment perspective since the individual parts of the disc drives are actually easily replaceable/swappable, it's a bunch of gears, cogs, rollers and a laser).

Much ado about nothing.

 

[sendit]

LOL. Imagine not having an internet connection, getting the slim PS5 with the disc drive, and the physical release of Spider Man 2. Just kill off physical already.

 

[midnightAI]

That's really a vicous piece of shit to ask a device to mandatory connect internet to work, when the device is specifically designed for offline play with a disc. That's really a poor and lame questionable design choice. If it is only a matter of BR play, just don't enable it BR but don't lock physical games because of that.

Sony, you are a piece of shit by doing that. All of that is clearly a tactic to push all people to digital, that's vicious. Digital mean more profit to them and the scrape of all retailers which allow much more competitive prices. I really hate this future where all control and prices will be done by them as well as ownership and all mandatory controversial updates.

It will be a problem soon or later.

What on earth are you talking about? This is a one off check when you first install it to a digital console.

 

[Sethbacca]

PS4 and PS5 they’re firmware locked to the motherboard with the daughter board. You can use your working daughter board and attach it to a new Blu-ray drive and it will work on PS4 and PS5. But this a detachable external attachment drive, it should be able to work on any PS5 regardless of if it’s been setup before on a different PS5 unit. As a consumer I advocate for being able to buy a used one to use on your device if you choose same way you can add extra storage on your PS5 or PS4 and move it between consoles without it being locked to one device.

Hypothetically, what would stop you from performing the same type of hardware based fix on an external drive? You'd probably be able to move the board over just like happens now.

 

[Troy D Chinula]

I am just concerned with being able to pair a new drive if my old one breaks. I collect and I’d like to buy a spare drive as I have had optical drives die on various consoles over the decades.

Server availability aside, I just want to know if I can pop on and authenticate a new drive if my current drive dies.

 

[NeonDelta]

So if I'm a solider deployed to a foreign country and I don't have internet access but buy a PS5 out of a PX, I won't be able to play any games on it until I return home?

tether it to a satellite phone

 

[phant0m]

tether it to a satellite phone

Never mind the fact that half the games on disc today don’t even work til you download multi-gigabyte updates. But yeah, a one-time activation is the real problem.

The melodrama of gamers sometimes

 

[StreetsofBeige]

LOL. Who has ever heard of an optical drive needing a mandatory internet check?

 

[The Fuzz damn you!]

Easy there bud...

Where’s the fun in that?

In any case, if you're this invested in this whole situation, take a little breather and maybe don't attack half of people in this thread that have a different opinion than yours even if you strongly disagree with them. Mind you I do tend to agree with your take here especially as I'm a physical game collector and it will inevitably affect me in the future if/when these Sony auth servers will be brought down, but the aggressive tone is not really needed imo.

Nah, it just bugs me when people make crappy arguments to defend crappy practices. Every other post here is defending or minimising this decision. Why? Even if it’s relatively harmless, it’s still shit and is being defended with lies and misrepresentations. THAT, more than anything, is what should not be tolerated.

Plus, you know, yelling at internet strangers is cathartic.

 

[Tripolygon]

Hypothetically, what would stop you from performing the same type of hardware based fix on an external drive? You'd probably be able to move the board over just like happens now.

Im thinking more about ease of use by a regular person. I hope Sony allows that.

Moving a storage device between consoles vs moving an optical drive between consoles is a completely different proposition.

As you're aware, it's not a simple swap if you wish to use a used disc drive as a replacement one for an existing console, the drives get paired and keyed with the motherboard which introduces a number of complications.

Because of that if your disc drive is busted on any modern console the best thing to do is buy a new disc drive, or you can open up the disc drive itself and diagnose/fix the issue yourself (the latter being preferable from a cost/environment perspective since the individual parts of the disc drives are actually easily replaceable/swappable, it's a bunch of gears, cogs, rollers and a laser).

Much ado about nothing.

Or Sony should allow easily swapping optical drive like they allow easy swapping of storage. They can still use same authentication method as they use for first time setup.

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

So does this mean region locking as well for BD? And if you change region again it's refresh online connection.

I recall older PS consoles being region unlocked/easily hacked and it was a boon for their hardware sales. At one point there was some ridiculous statistic about how a percentage of PS3 (I think it was 3 series) never even had a game disc in them. They were the best BD region free units going.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

So, you bought a digital-only console which requires the Internet to buy and download games, but you're also mad that later trying to add the physical disc drive requires an Internet authentication before it activates?

Are we really this desperate for something to be mad about on the Internet in 2023?

 

[ZoukGalaxy]

So, you bought a digital-only console which requires the Internet to buy and download games, but you're also mad that later trying to add the physical disc drive requires an Internet authentication before it activates?

Are we really this desperate for something to be mad about on the Internet in 2023?

"Hey, I'm so smart, I don't see the problem to go online to use a device -which will be the only one available in the future- in order to use offline discs, anyways, problem is always from people, stop complaining 2023 people ! It's like the poor people, stop pretending to be poor, f you don't have money, just buy some !"

People don't understanding the big deal are so short sighed not seeing farter than their connected farts.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Nothing burger

 

[reinking]

 

[Syphon Filter]

I see idiot fanboys defending this in this thread, this is why they can get away with anti consumer practices. watch in the future....

 

[Syphon Filter]

LOL. Imagine not having an internet connection, getting the slim PS5 with the disc drive, and the physical release of Spider Man 2. Just kill off physical already.

enjoy not owning the games.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

I'm liking our gaming future less and less with each day.

