Karsticles
Member
KoFXIII had abysmal online - that alone is enough to kill most fighting games. You need to have that to succeed these days. MvC3 and MK9 got away with it because they were bringing back old franchises.
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The Tragedy of Castlevania Judgement. (and other Arena Fighters)
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Arc Christelle
Member
This is true, the brands are that strong.
Speaking of online, for the CVJ players that played online, how was it?
It was okay from what I remember, though rare were the times I found somebody because I bought the game late.
People were quitting during finishers cut scenes too.
Arc Christelle
Member
That's always been a problem with games that uses cut scenes for supers and finishers. At times I've actually pressed start during a fight because I wanted to get back to the game. Although in this case I don't understand why it would drive someone to quit mid game.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
I've heard someone call Archeblade a better version of Castlevania: Judgement. I'd be curious to see what Judgement fans think of that title.
Arc Christelle
Member
Fuck no. That game lacks a decent targeting system with some other stuff. It was an interesting experiment, but honestly.... nah.
This definitely needs to be in the OP, makes it even more tragic that we will not be seeing a sequel.
Played quite a bit of online for CVJ and the netcode was actually pretty solid, though salty disconnects were rampant and made rank a pain in the ass.
Arc Christelle
Member
Thus the tragedy. Konami left it on the side of the road like an abandoned child.
I'm happy that there are so many people who enjoyed CVJ, we definitely need to make an Arena Fighters community to bring the genre to the surface. Probably even a competitive scene of some sorts.
If that was at all their thought process, then it still doesn't make any sense. Dissidia was never meant to be Psychic Force (or a replacement), and Taito had/has a healthy arcade market thanks to the X/X2 series of hardware.
They could have at least rode the bit of "resurgence hype" that the PS2 collection fostered and see what happened with a new, PS3-level game for arcades and then consoles back around 2006/2007.
It's all I can hope that maybe PF2012's port on NESiCA earlier this year may mean that some day, Taito will try again with "Project Psychic".
While I'm on the subject of PF, I might as well bring up the other arena fighter that caught my eye back during the PSX-era: "Destrega".
Before Omega Force became the "Musou/DW company" that most know it for today, they actually made a pretty nifty arena fighter for PSX that you could tell drew some inspiration from "Psychic Force". But I came to like it as its own beast, due to the much more "ground-based" take on projectile-shooting combat.
To this day, I still wish that Koei would go back and give this game another shot in a modern market. Not only would they stand to diversify their catalog a bit more, but Destrega could possibly find a following from those who already like some of the arena-style fighters that are present on the market today.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Well that's a shame. Maybe it needs more time in the oven. A lot of the new arena fighters are in the F2P space.
Black Door
Banned
I never understood why Richter isn't in the game, he's been in many titles, including two my all time favorite Castlevania, SotN and Dracula X. It was kind of a let down when I saw the whole roster with him missing.
Iga is/was a CVIII/Trevor fanboy and had been hyping him up as the "ultimate Belmont" or something prior to Judgment. Richter had previously been hyped up as the star of the bloodline, and his moveset would allow him to prove it, and this runs counter to Iga's fantasy
Yes!
Here's an ASW sized roster:
Balanced between Belmonts and non-Belmont protagonists. Also supporting characters with unique weapons.
(I replaced Sypha with Yoko for more balanced representation.)
IBut I love Takeshi Obata
Sure a lot of you might prefer Kojima's art and that's up to your personal taste of course but Obata is great too ! (even of the some of the fan-severicey elements were slightly overdone)
Opinions in this thread I agree with:
-Castlevania Judgement was not as bad as I was led to believe
-I had a lot of fun with it
-The artstyle wasn't the best from the series, but I actually enjoyed it for what it was
-The fighting stories and dialogue were cheesy (but in truth I've never played a fighting game with GOOD dialogue in stories so I wasn't expecting anything deep)
-I'd enjoy a sequel
Opinions in this thread I disagree with:
-Lords of Shadow was a God of War clone (only a super shallow interpretation of what Mercury Steam did would lead to this conclusion--really enjoyed the re imagining, and super excited for the finale next year)
-There are too many 2D based fighting games (I feel like we could always use more 2D fighters, we've not yet saturated the market with "trash titles" ala end of SNES era Clay Fighter and Primal Rage...though they also had redeemable features)
-The arena fighting game genre is under represented (seems like there are a lot of these on the market with new iterations for most every series)
-They should make a sequel to Judgement (even though I'd enjoy it, financially its probably not the best direction right now)
-Castlevania Judgement was not as bad as I was led to believe
-I had a lot of fun with it
-The artstyle wasn't the best from the series, but I actually enjoyed it for what it was
-The fighting stories and dialogue were cheesy (but in truth I've never played a fighting game with GOOD dialogue in stories so I wasn't expecting anything deep)
-I'd enjoy a sequel
Opinions in this thread I disagree with:
-Lords of Shadow was a God of War clone (only a super shallow interpretation of what Mercury Steam did would lead to this conclusion--really enjoyed the re imagining, and super excited for the finale next year)
-There are too many 2D based fighting games (I feel like we could always use more 2D fighters, we've not yet saturated the market with "trash titles" ala end of SNES era Clay Fighter and Primal Rage...though they also had redeemable features)
-The arena fighting game genre is under represented (seems like there are a lot of these on the market with new iterations for most every series)
-They should make a sequel to Judgement (even though I'd enjoy it, financially its probably not the best direction right now)
SolarKnight
Member
Yeah that's the problem here. The style is ok, the designs are not save for a couple.
Karsticles
Member
I'd rather have adult Maria. And who is the girl on the bottom-right-ish?Yes!
