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My respects to him then.
Wow, go fuck yourself.
My respects to him then.
I'm not justifying adults having sex with children, as I already stated. I am saying there is a clear distinction between an adult having sex with a prepubescent child, lets say the child is 8, and an adult having consensual sex with a 15 year old child.
It's not about changing the consent laws, it is about conflating the two. Paedophilia is so heinous of a crime if acted upon because they are neither mentally or physiologically ready for sexual intercourse. A 15 year old child on the other hand is reaching young adulthood.
My respects to him then.
Eeeh, I do not think that any adult should be able to have sex with a 15 y/o kid. Adults should be allowed to do whatever, but minors should be protected, but of course, allowed to have sex with people around their age.
Sure, that's fine. I'm speaking more generally about the hostile atmosphere regarding this topic, and how difficult it can be to talk about. If it's difficult for some to simply express empathy, imagine how hard it would be to actually be a pedophile. As you note, there just isn't anywhere for them to go, no one to talk to, and anyone who breaches the topic is looked at with suspicion.
How do straight men resist the urge to rape women everyday?
This hints at another problem with this topic: anyone who shows even a modicum of empathy for pedophiles can be branded.
Why is he defending them? Maybe he's secretly a pedophile too! The topic is so emotionally loaded for some people that we can't have a rational discussion without the assumption of nefarious ulterior motives.
From what I understand of a certain type of argument on the topic at hand, any level sexual desire for a specific group equates to definite future sex crimes against said group. So the answer is: They don't. Break out your guillotine, freddy. You've got a lot of work to do.
Like has been said at the beginning this is a difficult topic to discuss with the emotions attached to it.
I honestly feel like when a person is born like this, through no fault of their own, that's where I draw the line personally.
I fully understand no one would want to be like that, and the difference between empathy and condoning.
My opinion on paedophiles is a harsh one. I think there's no helping these people. No amount of therapy can guarantee they would never act on their urges. Like anyone in recovery or any similar situation where someones fighting their urges. No one's perfect and people will slip up and make mistakes.
The fallout of this is destroying an innocent child's life just because some genetic anomaly makes these people this way. It's an evil sick condition and taking the risk of hoping they won't isn't good enough.
I draw the line at paedophiles when it comes to people who should and can be helped. That's when a person should be wrote off entirely. That they are capable or have any likelihood of harming a child is enough for me to never feel empathy for them.
They can't be fixed like homosexuality cannot be "fixed". Difference is homosexuality doesn't need to be fixed. Pedo's should be incarcerated, why give them freedom just because they may not molest a child?
They have no place in society. So no idiot see how anyone could feel empathy for these "people".
My respects to him then.
You're missing the point.. It isn't really about whether you think adults should or shouldn't have sex with children below the age of consent, it is about conflating the two. You said you don't care about the two things being conflated. Surely you understand what I am saying though about one being much worse than the other, right? One being a much bigger potential danger to society than the other.
It's not so much about whether you should prosecute that kind behaviour, it is the approach you take considering how much of a stigma in society sex offenders are. It often amounts to extra-judicial justice.
My respects to him then.
i don't think it services the conversation by drawing comparisons to hetero/homosexuality.
I agree. Comparing pedophilia to hetero/homosexuality never made sense to me. What does one's sexual orientation have anything to do with a mental disease?
One is much worse I completely agree, but that does not mean the lesser evil should be ignored or simply waved away as a lesser danger to society.
For starters, I do not see that one is a bigger potential danger. I would not be surprised if non consensual adult/teen sex had a bigger incidence than plain old pedophilia.
And in the bigger frame of this thread about non-criminal pedophiles, I really really really doubt that any society with laws where the age of consent coincides -or is very close- to the age of adulthood, will be open to discussion of what to do with pedophiles, if you open the discussion saying "we should drop the age of consent to 15 and do away with the old statutory rape laws".
So I do not see how your point of "bigger damage to society" applies here. Age of consent and sex with sexually active minors are no related to the discussion of non criminal pedophiles, so taking the opportunity to try to drop down the age of consent will only damage any chance of helping non criminal pedophiles.
I agree. Comparing pedophilia to hetero/homosexuality never made sense to me. What does one's sexual orientation have anything to do with a mental disease?
i don't think it services the conversation by drawing comparisons to hetero/homosexuality.
The comparison is made purely based on innate attraction I believe. I think all forms of paraphilia fall under that label in one way or another. It's just a means of saying "this is not a preference that can be changed" rather than "homosexuality=pedo/zoo/necrophilia".
Places where the age of consent is the age of adulthood conflate "consent" with "adult consent". It is what I am doing here. The reality is that minors will have sex with each other, and that some times, a kid will enter adulthood during a sexual relationship with another minor, but that is manageable with decent romeo and juliet laws. Trying to argue about sexual development of minors is fine, but they are still not adults and should be treated as such. In gral, adults should only have sex with adults.You're arguing against a straw man. Although, I guess it depends on what you mean by 'non-consensual' sex.
I will just point out anyway... The reason a paedophile is a bigger danger to society is because not only is consent irrelevant, often times the question of consent is far from a child's mind. The act can only ever be a form of abuse which will more than likely have detrimental effects on the psychology of the child growing up. When you're talking about a relationship with a 15 year old child, it is much murkier ground when speaking about consent and the effects of such a relationship. Surely though, consent has far more meaning with the latter than it does with the former.
It can't be changed, but it can't have developed naturally. Attraction to people who haven't matured sexually is way outside of the ballpark of regular sexual development. As we've already established, orientation has nothing to do with it.
I mean to develop an attraction to people who have no business having sex. That has to be at least a mental issue.
I know all that, I mean bigger danger in the bigger sense of amount of people damaged, which is always a difficult thing to size up -even if there were more teens damaged, were they damaged more than the kids?-. You really cannot compare in that view.
This is not a strawman. Trying to bring up that age of consent should be dropped across the ground is not a good start for a conversation about pedophilia, and there is no logical argument that goes from "we should do something to help non criminal pedophiles" to "we should drop down age of consent as it is completely separate from adulthood". So yeah, that is a different conversation.
It can't be changed, but it can't have developed naturally. Attraction to people who haven't matured sexually is way outside of the ballpark of regular sexual development. As we've already established, orientation has nothing to do with it.
I mean to develop an attraction to people who have no business having sex. That has to be at least a mental issue.
I fail to see the larger point of the recent wave of threads related to pedophilia on this forum. Should society empathize with individuals with mental disorders? Sure, but neoGAF is absolutely wrong in selecting pedophilia as a cause to champion. I'm calling out the forum as a whole because moderators are leading the crusade.
Comparing the discrimination of pedophilia to homosexuality is logical fallacy. It's apples to oranges. There's a huge difference between consensual adults and children.
The children are the victims whether it's rape, molestation, indecent exposure, child pornography, or whatever. The rhetorical questions in the thread of why pedophiles are targets of violent crimes in prisons is pretty simple stupid. Children can't protect themselves. Why should anyone commend a decent adult from not acting on their sexual urges?
I fail to see the larger point of the recent wave of threads related to pedophilia on this forum. Should society empathize with individuals with mental disorders? Sure, but neoGAF is absolutely wrong in selecting pedophilia as a cause to champion. I'm calling out the forum as a whole because moderators are leading the crusade.
Comparing the discrimination of pedophilia to homosexuality is logical fallacy. It's apples to oranges. There's a huge difference between consensual adults and children.
The children are the victims whether it's rape, molestation, indecent exposure, child pornography, or whatever. The rhetorical questions in the thread of why pedophiles are targets of violent crimes in prisons is pretty simple stupid. Children can't protect themselves. Why should anyone commend a decent adult from not acting on their sexual urges?
Once a pedophile has abused a child, they deserve all the scorn
I'm not fully convinced comparisons to sexualities is appropriate, but this reasoning isn't very good. "Can't have developed naturally" is precisely the argument used against the notion homosexuals were born that way, too.
