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Trump agrees to 3-month debt limit increase
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Septimus Prime
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Except in this case, there wasn't even a compromise. Instead of taking it back to the Republicans and then opening a dialogue, he just flat out accepted the Democrats' proposal.
In 2016 it was in the future tense.
Widdle Puppy
Banned
Yup, Fox will spin this positively too not to piss off their Trump loving base.
I don't think its possible for me to disagree with you more. If chuck had to literally fellatio Trump and then Trump saved DACA or Obamacare I would call Schumer a hero.
BrassDragon
Member
He never stops amazing me. I'll give him that.
Shadow Puppetry
Member
Her tweets are apeshit insane hilarious and the bigotry she retweets...geezus.
teh_J0kerer
Member
Can someone quickly explain what this is about?
Why would Democrats want a 3 month extension, and why wouldn't Republicans want it?
Why would Democrats want a 3 month extension, and why wouldn't Republicans want it?
Republicans wanted to push it back until after midterms so they could coast through safely and then proceed with fuckery. Now they can't. 3 months from now is just far enough away that hurricane relief cant be tied to it, but a dem proposal (like reinstating daca) could.
Widdle Puppy
Banned
I'm going to assume this means congress wont waist more time trying to repeal obamacare this year?
Take care of pressing needs like Harvey funding. Once disaster season is over, they regain leverage with debt hike.
The GOP is in complete control of every branch of govt, but they don't have the votes pass a debt limit extension. So they need Democratic support, which isn't coming without concessions like legislating DACA.
Republicans want to push the debt ceiling back until after the midterms. Democrats want to force Republicans to have vote in favor of it twice. And hopefully use it as leverage to pass things like DACA.
The deal that happened was great for dems obviously, and good on Schumer sure, but I honestly feel as though this was just what Trump wanted to do for Trump feelings at that time. I doubt this was some master negotiation. Trump wanted to make some sort of Trump statement and attempt to put people in his pocket (Schumer) and make others desperate to understand why they're not in that pocket (Ryan, McConnell) because that's all that concerns him is himself in that moment.
Yeah maybe I overreacted a little, and I'm not trying to downtrodden what has happened because it is very good news or hate on Schumer specifically, but I still hate that picture. It's just the Trump bullshit circle in picture form.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
You're missing the significance of this entirely.
There is no governance here. This is a mob boss punishing his perceived henchmen. Trump's entire worldview is filtered through mafia values.
In Trump's grotesque world, the federal government is just another stage to play out his mob boss power fantasy. This 'deal' is irrational and childish.
I'm not. The debt limit has always been like playing with fire. Unfortunately, with bat shit crazy policies coming out every day, this is the only play they have left.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Because Republicans don't have the the votes with Freedom caucus crazies against raise the debt limit. Defaulting is disastrous so this gives the Dems leverage now (Harvey funds) and again in 3 months to get something else (likely DACA).
But why would Democrats impeach Trump with Republicans if Trump is working with Democrats on bills etc.? Why would they willing install Pence as President and then have Republicans destroy everything if Trump isn't working with Repubs in your scenario?
fredrancour
Member
The freedom caucus and other ultra-far-right economic true believers think that government is fundamentally immoral and would rather tank the world economy than vote to approve government spending, so Paul Ryan can't pass the bare minimum spending bills to make the government function without dem votes. He wanted an 18 month one to hide the fact that his party contains a few dozen economic terrorists until after the midterms.
Every time these things need renegotiated is also a chance for more democratic involvement in bills guaranteed to pass, which would theoretically be rare under a functional unified republican govt.
Trump manufactured bad pr for his party during an election cycle and opportunities for the other party to get things they want out of thin air by caving instantly in a negotiation.
Even if Trump starts working with the democrats I imagine a large part of the democratic base does not want Trump in office, everyone is walking on a tightrope here...
Aaron Strife
Banned
Democrats want it so they keep their leverage in three months. Demanding a clean DACA vote (probably what Pelosi and Schumer are angling for) right now with the hurricane relief funding on the line would look shitty, but that's still on the table. So is any potential Dem buy-in on tax reform or healthcare.
Had the GOP gotten a longer extension, that takes the issue off the table until after the elections and they can just focus on ruining the country. This way Democrats get to keep clogging up the schedule and maybe score some policy wins.
