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Ubisoft: "On PC, you don't usually care about performance"; just buy a bigger GPU
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Dictator93
Member
Until:
You don't have to worry about any of this on a console, and I like that.
You know categorically denying a point by google searching an image of some corner case is pretty bad argumentative form. IN fact it is horrible argumentative fanboy crappish form.
Heck, want me to talk about the Red Ring of death?
Moral Panic
Member
Consoles don't crash? News to me
AbsoluUntil:
You don't have to worry about any of this on a console, and I like that.
Shitty launch game vs. OS drivers are two different things.
No other PS4 game does that.
Until:
You don't have to worry about any of this on a console, and I like that.
I've never seen a pc ruin itself, there's this something called user input.
Though that was probably caused by your inability to use a mouse and keyboard.
chickdigger802
Banned
in the past 4 years, i don't think i've spent more than 10 minutes in a new game dicking with settings (always had mid range gaming pc parts).
Thinks break from time to time, but so has a few ps3 games i've played. pretty much every issue i've had on pc, a quick google leads me to a fix, while maybe unorthodox, a fix is a fix. On consoles, you have to wait X amount of days until the next title update which is always fun when you spend $60 or more on a new game.
pros and cons everywhere.
Thinks break from time to time, but so has a few ps3 games i've played. pretty much every issue i've had on pc, a quick google leads me to a fix, while maybe unorthodox, a fix is a fix. On consoles, you have to wait X amount of days until the next title update which is always fun when you spend $60 or more on a new game.
pros and cons everywhere.
I've got quite a few crashes on the Call of Duty and Killzone on PS4 as well
Beat Killzone, absolutely zero crashes.
Played a good deal of Fifa and AC4, and likewise.
jim-jam bongs
Member
When we all realised that the new consoles would launch at a performance level well below gaming PCs from a year ago, I began wondering what the first post-launch meltdowns would look like. I'm disappointed, I expected more from next gen meltdowns.
Sutton Dagger
Member
I'm being serious when I say this is one of the stupidest things I've ever read on GAF.
Sentenza
Member
You are talking as if he had any direct experience of what he's babbling about for pages, but he doesn't.
He just googled a random pic.
I still can't get Tomb Raider to run on my rig without it crashing or artifacting over the entire screen. Probably spent a good 5 hours reading forums, changing drivers, etc before finally giving up. Spending countless hours troubleshooting comes with the territory as a PC gamer.
Was just joking about his inability to use kb/m for gaming.
This was a recent patch note for Killzone, so some users are definitely experiencing some crashes too.
GoofsterStud
Member
So I came back from class, found my source and-
*5 pages of insane posts*
...uh ok, in case you wanted it anyway coldfoot, here's my source for the 4 million figure of GTA IV on PC. I was pretty sure I had heard of it on the Take Two financial report, so straight from the horse's mouth.
Takes into account both retail and digital. I'm no french but it's pretty easy to read with Google Translate and somebody on the previous thread had translated it already. So like I said before, I'll argue it's free money left on the table. Especially considering the digital distribution market has grown way more from 2008.
https://twitter.com/jeffgerstmann/status/400887105334697984
https://twitter.com/jeffgerstmann/status/401199164500881408
http://www.gamezone.com/news/2013/11/20/sony-offers-solutions-for-ps4-game-crashes-and-unrecognizable-discs
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Download-Now-Call-of-Duty-Ghosts-PS4-Update-to-Solve-Crashes-Fix-Bugs-401841.shtml
No problems here.
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
Remove facebook, flash, and DOTA/MMO and you're left with a very small piece of that pie. The types of games that people complain about (AAA SP + MP games with advanced graphics) here don't sell well on PC, and not just because of bad ports.
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
So... Do you have actual numbers to back up this crap or are you just pulling stuff out of your ass again? Something you've complained about from other people even when they have proof....
Why is DOTA/MMOs removed? Can we remove shooters for consoles? I feel they don't represent anything meaningful...
MMOs like The Crew, or The Division?
I've never had problems installing and running a legitimately bought game besides the occasional crash for titles with known issues. Same goes on PS3, I've had games freeze on me or enter infinite loading screens occasionally. The small amount of time I've spent troubleshooting PC games is definitely worth the results.
Also, the reason why most people have a hard time with PC crashes is because the developer did a bad job porting the game to PC. You can't complain about a system when the program you're running wasn't developed for that system.
Also, the reason why most people have a hard time with PC crashes is because the developer did a bad job porting the game to PC. You can't complain about a system when the program you're running wasn't developed for that system.
He's like the Rob Ford of NeoGAF. Very entertaining posts.
I'm glad you've left yourself an out by not defining what "selling well" means. That's worth another few yards of goalpost movement later on.
Here ya go. This article is from 2 months ago.
http://www.techspot.com/news/53536-pc-gamers-fuel-hardware-sales-in-otherwise-stagnant-market.html
Hardware sales attributed to PC gaming are rising despite tablets taking over as the household general use machine. According to JPR About $800,000,000 in hardware sales are attributed to ArmA 3. A game that is considered by the wider gaming industry to be a niche title. According to a quick calculation, that's about the same as 2 million PS4 consoles.
I've read T2 Q2 2014 financial report and also read the conference call transcript. No where in any of those talks about GTAIV PC sales. Need a more reputable source than "Gamekult" sorry.
Solid Samus
Banned
Allow me to deliberately misunderstand the context in order to justify my response
this thread is just lol
I mean nowhere does it say that PC optimization isn't important. (although coming from Ubi...) but this really amounts to cherry picking a quote and then choosing how to interpret it in order to justify otherwise nonsense responses because the original quote is about developing on consoles relative to PC. I doubt that 'buy a new GPU' is dude's excuse for not optimizing, he's just saying that unlike PS4 and Xbox 1 that's actually an option.
this thread is just lol
I mean nowhere does it say that PC optimization isn't important. (although coming from Ubi...) but this really amounts to cherry picking a quote and then choosing how to interpret it in order to justify otherwise nonsense responses because the original quote is about developing on consoles relative to PC. I doubt that 'buy a new GPU' is dude's excuse for not optimizing, he's just saying that unlike PS4 and Xbox 1 that's actually an option.
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
I think I wont remove anything and just let you continue to be wrong.
I'm sure there are many other market research companies that forecast differently. That's not really showing anything, remember PS3 predictions?
derExperte
Member
Remember when you produced any sources for the things you claimed? Me neither.
I like how he has dug himself a hole so deep that not even the other console crusaders usually seen in threads like this bother to show up.
I don't get it. You say that managing the graphical settings on PC games is a negative side of it. For many of us, it's a positive one. You complain about not liking to use KB/M until you open Steam. You could think of it like starting up a console on your PC: you just set up Steam to open on Big Picture Mode and, from now on, you just have to click on the Steam icon to open it (BPM works with a controller).
But even with all of that, I still don't get why you need to try downplaying PC to users that are very happy with it. A lot of your complaints are positive things for many people and things like crashes, like some users here are saying, don't happen usually on their PCs.
I'm a PC gamer. I once had Xbox 360, Wii and PS3 together, but now only the PS3. I'm also a developer and I have an Android/iOS game. So I don't understand why someone would try to downplay something for everyone only because he's not happy with it for his own reasons.
But even with all of that, I still don't get why you need to try downplaying PC to users that are very happy with it. A lot of your complaints are positive things for many people and things like crashes, like some users here are saying, don't happen usually on their PCs.
I'm a PC gamer. I once had Xbox 360, Wii and PS3 together, but now only the PS3. I'm also a developer and I have an Android/iOS game. So I don't understand why someone would try to downplay something for everyone only because he's not happy with it for his own reasons.
When people start buying $500 GPU's to play DOTA, you can remove them. A common thread for popular PC games is that they are not hardware intensive.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
You read their Q2 2014 financial statements?????
HOLY SHIT HE'S FROM THE FUTURE GUYS
What the hell do $500 GPUs have to do with anything?
So much misunderstanding and confusion.
jim-jam bongs
Member
"BUT THE UI"
"Actually you can have the same UI for most multiplatform games."
"BUT THE CONFIGURING TIME AND CONSTANT CRASHES"
"Most games have automatic settings profiles, and you can even use external software to optimise for your system. You're overstating the frequency of crashes, and they're not exclusive to PCs anyway."
"BUT THE SALES ARE BAD AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD"
"This data shows that PC gaming makes more money than console gaming."
"OH WELL OKAY I AM WRONG THANK YOU HAVE A NICE DAY"
"Actually you can have the same UI for most multiplatform games."
"BUT THE CONFIGURING TIME AND CONSTANT CRASHES"
"Most games have automatic settings profiles, and you can even use external software to optimise for your system. You're overstating the frequency of crashes, and they're not exclusive to PCs anyway."
"BUT THE SALES ARE BAD AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD"
"This data shows that PC gaming makes more money than console gaming."
"OH WELL OKAY I AM WRONG THANK YOU HAVE A NICE DAY"
SneakyStephan
Banned
Coldfoot pls
The quote says they asked the publisher itself ("In the figures we have been provided by the publisher"), not that it's on the financial report. The sales data itself was requested to present those charts you can see right there. I mentioned the financial report due to being the time period the article was from, so that helped me find the source I was looking for.
If you're just going to call them liars to disregard the source, there's not much else I can do. I will ask you to back up with actual sources all the posts you've done in this thread tho.
JakkuFurosu
Member
This thread golden.
At least ubi makes it easy for me to not care about their idiocy.
At least ubi makes it easy for me to not care about their idiocy.