I fail to see the larger point of the recent wave of threads related to pedophilia on this forum. Should society empathize with individuals with mental disorders? Sure, but neoGAF is absolutely wrong in selecting pedophilia as a cause to champion. I'm calling out the forum as a whole because moderators are leading the crusade.
Comparing the discrimination of pedophilia to homosexuality is logical fallacy. It's apples to oranges. There's a huge difference between consensual adults and children.
The children are the victims whether it's rape, molestation, indecent exposure, child pornography, or whatever. The rhetorical questions in the thread of why pedophiles are targets of violent crimes in prisons is pretty simple stupid. Children can't protect themselves. Why should anyone commend a decent adult from not acting on their sexual urges?
It can't be changed, but it can't have developed naturally. Attraction to people who haven't matured sexually is way outside of the ballpark of regular sexual development. As we've already established, orientation has nothing to do with it.
...attack your precious pedophiles.
Maybe we are arguing the same thing.lol
Actually, that would be the very definition of a straw man. I never suggested once you should drop the age of consent. In fact I have repeatedly stressed that to make it clear.
My argument was about conflating the two: Paedophilia and Ephebophilia. Paedophilia is a sexual attraction to prepubescent children. Ephebophilia is an attraction to teenage girls. More specifically 15-19. In other words, young adults.
It makes sense not to conflate the two because of the stigma in society people have for Paedophilia. People assume instantly that the person will sexual abuse their children. Having a consenual relationship with a teenager however, is different to sexually abusing a child. There is no indication they are going to sexually abuse a child. That is another step entirely. That was the point I was making.
It's not about changing the age of consent, I just see treating them separately, might be a better idea.
Nothing else you said bears addressing, but this selection right here demonstrates perfectly why these discussions should only include adult participants.
Much like sex.
I'm amazed this thread is still open and getting replies. The people showing empathy towards paedophiles (harming children or not) is making me sick to my stomach.
A paedophile committed suicide in part due to fears he may harm him own children in the future? He thought he may harm his own fucking children? It really doesn't matter how bad he felt about himself or how much therapy he tried to get. If he really thought he was capable of doing that to his own flesh and blood then I honestly believe he made the right decision.
Read my post after that, his fear was not that he would harm his own children sexually, but rather child services and the police would constantly harass him and his family because of who he is and try to split them apart. Such thoughts were hell to him.
Read my post after that, his fear was not that he would harm his own children sexually, but rather child services and the police would constantly harass him and his family because of who he is and try to split them apart. Such thoughts were hell to him.
What is it about this forum being right about how awful rape truly is, but then turns around to feel bad for the poor pedophiles?
My respects to him then.
I'm amazed this thread is still open and getting replies. The people showing empathy towards paedophiles (harming children or not) is making me sick to my stomach.
Anyone saying that any human being killing themselves was the right choice is fucking piece of shit.
What the fuck guys, seriously?
I'm amazed this thread is still open and getting replies. The people showing empathy towards paedophiles (harming children or not) is making me sick to my stomach.
attack your precious pedophiles.
People like you are partially responsible for pedophiles continuing to rape children. Your insistence on shutting down the discussion and trying to shame people into not addressing the problem allows it to perpetuate without any attempt being permitted to have it fixed.
People like you are partially responsible for pedophiles continuing to rape children. Your insistence on shutting down the discussion and trying to shame people into not addressing the problem allows it to perpetuate without any attempt being permitted to have it fixed.
My apologies. I missed the second post. I removed that part of my post.Read my post after that, his fear was not that he would harm his own children sexually, but rather child services and the police would constantly harass him and his family because of who he is and try to split them apart. Such thoughts were hell to him.
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Read my post after that, his fear was not that he would harm his own children sexually, but rather child services and the police would constantly harass him and his family because of who he is and try to split them apart. Such thoughts were hell to him.
Are you really shifting responsibility from the perpetrator?
What is exactly the "fix" for pedophiles?
This is such bullshit. The problem is largely unaddressable because at their core pedophiles want to do something they never can in any legal, ethical, or moral way. There's no solution to that.