Here's an ASW sized roster:
Balanced between Belmonts and non-Belmont protagonists. Also supporting characters with unique weapons.
(I replaced Sypha with Yoko for more balanced representation.)
Ilovelike Obata too, but he was the wrong person for the job. Aeon looks amazing, but the redesigns don't.
Too many dudes with whips there, too.
Arc Christelle
Member
It is weird that despite having the most popular hardware for arcades today, they choose not to support it themselves, especially after fighting games have become so popular.If that was at all their thought process, then it still doesn't make any sense. Dissidia was never meant to be Psychic Force (or a replacement), and Taito had/has a healthy arcade market thanks to the X/X2 series of hardware.
They could have at least rode the bit of "resurgence hype" that the PS2 collection fostered and see what happened with a new, PS3-level game for arcades and then consoles back around 2006/2007.
It's all I can hope that maybe PF2012's port on NESiCA earlier this year may mean that some day, Taito will try again with "Project Psychic".
While I'm on the subject of PF, I might as well bring up the other arena fighter that caught my eye back during the PSX-era: "Destrega".
Before Omega Force became the "Musou/DW company" that most know it for today, they actually made a pretty nifty arena fighter for PSX that you could tell drew some inspiration from "Psychic Force". But I came to like it as its own beast, due to the much more "ground-based" take on projectile-shooting combat.
To this day, I still wish that Koei would go back and give this game another shot in a modern market. Not only would they stand to diversify their catalog a bit more, but Destrega could possibly find a following from those who already like some of the arena-style fighters that are present on the market today.
Weird, I've grown attached to Obata's depictions of Eric, Sypha, and Grant. lolYes!
Here's an ASW sized roster:
Balanced between Belmonts and non-Belmont protagonists. Also supporting characters with unique weapons.
(I replaced Sypha with Yoko for more balanced representation.)
Ilovelike Obata too, but he was the wrong person for the job. Aeon looks amazing, but the redesign don't.
J
Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
Sypha if I'm not mistaken.
I don't know where this "small rosters = ASW fighters" notion comes from. BlazBlue and P4A might have relatively small rosters, but Guilty Gear which is the game that made the company known worldwide in the first place has like 23 different chars. I agree with most picks; although I would leave either Yoko or Sypha out and include more baddies like:
EDIT: Eric? Wait what?
Arc Christelle
Member
SolarKnight
Member
You mean Yoko or the original girly artwork of Eric?
Young Maria is the original, she was more important in that game (AFAIK, haven't played it) and the younger look adds variety to the cast. The other blonde is Yoko Belnades (AoS, DoS).
It's a Castlevania game, two Belmonts don't cut it
Sypha and Grant never got proper/good designs. My vision would be for them to get fleshed out by Kojima based on their original designs.
SolarKnight
Member
Young Maria is the original, she was more important in that game (AFAIK, haven't played it) and the younger look adds variety to the cast. The other blonde is Yoko Belnades (AoS, DoS).
It's a Castlevania game, two Belmonts don't cut it
I think that roster needs Carmilla though. Her and the Golem were nice for variety in the actual Judgment roster.
kunonabi
Member
it was one of the better online wii games. few bad connections, always someone on, and the competition was really stiff.
Supermanisdead
Member
custom robo arena was fucking awesome. i need a wii u version, without the shitty pokemon knockoff story. just pure robot fighting and
polishing robot dicks
Perhaps HD era vs. SD era?
I had her at first, but the way I arranged them fits better without her.
I really hope no game designer thinks this way lol.
Edit: Here you go.
Arc Christelle
Member
True, but I've been playing Judgment so long to the point where it's just stuck in my head now, lol I recognize it as them.
On a side note, me and some friends are currently doing some comparisons between Castlevania and Jojo's characters.
Harken Raiser
Banned
I had no idea you could play this with a Gamecube controller, I'll have to pick this up.
Arc Christelle
Member
Can you play with classic controller? I Only have a Wii U at my place now, and no gc ports
I think you should be able to, since it supports multiple inputs, more than likely. It's not bad considering I've been playing on Dolphin Emulator lately since I don't have a Wii at the momet and using my 360 controller. Though the button layout on the GC does make button combination presses better. Specifically A+Y.
Rygar 8 Bit
Jaguar 64-bit
It's the most (only?) iconic design. Personally I would just tone it down, make it more symmetrical and less over the top. He should be a gaming icon not a generic Conan the Barbarian clone.
killatopak
Member
Gundam vs is the best especially for gundam fans like me.
Rygar 8 Bit
Jaguar 64-bit
rather this
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(They even have matching necklaces! )
But regardless, I think we're all forgetting the best Simon Belmont design.
Rygar 8 Bit
Jaguar 64-bit
even captain n simon still beats chronicles simon
I loved both this and Naruto CoN, don't hate.
sixteen-bit
Member
So nobody played Gotcha Force?
The Bankslammer
Member
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
It is unfortunate, the author of DN has good art anyways, but it just didn't fully jive with the castlevania u niverse as much as it should, I will say that I don't think the character designs were completely terrible though
Black Door
Banned
He's a step up from Scottish Highlander Simon Belmont in Mirror of Fate, though
Arc Christelle
Member
................................ I'd take Ayami's design any day of the week. A Simon without style is a Simon I don't want.rather this
.... Holy shit, I still haven't played that fuckin game yet!!
Dark Octave
Banned
Wait, wait...so Castlevania Judgement was a fighting game?
Arc Christelle
Member
lol indeed.
Then you obviously have no idea how huge the Gundam VS games are.
Capcom really was awesome when it came to robot arena fighters, weren't they? They still need to remake this:
