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[Dryk]

Wouldn't trying to fix a pedophile be just as useless as gay conversion therapy?

As far as we know it's quite probable, but it's not really a booming research area. That said it's not about turning them straight, it's about helping them live more comfortably with their pedophilic urges. Yes it runs very close to what people that think that homosexuality is a disorder advocate, yes that makes me a little uncomfortable. But at the end of the day two consenting adults are very different from an adult and a child and we can't change that.

Its interesting because when John Grisham defended another famous writer for getting ten years for looking at child pornography, everyone bashed Grisham, but I agreed.

There should be punishments for possessing child pornography, but 10 years in a high security federal prison? There are plenty of people who have these terrible thoughts, but do not wish to ever act on them. Many of them will not even engage in the porn. Obviously, no one is defending them. But that there are different types of pedophiles, ones who harm children, and ones who do not, is just reality. Theres nothing wrong with using our brains and intelligence to suss out these subtleties.

Children are harmed in the making of child pornography. Child hentai solves that problem but then there's still the question of whether consuming that material is an effective or counter-productive coping strategy, which I would expect would vary from person to person.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Wouldn't trying to fix a pedophile be just as useless as gay conversion therapy?

Was about to post this.

And the problem with chemical castration is that it's a nuclear bomb rather than a precision instrument. It takes away all sexual desires, not just those for kids. That sounds like it would be wholly unappealing. What if a pedo wanted to try their hand at a normal relationship? Having no urges would make that difficult, no? Plus, how many would really want to volunteer to take that kind of medication? Seems like a small portion. Better than going to jail for those who feel they're on the edge of doing something bad...but most probably won't reach for that emergency lever.

So what's left? I don't see how you can talk this kind of thing away any more than you can talk the gay away unless this condition is believed to be learned rather than natural like homosexuality. Also, I think the fear of labeling and ostracization (is that a word?) and subsequent inability to become gainfully employed may always be a deterrent to coming forward. At least here in the states. Because with respect...if you have these tendencies, I'm going to want to know who and where you are so I can keep track you for the sake of any children that may be in your orbit. Neighbors, family, etc. one of my old girlfriends was abused by the legendary "dirty uncle" that so many families seem to have. It affected her every day. If people around him had been more attentive, her life would have been different.

 

[Messofanego]

People should at least watch the documentary and read the Medium article along with its supplementary This American Life podcast (transcript) so they don't go off the rails like certain posts here.

Unfortunately, the ideas for these developments seem a bit ahead of their time. Hopefully this stuff stops being fringe sooner rather than later.

It's usually that tragedies lead policymakers to change things for the better but in cases about pedophiles nothing has changed in most countries. We have support networks now for child abuse victims but nothing for pedophiles that haven't abused. That mandatory reporting law needs to either be fixed or abolished because it amounts to pre-cog minority report style thought-crime stuff, since not every single of the estimated millions of pedophiles out there commit the abuse crime. You need something more substantive to take them in.

Maybe public awareness campaigns that pedophilia is not the same thing as a child rapist. Eventually, society will stop jumping to conclusions, thinking you're a pedo sympathiser that should be burned alongside them.

 

[Sun Bather]

Was about to post this.

And the problem with chemical castration is that it's a nuclear bomb rather than a precision instrument. It takes away all sexual desires, not just those for kids. That sounds like it would be wholly unappealing. What if a pedo wanted to try their hand at a normal relationship? Having no urges would make that difficult, no? Plus, how many would really want to volunteer to take that kind of medication? Seems like a small portion. Better than going to jail for those who feel they're on the edge of doing something bad...but most probably won't reach for that emergency lever.

So what's left? I don't see how you can talk this kind of thing away any more than you can talk the gay away unless this condition is believed to be learned rather than natural like homosexuality. Also, I think the fear of labeling and ostracization (is that a word?) and subsequent inability to become gainfully employed may always be a deterrent to coming forward. At least here in the states. Because with respect...if you have these tendencies, I'm going to want to know who and where you are so I can keep track you for the sake of any children that may be in your orbit. Neighbors, family, etc. one of my old girlfriends was abused by the legendary "dirty uncle" that so many families seem to have. It affected her every day. If people around him had been more attentive, her life would have been different.

You can't talk it away more or less than you can talk away being gay. But it's also not about that as someone also said on the last page. It's about them not actually acting out on these desires, something that is possible. There is people who are specialized in these kind of things and that does therapy without having to be registered in any way, in some countries, and I think that is the only way to get people to step forward. If you require them to be on some list somewhere, most simply won't do it.

 

[Messofanego]

Children are harmed in the making of child pornography. Child hentai solves that problem but then there's still the question of whether consuming that material is an effective or counter-productive coping strategy, which I would expect would vary from person to person.

Shotacon and lolicon are brought up in that Medium piece:

The conversations in the documents he sent me veered from mundane to earnest, among them a discussion of whether shotacon or lolicon — manga and anime depictions of intergenerational sex — are morally acceptable alternatives to child porn.​

Even if it's not effective, still have to open the field to try all kinds of strategies. The reason why this is hard to discuss even if you take emotion out of it is because of the lack of understanding, research, or proven ways to treat the disorder. Like mentioned before, if we want to prevent child sex abuse, then we need to get to the root of it. These support networks and decriminalising a pedophile just coming out will only lead to better research and will be beneficial for society.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

You can't talk it away more or less than you can talk away being gay. But it's also not about that as someone also said on the last page. It's about them not actually acting out on these desires, something that is possible. There is people who are specialized in these kind of things and that does therapy without having to be registered in any way, in some countries, and I think that is the only way to get people to step forward. If you require them to be on some list somewhere, most simply won't do it.

How effective is this therapy if it doesn't include chemical castration? We simply talking to them and hoping they don't act out and become a molester one day? Feels a bit risky. I'd prefer to supplement this with being able to keep an eye on them and any kids in their purview. Talk them until they're blue in the face, but I want to help by making sure they're not putting themselves or being put in potentially compromising situations (like taking a job as a babysitter). Feel me?

 

[Sun Bather]

How effective is this therapy if it doesn't include chemical castration? We simply talking to them and hoping they don't act out and become a molester one day? Feels a bit risky. I'd prefer to supplement this with being able to keep an eye on them and any kids in their purview. Talk them until they're blue in the face, but I want to help by making sure they're not putting themselves or being put in potentially compromising situations (like taking a job as a babysitter). Feel me?

I would very much prefer that as well, but it's not a real possibility is it? They are not going to come forward if that is going to be done to them. No idea how effective the therapy is, but I prefer it over nothing or waiting until they molest a kid before doing anything.

 

[HolyBaikal]

It won't let me watch it, I guess it's region locked and I need a VPN to watch it. :<

 

[shadow_shogun]

It won't let me watch it, I guess it's region locked and I need a VPN to watch it. :<

http://hola.org/

 

[HolyBaikal]

Thank you, that was nice of you to share with me.

 

[shadow_shogun]

No problem at all.

 

[DeadTsar]

You guys took a thread about looking at a complicated thing soberly and went immediately to lunatic nonsense. Great work.

Real talk

 

[obin_gam]

Speaking of, even if he did an atrocious thing, this kind of punishment is a little much

http://creepypastaweekly.com/23-yea...eled-after-bragging-of-his-crimes-in-prison-1

A prisoner who bragged about his offenses was disemboweled in prison on Saturday.
[...]
When Mitchell Harrison was sentenced to four years in prison for raping a 13-year-old girl he seemed proud of his crime. Harrison was sent to the notorious Frankland Prison, home of child killer Ian Huntley (who last year had his throat cut). When quizzed by other inmates, Harrison would brag about the intricacies of his sexual exploits (this the third time he was caught for sexual offences on minors). It&#8217;s this bragging that is thought to have ended his life.

 

[Qassim]

It's a really difficult subject - but as has been clarified by other people - Paedophile != child molester. I don't think creating an environment where paedophiles are shunned and met with nothing but outright hostility is a productive cause.

It is a mental disorder and many of those who have it are often guilty of nothing but thoughts. Pushing those who do have those thoughts out of society and likely into a comfortable environment of other paedophiles is probably not a good idea. That's where you find sex offenders.

 

[MacNille]

Speaking of, even if he did an atrocious thing, this kind of punishment is a little much

http://creepypastaweekly.com/23-yea...eled-after-bragging-of-his-crimes-in-prison-1

f he is dumb enough to BRAG about that he is a kiddefiddler in a prison, he deserve it. You don't have to be a rocket science to understand that in terms of rank, kiddiefiddler are at the bottom in prison.

 

[HolyBaikal]

It looks like I need to sign up. But it won't accept my American address. Especially my zip.
It looks like I need to find a UK or Irish zip code. People really like region locking things.

May I can just use Google or something...

 

[Jaffaboy]

Interesting documentary, though the meeting between the pedophile and the guy that was abused seemed a little forced and unnecessary.

I guess what it comes down to is that we need to admit that we don't know enough as to what causes people to be attracted to children. Is it simply a variation of sexuality, or is it a psychological problem or mental illness? People used to think homosexuality was a mental illness (and some still do, unfortunately). Difference being with pedophilia compared to another sexuality (if it is one) is that they can't have relations with a child because they cannot consent at all. And what about bestiality? Where does that lie?

I think the only way forward is empathy and understanding before anything else. Not just in this problem, but other serious problems with serial killers, rapists, domestic abuse etc. I don't believe in inherent evil, I think there's always something else underlying there to cause people to do 'evil' things.

 

[Rootbeer]

This thread reminded me of a thread on GAF something like two years ago, I can't find it now. May have been deleted.

Anyway, there was this GAF member who came out as a pedo and was trying to inform people of his situation, I remember reading some of the posts and some of it was illuminating... but he got banned and i'm not sure what the reason was... GAF has a long history of locking threads containing pedo discussion (just search for pedo/pedophile topics), I really think it is something that should be discussed in the way this thread has done.

I listened to that This American Life segment and it should be required listening as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Evil_Silver]

Theres a ThisAmericanLife episode about this.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/522/tarred-and-feathered

Its very insightful, and not too difficult to read at all. Its for public radio so.

Its interesting because when John Grisham defended another famous writer for getting ten years for looking at child pornography, everyone bashed Grisham, but I agreed.

There should be punishments for possessing child pornography, but 10 years in a high security federal prison? There are plenty of people who have these terrible thoughts, but do not wish to ever act on them. Many of them will not even engage in the porn. Obviously, no one is defending them. But that there are different types of pedophiles, ones who harm children, and ones who do not, is just reality. Theres nothing wrong with using our brains and intelligence to suss out these subtleties.

Okay if you think they are never going to act on them, then would you be okay with them baby sitting your child?

 

[Enter The 36 Chambers]

So the alternative is to help them and hope they never harm a child right?

Pedos are fundamentally broken human beings. There's no helping them.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

I'm sorry but I'm not really understanding your point since you keep trying to separate but the conflate the two at the same time. The ones scorned and pushed out of communities are ones that have acted. People wouldn't know except for sexual offender registration and other such things. People don't know about the others to scorn them but the ones who haven't acted should have more access to help.

So the alternative is to help them and hope they never harm a child right?

Pedos are fundamentally broken human beings. There's no helping them.

What is inherently unfixable about them vs another person with an ailment or disorder? Everyone is fundamentally broken by your logic.

 

[ahoyhoy]

Okay if you think they are never going to act on them, then would you be okay with them baby sitting your child?

That would really work on an individual by individual basis, wouldn't it?

I would probably place myself amongst those who would like open support for people who come forward as non-offending pedophiles, but would also have a part of that support network include provisions that those who receive said support should be required to not enter into a sort of job that predominately caters to children, like elementary school teacher or babysitter, just as I would require those with homicidal thoughts not to work at a gun range.

So the alternative is to help them and hope they never harm a child right?

Pedos are fundamentally broken human beings. There's no helping them.

From our understanding, they are fundamentally no different than any other individual with urges to commit horrible crimes. This argument only holds water if you believe those with any sort of urges to commit rape, assault, or murder are fundamentally broken as well.

 

[Opiate]

Pedos are fundamentally broken human beings. There's no helping them.

Okay, let's say you're right. You don't see how someone might have empathy for a person who was born broken, through no fault of their own?

Please note that having empathy is not the same as saying you condone everything someone else does.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

So the alternative is to help them and hope they never harm a child right?

Pedos are fundamentally broken human beings. There's no helping them.

What the fuck is wrong with you? OF COURSE there are ways of helping them.

man, some of you don't have any empathy at all.

 

[SneakyStephan]

I think there was a thread on voluntary euthanasia for a criminal not long ago. People like this should start campaigning for the same rights instead of expecting sympathy. Removing themselves from the gene pool is the right answer.

Your complete lack of empathy and willingness to dehumanise other human beings makes you far scarier to me than any pedohphile who has not acted on their urges.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

I think there was a thread on voluntary euthanasia for a criminal not long ago. People like this should start campaigning for the same rights instead of expecting sympathy. Removing themselves from the gene pool is the right answer.

This is one of the scariest posts I've ever seen in GAF.

 

[Kotetsu534]

The number of proponents of instituting thoughtcrime in this thread is actually scaring me, and that's as someone who's more sanguine than most columnists about the continued invasions of our privacy by governments and security agencies.

I mean, there's a group of people who have urges to horribly violate other, defenceless persons, and are trying their best to get through their lives without ever acting on them. Some of them wonder if they could get help from the rest of us. And a significant number of people respond by encouraging them to kill themselves. What the heck.

 

[Enter The 36 Chambers]

Okay, let's say you're right. You don't see how someone might have empathy for a person who was born broken, through no fault of their own?

Please note that having empathy is not the same as saying you condone everything someone else does.

Like has been said at the beginning this is a difficult topic to discuss with the emotions attached to it.

I honestly feel like when a person is born like this, through no fault of their own, that's where I draw the line personally.

I fully understand no one would want to be like that, and the difference between empathy and condoning.

My opinion on paedophiles is a harsh one. I think there's no helping these people. No amount of therapy can guarantee they would never act on their urges. Like anyone in recovery or any similar situation where someones fighting their urges. No one's perfect and people will slip up and make mistakes.

The fallout of this is destroying an innocent child's life just because some genetic anomaly makes these people this way. It's an evil sick condition and taking the risk of hoping they won't isn't good enough.

I draw the line at paedophiles when it comes to people who should and can be helped. That's when a person should be wrote off entirely. That they are capable or have any likelihood of harming a child is enough for me to never feel empathy for them.

They can't be fixed like homosexuality cannot be "fixed". Difference is homosexuality doesn't need to be fixed. Pedo's should be incarcerated, why give them freedom just because they may not molest a child?

They have no place in society. So no idiot see how anyone could feel empathy for these "people".

 

[Wiktor]

Wouldn't trying to fix a pedophile be just as useless as gay conversion therapy?

Nah. Being gay is just preference sexually. The pedeophilles they would be helping have that too, but they also have compulsion to act on their urges. Effectively you wouldn't be trying to make him switch preference to adults, but learn how to control his urges, which is something any normal gay person can do.

 

[Wiktor]

Pedo's should be incarcerated, why give them freedom just because they may not molest a child?

Why make any sentences less than lifetime in prison? Pretty much every criminal has quite hih chance of repeating his crime. So why let him out ever?

Also..you ideas completely ignore reality. If you would incarnate innocent mn for having urges they're resisting all you will achieve is that they will almost never try to get any help with resisting those urges. So you will never be able to "out them" untill they finally break and hurt somebody. That seems really dumb tactics if what you're aiming for is preventing child's harm

 

[akira28]

I'm willing to approve surgery, hypnotics, drugs, brain monitoring, I mean, obviously there's a link and useful information. Things that can be tried, we just need volunteers and funding. I don't think it's an ethical breach if done in a certain way. Taking every precaution for the health of the subjects while also pressing ahead to find causes and imagine solutions.

I'm sure some people would say that this crosses a line, but if you stop right there at the line...I think this does it.


and yes, out of the hundreds of thousands of people on gaf, you're bound to have a monster or two. don't be surprised if someone wants to commit them all to the gas mines.

 

[Sevarus]

This topic hits so close to home for me. Pedophilia destroyed my family. It's hard to be empathetic in that situation.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

Like has been said at the beginning this is a difficult topic to discuss with the emotions attached to it.

I honestly feel like when a person is born like this, through no fault of their own, that's where I draw the line personally.

I fully understand no one would want to be like that, and the difference between empathy and condoning.

My opinion on paedophiles is a harsh one. I think there's no helping these people. No amount of therapy can guarantee they would never act on their urges. Like anyone in recovery or any similar situation where someones fighting their urges. No one's perfect and people will slip up and make mistakes.

The fallout of this is destroying an innocent child's life just because some genetic anomaly makes these people this way. It's an evil sick condition and taking the risk of hoping they won't isn't good enough.

I draw the line at paedophiles when it comes to people who should and can be helped. That's when a person should be wrote off entirely. That they are capable or have any likelihood of harming a child is enough for me to never feel empathy for them.

They can't be fixed like homosexuality cannot be "fixed". Difference is homosexuality doesn't need to be fixed. Pedo's should be incarcerated, why give them freedom just because they may not molest a child?

They have no place in society. So no idiot see how anyone could feel empathy for these "people".

Pedophiles will continue to exist no matter what, and with help there will be a higher chance of them never harming a child. Hearing that people should be incarcerated for thoughts is one of the most insane things I've ever heard.

An earlier post sums up my opinion on all of this:

Anyone against this is quite literally for children being abused. The only thing that comes from not helping these people is more child abuse. If you claim to be anything other than in favor of this type of support, you are pro child abuse.

 

[Einbroch]

This topic hits so close to home for me. Pedophilia destroyed my family. It's hard to be empathetic in that situation.

While I understand it may be difficult (although I could never truly understand), I believe it's in everyone's best interest to offer help to those that want help, and there should be no shame in getting such help.

 

[DeadTsar]

Like has been said at the beginning this is a difficult topic to discuss with the emotions attached to it.

I honestly feel like when a person is born like this, through no fault of their own, that's where I draw the line personally.

I fully understand no one would want to be like that, and the difference between empathy and condoning.

My opinion on paedophiles is a harsh one. I think there's no helping these people. No amount of therapy can guarantee they would never act on their urges. Like anyone in recovery or any similar situation where someones fighting their urges. No one's perfect and people will slip up and make mistakes.

The fallout of this is destroying an innocent child's life just because some genetic anomaly makes these people this way. It's an evil sick condition and taking the risk of hoping they won't isn't good enough.

I draw the line at paedophiles when it comes to people who should and can be helped. That's when a person should be wrote off entirely. That they are capable or have any likelihood of harming a child is enough for me to never feel empathy for them.

They can't be fixed like homosexuality cannot be "fixed". Difference is homosexuality doesn't need to be fixed. Pedo's should be incarcerated, why give them freedom just because they may not molest a child?

They have no place in society. So no idiot see how anyone could feel empathy for these "people".

I know you haven't said this, but I want to ask;
Do you want all pedophiles (people attracted to children), to be incarcerated regardless of whether they've committed a crime or not?

 

[SkeptiMism]

I'd imagine for the vast majority of pedophiles their pedophilia might be something like this comparison.

Imagine being slightly attracted to your girlfriend's mother or best friend. You couldn't even think of raping her, that'd be a completely absurd, insane idea. If you're a decent human being, you would never, ever even touch her in any sexual way, not even if you got a perfect chance at it, not even if she threw herself at you.

In the case of a pedophile, anyone would know it would be considered a monstrous act to act upon your urges. Any half decent human being would have the empathy to realize it would really be a monstrous act.

I know, the comparison isn't completely accurate, but anyway, the point is that I really don't think most pedophiles have to actively control their urges. I'd guess it's something they may sometimes want, but couldn't really even imagine doing in reality. Sort of like a fantasy.
It might be harder for those that are only attracted to children though. I'd imagine at least that majority don't have such an exclusionary orientation, but I'd imagine that even those who have it an exclusionary orientation, would mostly realize how monstrous it would be to act on it.

Not saying they don't need help though. In any case, it would be good if they could talk about it without being instantly demonized only for having such an attraction. Such demonization doesn't help anyone.

 

[Dreamgazer]

Like has been said at the beginning this is a difficult topic to discuss with the emotions attached to it.

I honestly feel like when a person is born like this, through no fault of their own, that's where I draw the line personally.

I fully understand no one would want to be like that, and the difference between empathy and condoning.

My opinion on paedophiles is a harsh one. I think there's no helping these people. No amount of therapy can guarantee they would never act on their urges. Like anyone in recovery or any similar situation where someones fighting their urges. No one's perfect and people will slip up and make mistakes.

The fallout of this is destroying an innocent child's life just because some genetic anomaly makes these people this way. It's an evil sick condition and taking the risk of hoping they won't isn't good enough.

I draw the line at paedophiles when it comes to people who should and can be helped. That's when a person should be wrote off entirely. That they are capable or have any likelihood of harming a child is enough for me to never feel empathy for them.

They can't be fixed like homosexuality cannot be "fixed". Difference is homosexuality doesn't need to be fixed. Pedo's should be incarcerated, why give them freedom just because they may not molest a child?

They have no place in society. So no idiot see how anyone could feel empathy for these "people".

Yes, let's encourage all people with mental issues to go into hiding even more.
We'll just have to wait till they commit the crime to put them away.
That will surely help us reduce child abuse cases.

BTW, at what age do you suggest that we start incarcerate these people?

 

[Stet]

I'd imagine for the vast majority of pedophiles their pedophilia might be something like this comparison.

Imagine being slightly attracted to your girlfriend's mother or best friend. You couldn't even think of raping her, that'd be a completely absurd, insane idea. If you're a decent human being, you would never, ever even touch her in any sexual way, not even if you got a perfect chance at it, not even if she threw herself at you.

In the case of a pedophile, anyone would know it would be considered a monstrous act to act upon your urges. Any half decent human being would have the empathy to realize it would really be a monstrous act.

I know, the comparison isn't completely accurate, but anyway, the point is that I really don't think most pedophiles have to actively control their urges. I'd guess it's something they may sometimes want, but couldn't really even imagine doing in reality. Sort of like a fantasy.
It might be harder for those that are only attracted to children though. I'd imagine at least that majority don't have such an exclusionary orientation, but I'd imagine that even those who have it an exclusionary orientation, would mostly realize how monstrous it would be to act on it.

Not saying they don't need help though. In any case, it would be good if they could talk about it without being instantly demonized only for having such an attraction. Such demonization doesn't help anyone.

This comparison only works if the only reason they would never pursue that relationship is because it was illegal. If they don't want help, we have to assume that they don't see anything wrong with their desires as long as they don't cross that legal line, and that's absurd.

 

[Cipherr]

I think there was a thread on voluntary euthanasia for a criminal not long ago. People like this should start campaigning for the same rights instead of expecting sympathy. Removing themselves from the gene pool is the right answer.

I do pity them, and hope that we'll seen get the advances we need in neuroscience to actually figure out a way of curing them of their depravity, perhaps through a combination of neurosurgery and hormonal adjustments. Until then, chemical castration is a 100% sure-way method of making sure they don't actually molest a child.

Suicide and Chemical Castration.


Right.....

You know, you don't have to pretend to be an actual Nazi to make sure no one thinks your a pedo guys. The tough guy bullshit is really not necessary. Calm down.

 

[Dreamgazer]

Suicide and Chemical Castration.


Right.....

You know, you don't have to pretend to be an actual Nazi to make sure no one thinks your a pedo guys. The tough guy bullshit is really not necessary. Calm down.

or they can at least pretend they care and then secretly off people in "rehab" camps.

 

[J-Rod]

I have sympathy for people born with problems, but not being able to put your dick in something you want to is not the most awful thing in the world to live with. If I had an horrible innate desire to torture pedophiles, you'd think I was fucked up, but because a pedophile's horrible innate desire is what makes them cum, then not being able to fulfil that desire is suddenly the most horrible thing for a person to suffer through life with and you see the same posts over and over about how sorry people feel and how awful it must be. I'm sure it sucks, but people don't seem have the same level of empathy for anyone else with hurtful desires in them, or if they do, sure do not seem to post topics about it.

 

[Sevarus]

While I understand it may be difficult (although I could never truly understand), I believe it's in everyone's best interest to offer help to those that want help, and there should be no shame in getting such help.

Okay. I am trying to figure out what the acceptable boundaries are. Obviously any touching of a child is out. Looking at, owning, or making child pornography is out (unless it is something animated or otherwise not involving actual children, correct?).

It is incredibly difficult to complete repress all sexual urges. So what is an appropriate outlet?

 

[GreenRobot]

As far as we know it's quite probable, but it's not really a booming research area. That said it's not about turning them straight, it's about helping them live more comfortably with their pedophilic urges. Yes it runs very close to what people that think that homosexuality is a disorder advocate, yes that makes me a little uncomfortable. But at the end of the day two consenting adults are very different from an adult and a child and we can't change that.


Children are harmed in the making of child pornography. Child hentai solves that problem but then there's still the question of whether consuming that material is an effective or counter-productive coping strategy, which I would expect would vary from person to person.

Which is why I said child pornography should be punished. Obviously the creators need to be severely punished. But someone who physically harms children is not the same as someone who views illegal porno, who is not the same as someone who harbors these thoughts. Child pornography laws can be as stiff as the sentences for raping a child, as evidenced by the 10 yr sentence. I cannot fathom these ppl, but that seems excessive for someone who has not physically harmed anyone, nor is their any evidence they have ever intended to.

This is not something I feel strongly about, if I am honest. But I just don't agree with this rush to burn them all. Some of them are sick, and know they are sick and would not like to be that way. We can use context and our brains.

 

[Einbroch]

Okay. I am trying to figure out what the acceptable boundaries are. Obviously any touching of a child is out. Looking at, owning, or making child pornography is out (unless it is something animated or otherwise not involving actual children, correct?).

It is incredibly difficult to complete repress all sexual urges. So what is an appropriate outlet?

We don't know. That's part of the problem. Because it's so taboo and so shameful, no one knows the correct course of action. We have to start somewhere. Studies on whether or not animation is helpful or hurtful. Studies on medication specific to this issue. Studies on what therapy works and what doesn't.

Because every closet pedophile is scared to come out and get help, it's unlikely to change unless we as a society are open to the idea of getting them help. Does this mean we condone it? No. But if someone is upset needs help, and are asking for it, we should give it. Try things. Obviously things that aren't harmful to children, but we need to try all kinds of treatment and learn more.

 

[Opiate]

I have sympathy for people born with problems, but not being able to put your dick in something you want to is not the most awful thing in the world to live with. If I had an horrible innate desire to torture pedophiles, you'd think I was fucked up, but because a pedophile's horrible innate desire is what makes them cum, then not being able to fulfil that desire is suddenly the most horrible thing for a person to suffer through life with and you see the same posts over and over about how sorry people feel and how awful it must be.

Sexuality is considered a pretty central part of human existence. I'm not sure you know the history of profound sexual repression, but it's not very pretty. "Bury your basic sexual feelings deep down and never let them out in any way, no big deal," doesn't seem like a sentiment that is compatible with the humanity I've observed.