 

[Crayon]

That's weird but if it's a one time check, that's nothing. If it has to do it periodically, that would be fuckin lame.

 

[skit_data]

This seems like a bit of fake outrage tbh. Not good by any means but still a bit of a storm in a teacup.

 

[ArtHands]

maybe Sony is paving the way to introduce pairing and validating controllers (or other peripherals) to future Playstation, to stop people from selling paired/validated peripherals, and to stop player from using their peripherals to play local multi on another player’s PS5. This should help lead to more peripherals sales

Pretty smart

 

[Clintizzle]

This is such bullshit. Soldiers in Afghanistan don't have internet connections for this bullshit.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Curious to know why would require an internet connection. Unless the drive itself has some custom software.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

This is such bullshit. Soldiers in Afghanistan don't have internet connections for this bullshit.

The mentality around here is that if it's a minority opinion or group, it doesn't matter.

 

[skit_data]

maybe Sony is paving the way to introduce pairing and validating controllers (or other peripherals) to future Playstation, to stop people from selling paired/validated peripherals, and to stop player from using their peripherals to play local multi on another player’s PS5. This should help lead to more peripherals sales

Pretty smart

That would be a pretty stupid thing to do, especially in light of fighting game tournaments etc. which they themselves are a part of.
Greed is one thing, but this would be plain stupid from that viewpoint.

 

[Heisenberg007]

The OP and title should be updated with this information:

 

[sn0man]

It would be the exact same case with any similar product you bought? Not sure if you’re making a joke about 2013 Xbox One controversy or are genuinely concerned and asking a serious question

No. It wouldn’t. It’s not that way with the PS4, Switch, or disc PS5 today.

The 2013 Xbox one was a joke then and is still a joke now. It sucked when MS did that and it sucks now that Sony is doing this.

 

[Honey Bunny]

4theplayers

 

[Dream-Knife]

Your disc is just a software key.

The days of "physical" consoles is over.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

well that'll get cracked.

sony is bricking all unused disc drives once the verification server goes down.
original hardward boyz wont stand for that.

 

[Esppiral]

Imagine Xbox doing the same, the forum would be on fire, hey but it's Sony, is fine.

No it isn't, this is disgusting.

 

[Team Andromeda]

A big fuss about nothing IMO

 

[Alan Wake]

Sony's 2013 E3 conference seems a long time ago.

 

[systemr123]

The OP and title should be updated with this information:

Guess you have to blame Sony for just following the law nowadays . Also, if you complain about needing the internet once to pair a device, you really need to stop posting on this forum lol. Little secret here: you need internet every single time you post a message on Neogaf…. Oh the horror, the horror I’ll tell you!

 

[Ozzy Onya A2Z]

Sony's 2013 E3 conference seems a long time ago.

Xbox should do a retort video like Sony did.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Guess you have to blame Sony for just following the law nowadays . Also, if you complain about needing the internet once to pair a device, you really need to stop posting on this forum lol. Little secret here: you need internet every single time you post a message on Neogaf…. Oh the horror, the horror I’ll tell you!

I'm normally against such requirements, as much as they are practically possible to avoid them. For examples, games like Hitman, GT 7, Forza, and Division should not be always online.

But PlayStation has always been on the "good side" with such requirements, with DRM, used games, and no mandatory online requirements (relatively speaking). They can't be faulted if they are meeting a regulatory requirement.

If they do anything beyond what's legally mandatory, they should be criticized.

 

[Gen.Grievous]

Imagine Xbox doing the same, the forum would be on fire, hey but it's Sony, is fine.

No it isn't, this is disgusting.

Good luck setting up your xbox without internet.

 

[sendit]

enjoy not owning the games.

I’ve done so for over a decade. It’s been a positive experience.

 

[SJRB]

X's community notes claiming another soul.

Best feature since Elon took over, hands down. So many owns.

 

[Esppiral]

Good luck setting up your xbox without internet.

You are missing the point, but nice try.

 

[xrnzaaas]

If Sony and their servers die one day the whole console will become rather unusable, especially with many physical games shipping in incomplete state. Easy clicks for the news sites, nothing to be really concerned or angry about.

 

[KWAB]

Imagine Xbox doing the same, the forum would be on fire, hey but it's Sony, is fine.

No it isn't, this is disgusting.

You're gonna wish they'll do the same but Xbox is probably killing physical altogether with their revision next year.

 

[sendit]

You're gonna wish they'll do the same but Xbox is probably killing physical altogether with their revision next year.

Based on the leaks. This is a truthy statement.

 

[KWAB]

Based on the leaks. This is a truthy statement.

It's the logical conclusion. Half of all the Xboxes are already digital only Series S, if next year in the stores you will find only digital only Series S and X does it make sense to still sell discs? Probably not.

 

[MasterCornholio]

This is such bullshit. Soldiers in Afghanistan don't have internet connections for this bullshit.

My solution would be to do it before getting deployed. I obviously wouldn't try to buy a PS5 if I'm over there.

Now if its a periodic check that would be a problem for me.

Edit: Realistically though I would just bring an all in one gaming system like my Switch or my gaming Laptop. I've looked into bringing a PS5 with a portable monitor but I don't like the idea of bringing so many things just to do some gaming.

 

[Snake29]

What happens when those Sony auth servers are no more? People still play 20-30 year old games now and they will be impossible with PS5.

Uhm...Then these games will be playable on other consoles from Sony or cloud or whatever? These games will carry over..

Let me ask this...and what if Gamepass doesn;'t work anymore over 10 years or some major outage tomorrow?

 

[Kumomeme]

china's knockoff factory gonna be like: