Leelah identified as a woman and so she was a woman. To do otherwise is to deny her identity. If may make you feel "uncomfortable" but for god's sake imagine how it would make a transitioning woman feel to be called "man" or "son". So in that case, fuck your uncomfortability, suck it up, and call them what they are.
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The Tragedy of Transgender Suicide in a Single Note
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Leelah identified as a woman and so she was a woman. To do otherwise is to deny her identity. If may make you feel "uncomfortable" but for god's sake imagine how it would make a transitioning woman feel to be called "man" or "son". So in that case, fuck your uncomfortability, suck it up, and call them what they are.
Look, if you had a transgender child, if you were to be supportive, you would call that person by the proper pronoun. Otherwise that is not acceptance, and in the back of the mind of the child, they would know. Often times, it is little things like that that matter.
I'll admit it would probably take a mountain of re-education to change the way I feel, but I'm willing to put in the time to read the literature (I'm at work but I have started reading a bit).
If it helps, I call the Wachowski sister a "her" and "she" and corrected my friend last week when he said the "Wachowski brothers are making Jupiter Ascending". Maybe it's because the Wachowski transgendered sibling looks like my preconceived notion for what a girl should look like. Heck, I don't even know if the Wachowski sister has fully transitioned, I just unquestioningly refer to her as "her".
If it helps, I call the Wachowski sister a "her" and "she" and corrected my friend last week when he said the "Wachowski brothers are making Jupiter Ascending". Maybe it's because the Wachowski transgendered sibling looks like my preconceived notion for what a girl should look like. Heck, I don't even know if the Wachowski sister has fully transitioned, I just unquestioningly refer to her as "her".
I understand you're trying to educate yourself and that's great. Thanks for being open about your feelings I know that can be hard sometimes.
I would, in the future though, not put quotes around a person's chosen gender. Lana is a woman, not a "woman". I know you were doing it for clarities sake but it's completely unnecessary and can be seen as inflammatory. As for your uncomfortability at calling someone their prefered pronoun, just try to put yourself in their shoes and feel how awful it would be to be misgendered constantly.
meltingparappa
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Regarding the mother, judging someone going through the worst grief she may have in her life is quite unfair. She also likely has a different concept of privacy and wouldn't assume everyone reading that status would know of her daughter's tumblr. From her misguided point if view, she is likely trying to spare his dignity and mask his gender identity "sickness." Needless to say, but even a year from now, her views on this issue will be regretfully too little too late, but I hope it heels her understand the person her daughter truly was.
And as someone greatly affected by depression in my family, in always saddened by the spin on articles like this where they take the pleas of a suicide note and turn the tragedy into a story about a martyr. This poor girl didn't give her life so we could all learn a valuable lesson, she lost her life due to a treatabl illness that sadly very few average people recognize or understand. Three circumstances of her family, peers and support group weren't able to intervene before the warning signs got worse, and the world will never get to see there rest of the smiles she had to offer.
If anyone knows of anyone in the midst of unusual behavior during a down swing and are convinced the world is unfixable, please please phase direct them as best you can to the help of a professional. To take your life because you believe your death will serve a social purpose is a terrible reason to deprive yourself if the chance to find happiness in your fleeting time on earth.
And as someone greatly affected by depression in my family, in always saddened by the spin on articles like this where they take the pleas of a suicide note and turn the tragedy into a story about a martyr. This poor girl didn't give her life so we could all learn a valuable lesson, she lost her life due to a treatabl illness that sadly very few average people recognize or understand. Three circumstances of her family, peers and support group weren't able to intervene before the warning signs got worse, and the world will never get to see there rest of the smiles she had to offer.
If anyone knows of anyone in the midst of unusual behavior during a down swing and are convinced the world is unfixable, please please phase direct them as best you can to the help of a professional. To take your life because you believe your death will serve a social purpose is a terrible reason to deprive yourself if the chance to find happiness in your fleeting time on earth.
Audioboxer
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The physical appearance of something can confuse the mind, but things need to be looked at on a case by case basis and never lumped under the same brush so to speak. There is no "norm" in life, everything is what it is.
There are people who say they want to dress as or look like the opposite sex, but do not wish for gender reassignment. But in this girls case she felt like she was trapped in a boys body, not that she felt like a boy who wished to dress or look feminine.