Because Trump fucks everyone, everyone. You take any wins you can get and never consider him an ally. Fuck him the first chance you get is the winning play while stroking his ego to further your cause in the meantime.
- Republicans don't want to have another debt limit fight anytime soon because it's extremely hard to get their own members to vote for these things. They would ideally like to have an extension that goes past the 2018 midterms so that it won't interfere with their campaigns. Right now it's easiest to get Republican votes because they can attach it to Harvey aid, meaning they don't need to rely as heavily on Democrats.
- By extending the limit only 3 months, this ensures they'll be having a massive battle at the end of the year with no Hurricane relief to give Republicans cover. They will either have to risk the government defaulting (while they have control over both houses of Congress) or they will have to bend over and give Democrats major concessions for Democratic votes.
- Democrats will be able to use this leverage to get stuff like DACA enshrined in law.
Jive Turkey
Unconfirmed Member
Trump in Art of the Deal: "My style of deal-making is simple and straightforward. I aim very high and keep pushing and pushing and pushing until I get what I want."
Trump in the Oval Office when presented with the first counter offer: "Deal!"
Haha! What a pushover. McConnell and Ryan getting hamstrung by this makes it even better.
Trump in the Oval Office when presented with the first counter offer: "Deal!"
Haha! What a pushover. McConnell and Ryan getting hamstrung by this makes it even better.
I doubt Turtle or Ryan ever liked or respected Trump.
Good. I hope Paul ryan cries into his pillow while his Rage against the machine mixtape plays at full blast.
Renegade Frost
Banned
Why keep going when someone is offering you whatever you want?
A chance to censure your bumbling underlings
he doesnt listen to them
What did they tie it to?
PeakPointMatrix
Member
Jeez it's like they're playing politics or something!
She does this from time to time. She'll be right back on the Trump train as soon as he does something racist, so within the next 5 or 10 minutes.
hodayathink
Member
I think the idea is that they're going to tie it to a clean DACA bill vote once we get to December.
SolarPowered
Member
So much for Trump being a puppet for Republicans lmao. I hope they stew in out outrage until December.
mentallyinept
Banned
If the Dems get the Dream Act across the line in December, these two will be fucking heroes.
The game isn't over, and there is 3 months left to shit the bed.
Get it done Dems.
Get. it. done.
The game isn't over, and there is 3 months left to shit the bed.
Get it done Dems.
Get. it. done.
Bruce Springsteen
Member
Operating from the minority position is always easier
Fluffernutter Pancake
Member
TROLOLOLOLOL
The whole concept of the debt ceiling is bad governance.
This is one time that this fuckery might lead to some positive outcomes for the country, so I ain't gonna be mad.
Republicans are in the majority. If the government shuts down while they have all three branches they'll look ridiculous. The leadership will never allow it.
You're right that some Republicans will prefer a shutdown, but that's exactly why they'll need to lean heavily on Democratic votes.
What is the price for those Democratic votes? DACA, and maybe some other stuff too.
So you think everyone is just not understanding what's happening? The republicans are furious for no reason and the democrats are happy for no reason?
Turtle has already signalled that they will pass this.
Coriolanus
Banned
Most very wealthy people don't give much of a fuck about dressing particularly well outside of gala events.
The rich have no need to appear rich, after all.
DietRob
i've been begging for over 5 years.
more I think about it the more I start to understand this move. I think this plays well to Trump's base. think about it most of America already has an extremely unfavorable view of Congress that unfavorable is caused by the lack of work that gets done there. He spins this is forcing Congressional Republicans to get to work and it's a win for him with his base and perhaps a win for him if Congress starts drafting legislation that fulfills his campaign promises.
He's holding the GOP Congress at gunpoint with the threat to continue to work with Dems.
I guess? I'm probably giving him too much credit in the strategy department. It's more likely that Schumer played him like a fiddle by pretending to like him and bolster his ego.
He's holding the GOP Congress at gunpoint with the threat to continue to work with Dems.
I guess? I'm probably giving him too much credit in the strategy department. It's more likely that Schumer played him like a fiddle by pretending to like him and bolster his ego.
Amibguous Cad
Member
So the Dems want to hold the world economy hostage to pass DACA? Cool. I can perceive no long term risk in institutionalizing a bi yearly game of chicken where the consequences for failure are the Second Great Depression.