I'm sure it sucks, but people don't seem have the same level of empathy for anyone else with hurtful desires in them, or if they do, sure do not seem to post topics about it

There have been several people in this very thread who have made that comparison. I've talked about that topic repeatedly as well in the past. But I do think it's less common, and I can tell you why: as bad as murderers are, nothing is more hated in our society than pedophiles. Murders go to prison for the rest of their life; pedophiles go to prison and are frequently killed by other inmates. It's clear that pedophilea evokes a very particular, visceral disgust from people.

I think it's an interesting topic for exactly that reason. I've had someone ask me, "Well if you have empathy for pedophiles, who don't you have empathy for?" And my response to that is: exactly. My goal is to understand why people behave the way they do, and have empathy for them. I don't think empathy is some quality that should be carefully rationed, such that I only have empathy for a select few people.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

I'd imagine for the vast majority of pedophiles their pedophilia might be something like this comparison.

Imagine being slightly attracted to your girlfriend's mother or best friend. You couldn't even think of raping her, that'd be a completely absurd, insane idea. If you're a decent human being, you would never, ever even touch her in any sexual way, not even if you got a perfect chance at it, not even if she threw herself at you.

In the case of a pedophile, anyone would know it would be considered a monstrous act to act upon your urges. Any half decent human being would have the empathy to realize it would really be a monstrous act.

I know, the comparison isn't completely accurate, but anyway, the point is that I really don't think most pedophiles have to actively control their urges. I'd guess it's something they may sometimes want, but couldn't really even imagine doing in reality. Sort of like a fantasy.
It might be harder for those that are only attracted to children though. I'd imagine at least that majority don't have such an exclusionary orientation, but I'd imagine that even those who have it an exclusionary orientation, would mostly realize how monstrous it would be to act on it.

Not saying they don't need help though. In any case, it would be good if they could talk about it without being instantly demonized only for having such an attraction. Such demonization doesn't help anyone.

I don't know if this has been talked about in here, but the whole act of "grooming", where pedophiles begin to feel like the child wants it, is probably a big factor in how they act. I know the whole "grooming" issue was big after the Jerry Sandusky thing. It's like the potential offender sets it up to where it goes from them offending, to the child being the offender because they "wanted it." That's probably the breaking point for them, in regards to controlling it.

I'm willing to bet, however, that there are more people out there than we realize that get a rise out of younger generations. I just think for some people, it's much easier to not pay attention to said "attractive" quality.

 

[munchie64]

If some of the solutions in here were put forward, you'd have a hard time finding Pedophile before they actually did something.

 

[le bip]

I think there was a thread on voluntary euthanasia for a criminal not long ago. People like this should start campaigning for the same rights instead of expecting sympathy. Removing themselves from the gene pool is the right answer.

Are you actually serious?

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

If some of the solutions in here were put forward, you'd have a hard time finding Pedophile before they actually did something.

Couldn't have said it better myself. How the hell is telling somebody that they should just "honorably" kill themselves supposed to make things better?

 

[MoxManiac]

Like has been said at the beginning this is a difficult topic to discuss with the emotions attached to it.

I honestly feel like when a person is born like this, through no fault of their own, that's where I draw the line personally.

I fully understand no one would want to be like that, and the difference between empathy and condoning.

My opinion on paedophiles is a harsh one. I think there's no helping these people. No amount of therapy can guarantee they would never act on their urges. Like anyone in recovery or any similar situation where someones fighting their urges. No one's perfect and people will slip up and make mistakes.

The fallout of this is destroying an innocent child's life just because some genetic anomaly makes these people this way. It's an evil sick condition and taking the risk of hoping they won't isn't good enough.

I draw the line at paedophiles when it comes to people who should and can be helped. That's when a person should be wrote off entirely. That they are capable or have any likelihood of harming a child is enough for me to never feel empathy for them.

They can't be fixed like homosexuality cannot be "fixed". Difference is homosexuality doesn't need to be fixed. Pedo's should be incarcerated, why give them freedom just because they may not molest a child?

They have no place in society. So no idiot see how anyone could feel empathy for these "people".

Are you seriously advocating that pedophiles that haven't commited any kind of crime yet be incarcerated? What the fuck?