Reading her story and seeing the awful ending of her life can only convince even people online thousands of miles away from her she genuinely did feel like a girl trapped in a boys body. She wouldn't have been so incredibly depressed, rejected and ultimately take her own life if she wasn't 100% sure of her feelings. Sure I'd agree she'd be suffering from mental illness, but more than anything that would be a result of the fear of acceptance, her parents, her friends, feeling alone and not knowing how to be accepted as a girl.
On a medical front, anything is possible if you ask me. We are just everything that makes up our physical appearance, our biological and brain. Not everyone is going to be born equally, that's the wonders of life and evolution. Of course some people are incredibly unfortunate with severe physical or mental handicaps, which only go to highlight how gender or sexual orientation should be widely accepted in our era, if we are as empathetic, sympathetic and medically intrigued to help those with said physical and mental handicaps.
As you can tell I'm not religious, but I'd like to think even those people that are can still come into the modern era and see things in books written so long ago by people genuinely less advanced than us as symbolic of those times. Things that matter are love, understanding, compassion, forgiveness when due and accepting our fellow humans for who they are. For a lot of us there's more than enough ways to educate ourselves with the internet, ignorance for many these days is more of a choice than anything.
Duly noted but I think you're thinking about this from a more normalized view of depression and suicide and not from the perspective of Leelah. She had no one to go to because she didn't feel like she had anyone to talk to. That's not the fault of her or our medical profession or our very real and dangerous stigmas against mental health but the fault of our (societies) backwards and suffocating views on transgender people and the struggles they face.
If we as a people were more open to Leelah and her personal story then this may have been prevented. It's on all of us, all the time, to make the world a place where Leelah's parents maybe wouldn't have been so quick to judge and shut away their daughter.
It's a really hard thing for so many people to wrap their heads around due to how language is used and the basics of identification. Hell, ask anyone, ask your parents what gender means and they sure as hell aren't coming close to this: ""Gender" refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviours, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for men and women." I can't imagine what a poll would look like if people were asked if being transgender was a mental illness. Through misguided logic, it's super easy to end up at that conclusion, just like I'm sure there was a time when people said that(at least more frequently) about homosexuality. People have an easier capacity to understand love and can understand how it's ok for anyone to love another person, regardless of their sex. Some people may not necessarily think it's "not ok" to be transgender, but I don't think those people can really wrap their head around what it means to be transgender and so this remains alien to them in a way that homosexuality isn't. Hell, I'm sympathetic to transgender people, but the idea of not being comfortable in my own skin to this degree? That's something I can barely comprehend even if I'm attempting to empathize.
Long story short, this story among so many others are incredibly heartbreaking and I fear the road to larger cultural acceptance is going to take a very, very long time.
Long story short, this story among so many others are incredibly heartbreaking and I fear the road to larger cultural acceptance is going to take a very, very long time.
Audioboxer
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Yeah there is truth in that, the driver will be traumatised. It is hard to kill yourself in the sense of quick "painless" options. Unless you have access to a lethal weapon like a gun, cutting, jumping, strangling and so forth can often go very wrong and leave you really messed up, but alive. Impacts from vehicles, trains, and so forth are usually fairly effective. Horrible analysis to have to make, but there is truth in what you're saying for the poor guy behind the wheel.
OneEightZero
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It has been a difficult struggle to accept the realization that she believed her death would have more of an impact on societal change than taking the normal course of growing up, moving out, etc.
I've been maddened with this all morning. It is so unfair and so tragic that the hopelessness and the fear of a miserable life forced her hand in choosing to die.
IISANDERII
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I'm glad this is posted so people can see that seemingly normal people can still be so vile and warped as to drive their own child to a life of torture, misery and suicide.and you've got the mother completely denying that her daughter was driven to suicide, misgendering, and using the wrong name numerous times
upstanding parent of the year award
Oddly enough I never heard about it until I encountered an anti Trans person saying that it's a mental disorder and how the first place to perform the operations no longer does because yadda yadda. I've now started trying to learn more about the situation from both sides. On one hand I firmly believe that every person given the means should be allowed to identify as whatever gender they want, and even people who disagree with that can be polite enough about it to not be insulting or bullying, on the other hand some part of me wonders if it really might be somewhat of a mental disorder I mean it's possible. I want to find out for myself, so if anyone has some good resources on 'the controversy' (ugh) as it were, I'm all ears.
I had no idea that suicide rates were that high. One of my girlfriends friends has been transitioning for... two years now? Unfortunately she doesn't seem very convincing, and I don't mean that as in 'she should conform to standards of beauty', I mean that to say that... life might suck a lot if her results don't come out the other side being... good. In reading these statistics, it really hit me what she told me the other day:
"I'm working in a building making buttons all day for 12 dollars an hour, it's not bad."
One of my old friendswhom I am no longer in contact with transitioned some time ago, it was quite a shock because he was always a very muscular guy, but last I saw her the transition seems to have gone fairly well. I kind of fell out on contact with her... last I heard she was with a girlfriend. I should try to get back in contact... I'm kind of worried to be honest. I hope she's had a good life.
Absolutely this. Just think about it like this, you can and should be polite no matter what the situation is. There's absolutely zero reason to be rude. Especially when it is something that is so important to them as this.
This is really heartbreaking.
Identity is everything. Deny someone their chosen identity, and you're denying their existence, pretty much. You're telling them you wish they were someone else. I really don't get the "love the person, hate the sin" argument in these cases. If it's homosexuality, "hating the sin" is hating that person's capacity to love another human being, and isn't that what pretty much defines us? If you were to hate the way I express myself and think and love, what the hell is there left to "love"?
Same thing for sexual identity, if those parents hated the way Leelah defined herself, what in the world was there left to love? Other than an idealized, fantastical, non-existing version of who they deluded themselves to think was their son, that is.
Disgusting.
Identity is everything. Deny someone their chosen identity, and you're denying their existence, pretty much. You're telling them you wish they were someone else. I really don't get the "love the person, hate the sin" argument in these cases. If it's homosexuality, "hating the sin" is hating that person's capacity to love another human being, and isn't that what pretty much defines us? If you were to hate the way I express myself and think and love, what the hell is there left to "love"?
Same thing for sexual identity, if those parents hated the way Leelah defined herself, what in the world was there left to love? Other than an idealized, fantastical, non-existing version of who they deluded themselves to think was their son, that is.
Disgusting.
B_Spooky13
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May her life and death truly mean something.. I pray she didn't pass in vain.
RIP
RIP
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Some feel the mother deserves understanding and sympathy because she clearly has a "deep misunderstanding" that leads to her attitudes. Her deep misunderstanding drove someone to kill themselves. Sometimes, people deserve the consequences of their actions.
I'm reminded of so many parents, often religious, who have driven away gay children or pushed them to suicide, and years later come back as a changed person. Repentant now that they claim they understand the gays is real peoples.
It doesn't change the fact that their personality is such that their hangups over identity, gender, and sexuality overrode their instinct to nurture and protect their own child.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
This is where I've been at for a while.
The very notion of "gender" as a distinct and separate concept of biological sex is something I've never truly been able to wrap my head around. It's a distinction that I wasn't even really aware of until fairly recently, honestly. I've actually had a thought experiment on this in the past and realized that, for my entire life, I've basically never identified with or found any value in gender roles at all. I'm a born male and perfectly happy with that, but if by some freak circumstance of nature I happened to wake up tomorrow morning with a female body... nothing of importance would have changed to me. I'd flip my stated gender/sex to female and just move on with my life doing what I've always done. I don't think I'd feel that my body would be something that needs to be corrected.
But the thing is, I also think that none of that really matters. I don't understand why I identify as a cis male; I just do. I don't understand why I'm heterosexual; I just am. Those aren't traits that I chose; they're traits that I was born with and discovered about myself as I matured. If someone else discovers that she's a transgender woman, then it doesn't matter whether or not I understand why that is, and it's not my place or anyone else's to do anything but acknowledge, respect, and love that person for who she is.
Kind of a downer of a story to start the day on. I wish she didn't feel like this was her only option.
Glorious Ownage
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Kind of in the same position. Sad story but I feel quite a lot worse over what that truck driver has and will have to endure
quickwhips
Member
Really sucks. I've really read up on transgender after listening to the band against me! This is really sad all around but it sucks also for the drive who hit her.
God clearly made a mistake here, with the parents.
And that facebook post she wrote is just vile.
I'm glad this is hitting the news and hopefully this time it will matter and change will start.
In my opinion, EVERYONE - regardless of how they personally feel about this subject - has a right to his or her opinion on the subject. I don't believe excommunication, violence or mockery is the proper response to someone struggling with their identity, but by the same token, I abhor the fascist mentality that anyone who disagrees with an ideology is ignorant and hateful. That said, I would like to direct you to this website:
Sex Change Regret
It was created by Walt Heyer. He's a 70-year old man and a former transgendered individual who went from male-to-female and then back to male. He's written three books on the subject and I highly suggest you take a look at his website with an open mind.
I also found this article quite illuminating (and sad): Trouble in Transtopia: Murmurs of Sex Change Regret.
Sex Change Regret
It was created by Walt Heyer. He's a 70-year old man and a former transgendered individual who went from male-to-female and then back to male. He's written three books on the subject and I highly suggest you take a look at his website with an open mind.
I also found this article quite illuminating (and sad): Trouble in Transtopia: Murmurs of Sex Change Regret.
May I suggest this documentary? http://www.mtv.com/shows/laverne-co...rne-cox-presents-the-t-word/1731865/playlist/
Don't get thrown off by the fact that it's a MTV production, it really is very well done. Surprised me too.
Simply Sarah
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While I'm a bit late here, I see some of the more recent posts talk about the mental illness aspect of things and I want to touch on that a bit. Under DSM-V the overarching diagnosis for trans people is "gender dysphoria", which is stated as being "...the distress that may accompany the incongruence between one’s experienced or expressed gender and one’s assigned gender". It's important to note that the mental illness being described here is not the feelings of being something other than your assigned gender. Rather, it is the distress that results from those feelings. In other words, if steps are taken to remove the incongruence then there is no longer a mental illness there.
I know the above may seem like nitpicking to some people, but I think it's important to understand that the psychiatric community currently does not view the actual state of being trans as disordered or a mental illness (Of course, there can be other comorbid conditions). This means that general societal acceptance is huge, since if we're made to feel that we're "fake" men and women then it doesn't much matter if people otherwise tolerate, accept, or "understand" us. This is why we get so up in arms over "little things" like incorrect pronouns or other gendered terms.
Get this harmful shit out of here. The "Trans Regret" movement is dangerous and pretty much explicitly anti-trans. Sure, no one should be pushed into taking steps without being sure they want to and sometimes mistakes are made, but this movement is based on half-truths and twisted context. Here, let me quote the first thing I see on the first link:
This person is not saying they aren't trans and isn't saying they don't feel like they should look and feel like what society sees as a woman. No, they're saying they didn't feel that they were "real enough" and a lot of that has to do with society and how it doesn't understand or support trans issues. It's society that makes trans people feel like they're "fake" and the whole regret movement just feeds that. It's goddamn toxic.
A lot of the numbers these movements tend to cite ignore that many people that "regret" or reverse transition do so for one or more of the following reasons:
1. Rejection by family.
2. Rejection by friends.
3. Rejection by society at large.
4. Feeling they aren't "real".
5. Inability to afford proper treatment.
6. Lack of support.
etc.
In other words, stuff caused by society. I'd write more but this has me worked up a bit and I want to let it clear before I try to add much.
I know the above may seem like nitpicking to some people, but I think it's important to understand that the psychiatric community currently does not view the actual state of being trans as disordered or a mental illness (Of course, there can be other comorbid conditions). This means that general societal acceptance is huge, since if we're made to feel that we're "fake" men and women then it doesn't much matter if people otherwise tolerate, accept, or "understand" us. This is why we get so up in arms over "little things" like incorrect pronouns or other gendered terms.
Get this harmful shit out of here. The "Trans Regret" movement is dangerous and pretty much explicitly anti-trans. Sure, no one should be pushed into taking steps without being sure they want to and sometimes mistakes are made, but this movement is based on half-truths and twisted context. Here, let me quote the first thing I see on the first link:
This person is not saying they aren't trans and isn't saying they don't feel like they should look and feel like what society sees as a woman. No, they're saying they didn't feel that they were "real enough" and a lot of that has to do with society and how it doesn't understand or support trans issues. It's society that makes trans people feel like they're "fake" and the whole regret movement just feeds that. It's goddamn toxic.
A lot of the numbers these movements tend to cite ignore that many people that "regret" or reverse transition do so for one or more of the following reasons:
1. Rejection by family.
2. Rejection by friends.
3. Rejection by society at large.
4. Feeling they aren't "real".
5. Inability to afford proper treatment.
6. Lack of support.
etc.
In other words, stuff caused by society. I'd write more but this has me worked up a bit and I want to let it clear before I try to add much.
This is one profoundly fucked up and sickening post.
First, of course you can share your opinion. Others are simply right to call it out for the sick, ignorant position it is.
Second, do not link nonsense far-right outlets as proof of anything regarding transgender issues. The Federalist has a long history of hateful, grotesque articles demonstrating almost incomprehensibly huge misunderstanding of the subjects they cover, including on lesbian and gay topics.
Third, you link to a page called "sexchangeregret"? Are you fucking serious? First, even if that website wasn't atrocious garbage, an individual having a regret does not change the overall truth of the subject. It's like saying that because a gay person claims that they were "cured" in Christian therapy that it means there's a problem in the gay and lesbian community. And, more to the point, it's completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. It's not about the rare scenario of a transgender individual feeling regret for their change. That did not lead to this suicide, nor did it have any contribution whatsoever to this topic at hand.
Fourth, you are ignorant. I don't know about hateful, but judging by your links it wouldn't be a far guess.
I think the mental illness some are referring too is depression. I know I was.
Pai Pai Master
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and you've got the mother completely denying that her daughter was driven to suicide, misgendering, and using the wrong name numerous times
upstanding parent of the year award
Fuck this disgusting human being. Can't even give her daughter the love and respect she so desired in death. In my eyes she is directly responsible for her daughter's suicide.
The worst thing is this happens practically every day. And parents like this will still hold down their children.
My heart aches for Leelah and the many other children who have to live through hell just because they wish to be the person they are.
I'm no psychologist/psychiatrist, but even existing "mental disorders"...they are just called that because a group of people have decided to make it a certain mental disorder if it has characteristic A, B and C (cf. DSM V). I'm not saying that there are no mental disorders, obviously there are.
If there would be a simple pill that makes transgenders feel good about the body they were born in, great. But there isn't. So trying to "cure" them isn't helping, it's only making the situation worse. The other solution: acceptance and looking for a solution like transitioning or whatever may help for them to feel better.
Simply Sarah
Member
Acknowledged, but I wanted to make the point sort of regardless since I had thought of it. It's rather important people understand what the actual "problem" with a trans person is.
This is one of the issues right now with the lack of assistance/treatment for people trying to grappling w/ these identity issues. Left to figure things out on their own without institutional support, you have both the "Type 1 error" where someone doesn't get the medical assistance w/ transition they need, and the "Type 2 error" where someone isn't transgender but merely gay or just enjoys crossdressing, and ends up with issues after transitioning. Both are very bad outcomes, and highlight the need for broader awareness/education on these issues.
People having issues with transitioning later in life and with transitioning in error doesn't mean that "transgender" doesn't exist- it means we do a bad job handling it as a society right now.
The Lamonster
Member
Came to post this. Super dangerous. She could have killed someone else and then no one would be talking about transgender issues.
to me it's just one of those societal attitudes that makes zero sense when you actually take a second to think about it, which shows that most people don't (i didn't for a long time, to be sure)
gender has nothing to do with genitalia, and anyone reasonable will agree with you if you simply point out that a cis man who gets castrated for whatever reason is still a man
transphobes are basically espousing an attitude equivalent to something like "amputees are lesser humans because there's parts missing"
gender has nothing to do with genitalia, and anyone reasonable will agree with you if you simply point out that a cis man who gets castrated for whatever reason is still a man
transphobes are basically espousing an attitude equivalent to something like "amputees are lesser humans because there's parts missing"
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
My girlfriend is transgendered and her family is full of stupid religious people that won't accept her, I believe that she has tried to kill herself in the past and knowing that it's "normal" is pretty fucking digusting.
We're in a LDR so I can't but I wish I could hug her right about now, fuck this world.
RIP
We're in a LDR so I can't but I wish I could hug her right about now, fuck this world.
RIP
You both realize the girl in question was only 17 and dealing with a metric ton of shit as it is? Hindsight says it probably isn't a good way of going about it given the potential risks for others, but that's not a luxury she had at the time.
Absolutely and the previous editions of the DSM and the previous attitudes of the large majority of the psychological health community didn't help with understanding. Luckily they've seen the light now and have categorized the distress caused by the dysphoria which is much more helpful.
Unfortunately, in many cases like this, even if we reduced the stigma for overall mental health (and depression especially) it probably wouldn't have made much a difference because Leelah probably didn't have anyone she felt she could talk to.
1) That article is full of right winged pretentious bullshit.
2) Most people who regret usually do so in the first month of HRT as the sudden change in body chemistry makes them feel uncomfortable and they realize that it's not what they wanted. A lot of the time it's because the person is a cross dresser, gender-fluid, agendered, or bigendered.
3) The accounts of couple of people who regretted their decision does not equal the entirety of the trans community. A large majority of trans people who go through with HRT and SRS show a lot more confidence and happiness because their sex matches their gender.
4) Transgender is not a mental disorder or a phase, it is a genetic anomaly. There is enough supporting evidences that shows that the brain of a transgendered has the same formation to the sex they identifies with. Having a female brain in a male body is living hell, and I suggest you educate yourself on this matter.
I'm a woman, I am not a man. I lived my entire childhood as a boy and I was alone, scared, angry, and depressed. I've tried to end my life dozens of times when I was a teen and my family knowing the reason refused to help me and even made me never talk about my gender issues to my therapists (Mom always accompanied me). Do you understand how it feels to be this way? It's living hell, I quit school because of it, I had little to no friends, I was bullied and humiliated. Only recently have I started to become happy because I'm transitioning to the correct sex that was robbed from me when I was in the womb. The only cure for gender dysphoria is to change the physical sex to match it, you can't force a female brain to be okay with a male body and vice-versa.
There are also cases of transgender who neither get run over by cars and killed by accident nor as means of suicide but because the driver simply goes like "I'm gonna run over that tranny!"
(Note that I used the last word, a slur, just to illustrate the thought-process of a transphobe.)
(Note that I used the last word, a slur, just to illustrate the thought-process of a transphobe.)
DJ Crimson
Banned
Yea
Pops Maellard
Member
I don't want to be that asshole either, but it is worth considering. The situation her parents put her in is sickening and that people can still hold such antiquated, absurd views is disturbing, but putting your death in someone else's hands is rough. If I was the truck driver, I personally don't think I could live with myself knowing what she went through and that I was responsible for her death.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
You know, I feel sorry for the truck driver who was forced by circumstances to be a part of this. But I think the blame for it should not be placed on the victim's inconsiderate choice of how to die; rather on the family that put the victim in this state of mind in the first place.
Well sure, that is true in regards to the truck driver. I'm not denying the reality of her decision, what I'm saying is those considerations weren't in her mind and the reasons why are nicely laid out in the letter in the OP. When someone is driven to suicide, considerations for others aren't always in the forefront of their minds. It's a terrible situation all around, hindsight or otherwise.
Pops Maellard
Member
Of course, and I don't mean to suggest that any of this should have been a consideration for her at the time.
Statements like this are basically saying "what makes you you isn't what is in your head or your heart, but what's between your legs."
Is that a statement you actually want to stand behind?
bengraven
Member
These parents make me want to rip something out of something squishy and make liquid pour of somewhere it's not meant to. How the fuck can your bullshit religion be more important than your son's happiness. My own kid, I would stand down any all powerful creator and tell him to suck my dick.
Abraham was a fucking chump.
Abraham was a fucking chump.
What will NEVER enter my head is the "you are not trans because god does not make mistakes".
It sounds like "you are not trans because cheese does not fit an apple pie" to me !
God can easily be made this child trans to give some perspective to the mother .... it would still not be a mistake in the same way that half of neogaf needing glasses is not "god's mistake" =P
Also for the regret thing ... when I was unemployed I read some of their stuff ....I found particulary amusing the story of a rich dude who went full sexual reassigment surgery and transition because (keep up with me because I AM NOT JOKING) he told his therapists that his life was too stressfull and his therapist and him came to the conclusion that a women's life is more easy.
Seriously.
Also Sexual Reassingnment Surgery has less registered regret than ridiculously simpler surgerys =P
It sounds like "you are not trans because cheese does not fit an apple pie" to me !
God can easily be made this child trans to give some perspective to the mother .... it would still not be a mistake in the same way that half of neogaf needing glasses is not "god's mistake" =P
Also for the regret thing ... when I was unemployed I read some of their stuff ....I found particulary amusing the story of a rich dude who went full sexual reassigment surgery and transition because (keep up with me because I AM NOT JOKING) he told his therapists that his life was too stressfull and his therapist and him came to the conclusion that a women's life is more easy.
Seriously.
Also Sexual Reassingnment Surgery has less registered regret than ridiculously simpler surgerys =P
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