This. What the fuck? Is this Bannon trying to get his shot in at Israel because racist?
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Trump admin. to Israel: New Settlements Not Helpful to Peace Process
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KillerMan91
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It's probably hard for Bannon to decide who he hates more: Muslims or Jews.
Maintenance
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Now that's one ally I won't mind Trump turning into an enemy.
Trump's foreign policy is totally confused, because he's trying to reconcile his own Russophilia with the pro-Saudi, anti-Iranian Republican orthodoxy and the vehement Islamophobia of Bannon.
I guess. Could be they're trying to gauge how well the criticism goes over and if they can go further.
Could also be the administration is insane and doesn't know how to walk a straight line on an issue.
Netherscourge
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If he follows standard Neo-Nazi theory, the plan is to get Jews and Muslims to eliminate each other while the 4th Reich sits back and eats popcorn.
DerangedHermit
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Seems like a trap.
PJV3
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Lol, don't forget bringing down the EU, Trump is off his rocker.
Rentahamster
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Does anyone remember this?
https://theintercept.com/2015/12/03...l-group-after-telling-them-he-cant-be-bought/
https://theintercept.com/2015/12/03...l-group-after-telling-them-he-cant-be-bought/
Netherscourge
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It'll be interesting to see how much longer Kushner lasts as an adviser.
I don't think Bannon wants him there.
Depends on how much loyalty Trump has between himself & Bannon vs. his himself & his Son-in-Law.
Sectorseven
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Trump is a maverick.
KillerMan91
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Weirdly enough if I remember right Nazis didn't really hate muslims that much. Hitler actually thought that Islam would had suited Germans better than Christianity. Of course it also helped that both had common enemy (Jews). This extreme Islam hate is invention of Neo-Nazis.
Twilight Princess
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Trump's real base, white nationalists, hates jews.
His relationship with Ivanka may come into play when talking Kushner's role in WH. Even Bannon can't outweigh that relationship.
God, yeah. Outside of the Middle East it gets even weirder. Trump talks a big game about wanting to contain China but backed out of the TPP and suggests that American troops shouldn't be stationed in Japan and Korea.
jellies_two
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Alex Jones is gonna bust a blood vessel.
Yesterday he was talking about how Trump is going to get the nobel peace price (nominated by the Israelis) because of his plan to move an american chunk of sovereign land to the middle of Jerusalem.
Yesterday he was talking about how Trump is going to get the nobel peace price (nominated by the Israelis) because of his plan to move an american chunk of sovereign land to the middle of Jerusalem.
Man-is-Obsolete
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I've heard this before....
Oh I bet Trump was supportive then....
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/28/us/politics/john-kerry-israel-palestine-peace.html
Oh I bet Trump was supportive then....
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/28/us/politics/john-kerry-israel-palestine-peace.html
Dude was slaughtering European Christians he thought of as sub human, you really think brown Muslims would have fared well under the Nazi regime had it conquered the middle east?
Yeah neo-nazis definitely consider Jews to be white.
I think they are referring to this
Hitler was a fan of Islam, but only liked Arabs when they also hated Jews.
KillerMan91
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Well sure probably at that point. But muslims were not anywhere near the number one enemy of Nazis like it seems now with Neo-Nazis.
Saint Gregory
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I feel like this has been the weirdest day for this admin so far. It seems so schizophrenic.
Gordon Shumway
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LegendofJoe
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They're right, credit where it's due.
Monocle
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Broken clock, etc.
Byakuya769
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This has little to do with policy goals and more to do with Trumpian diplomacy of supremacy. It's not the settlements that are problematic, it's the settlements coming as a surprise announcement that elicited this response. "New sheriff in town, America's not being pushed around by ANYONE!" is the message.
This administration is a disaster.
This administration is a disaster.
Roland_Gunner
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It's the right policy but its also the exact opposite of what the Trump administration said last week. US foreign policy can't be a coin flip. Its going to mess up every other country out there. This kind of inconsistency is going to lead to a war. Maybe not in Isreal but somewhere in the world.
Dear Jared,
I PROMISE the big guy upstairs wants you to stop observing the Sabbath and start being at the White House on Saturdays if it stops our people from being exterminated. I PROMISE.
Love,
Glix
Edit - not that i think the settlement are okay. But as a Jew This just reminds me about bannon and how scared i should be
I PROMISE the big guy upstairs wants you to stop observing the Sabbath and start being at the White House on Saturdays if it stops our people from being exterminated. I PROMISE.
Love,
Glix
Edit - not that i think the settlement are okay. But as a Jew This just reminds me about bannon and how scared i should be
jellies_two
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benjipwns
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Yea his FP doesn't really have much of a direction and there is just too much confusion. Look at what Nikki Haley said today. Look at McCain calling Australia to apologize.
And now this. It's just constant confusion of messaging. Of course I agree with this message, but where is it coming from? And why even say this right now?
Not to mention I really think this job is going to have an adverse impact on this mans mental health. Days where you aren't getting enough sleep, and we all see how unhinged he can get. It's only going to get worse.
And now this. It's just constant confusion of messaging. Of course I agree with this message, but where is it coming from? And why even say this right now?
Not to mention I really think this job is going to have an adverse impact on this mans mental health. Days where you aren't getting enough sleep, and we all see how unhinged he can get. It's only going to get worse.
Ether_Snake
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Trump and co. probably aren't stupid enough to endorse the construction of new settlements, what would they gain? They won't lose support over that, and there's little support to gain either without losing some too. Outright endorsing new settlements would be opening a can of worms which would become a needless distraction for his administration, it would overplay their hand, it basically tells Israel "hey do what you want" when they can use their support or disapproval as a negotiation tactic.
Of course they don't mind the new settlements, they just don't want to take a favorable stance on it, otherwise you lose a playing card when negotiating with Israel.
For example, the "move the embassy to Jerusalem" is not to make Israel happy, it's to create a situation on which the US can negotiate one way or the other. They know right-wingers in Israel will push for it, even if the government didn't want to do it, so it gives the Trump admin a card to play with. They can also pull off from it, if they ever feel it's favorable to US interests to cancel the move. If they had never said they planned to move it there, that card wouldn't exist.
Typical modus operandi for the Trump admin. They are doing the same with Mexico. Trump admin making enemies out of every ally is to have a negotiating position they didn't have before. It's not necessarily smart, but it's how Trump does business and people around him seem to agree with proceeding this way. No doubt it will sometimes backfire.
Of course they don't mind the new settlements, they just don't want to take a favorable stance on it, otherwise you lose a playing card when negotiating with Israel.
For example, the "move the embassy to Jerusalem" is not to make Israel happy, it's to create a situation on which the US can negotiate one way or the other. They know right-wingers in Israel will push for it, even if the government didn't want to do it, so it gives the Trump admin a card to play with. They can also pull off from it, if they ever feel it's favorable to US interests to cancel the move. If they had never said they planned to move it there, that card wouldn't exist.
Typical modus operandi for the Trump admin. They are doing the same with Mexico. Trump admin making enemies out of every ally is to have a negotiating position they didn't have before. It's not necessarily smart, but it's how Trump does business and people around him seem to agree with proceeding this way. No doubt it will sometimes backfire.
What support will they lose if they did support the settlements?
Ether_Snake
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Well on its own not much, but the fallout would lead to a mess that would further discredit the administration. It would automatically kill the peace process, pushing Palestinians and Europe to move even further unilaterally or snowball into a new intifada, and in the current context probably into a larger scale problem. Not everyone who voted or will vote for Trump is some right-wing nut, a lot of them were or will be people who voted Democrats before. No point in overplaying their hand for nothing in return.
Father_Brain
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Well, that's disappointing, but I have faith that Israel will come to love Trump anyway
and that Democrats and the liberal majority of American Jews will see that.
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This new policy is to publicly condemn what Israel is doing, but to let them build the settlement s.
Ragnar Blackmane
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Well, Bannon is controlling the president, so this turn of events is not surprising. Probably the only benefit of having a Nazi pulling the strings.
But as long as Trump & Co do nothing to slap Israel's hand and keep the billions of $$$ flowing, it won't change the status quo at least.
But man, what would I give to be a fly in Netanyahu's office right now, hehe.
But as long as Trump & Co do nothing to slap Israel's hand and keep the billions of $$$ flowing, it won't change the status quo at least.
That's assuming Trump wouldn't rather have Ivanka rather in his bed than Kurshner's so to speak and wasn't marrying his daughter off for purely political gains. Seems like Trump was so Israel friendly (or rather Bibi friendly) because he wanted the support of the influental and rich Jewish circles during the election but actually didn't care that much after all, at least not enough to not be goaded by Bannon to do the opposite (at least publically) now that he doesn't need them anymore.
But man, what would I give to be a fly in Netanyahu's office right now, hehe.
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