RoyalLaFlame
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That means what? Russia will answer with an atomic war?
I think you know what an atomic war brings. This is not a videogame, you can't answer with atomic bombs everytime you want.
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Ukrainian Conflict - Donetsk Boogaloo
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I think you know what an atomic war brings. This is not a videogame, you can't answer with atomic bombs everytime you want.
dripdripsplash
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What has this thread turned into hahhahaahh ?!
Roude Leiw
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Soldiers have again no insignia, but some military trucks have Russian plates
Ukrainian base in Perevalne surrounded by Russian soldiers
people need to calm down with "nuclear war" and even full scale war... there will be none. Too much money is in question between Europe and Russia. I know it is fun to predict war and talk about it, but it is not going to be any funny for people in ukraine, russian or ukrainian. War does not solve anything in situations like these.
Guileless
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They love criticism of Pres. Obama, and Russia is good at trolling Pres. Obama.
They like Snowden because some of them think Pres. Obama wants to use drones to round up people into FEMA camps. (Not exaggerating).
They agree with Putin's critique of Western sexual mores.
They like his official state alliance with the Church.
cebri.one
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The problem is scalation, things move yo fast to stop.
One of the most beautiful sentences I have ever read on GAF xD
While I agree nothing will be done, I am wondering what a theoretical "line" would be for the world community to actually get involved. As a mental exercise, exactly how much overreaching would Russia have to do before the world said "alright shit I guess we have to do something?"
Do you think russia will do nothing when the US kills hundreds of russian soldiers?
You are in a videogame.
What would Obama do if russia would kill hundreds of US soldiers? He would not say: good job folks, I will do nothing.
Nothing regarding Ukraine at least.
RoyalLaFlame
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I know but an atomic war is no "child's play" compared to a small conflict like this. You can consider it the "last resource" for any country.
Well, it's true though
Oh someone will try and stop Russia. Want to know who I think it will? Poland. They know what Ukraine's been through and they already might have troops ready for deployment. They might be the biggest of those countries surrounding Ukraine so they might actually do something.
Just speculating though while everyone is debating Russia vs USA (like always).
To protect their naval base maybe?
But no less dangerous. If anything Russia is more dangerious, cos it actually has the balls to carry out on its threats, whereas NK is like the fat kid with a megaphone that screams abuse at everyone but gets ignored because everyone knows he's a harmless sack of shit.
maquiladora
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If you mean another country getting into direct military conflict with Russia, as long as any conflict stays confined to Ukraine then that is very unlikely to happen. Ukraine is neither an EU nor a NATO member, it has no binding security agreements.
But this is history being written, I don't know what the endgame and future consequences of what has happened and yet to happen will be for the region. The largest country on earth has invaded the largest European country. Even if this stays confined to just Crimea, the implications for security and relations in Europe and between Russia and the West in general are massive, make no mistake.
SporeCrawler
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I guess if Russia actually massacres civilians.
History has shown that binding security agreements mean nothing. There is no binding law in international politics. If a country thinks its opportun to declare war they will. If a country thinks not following a security agreement (or one-sided statement) is better for that country they wont do it.
Fantastapotamus
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Yeah. But mostly because they just can.
Well... I'm now the most terrorist in Russia.
i think if you lived in Russia you just earned a visit from the Cossacks
rooflapimp
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Kind of like the US shouting "WMDs!!" and going into Iraq... Shit's crazy
Fantastapotamus
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Cause you can't just join the EU whenever you want
and with the government in complete disarray now and their economy in tatters, I think the EU would be very hesitant anyway to even consider them at this point in time
Yeah, the more I think about this the only thing that makes sense is looking at it from a 19th century perspective: it's about Russian prestige. Seriously. They're doing this out of spite. Ukraine went against their wishes and "humiliated" them, so now they have to pay.
A few days ago I was completely mystified about their motives because from a western perspective there's no gain. They don't need Sevastopol and it wasn't even under threat to begin with. Crimea itself isn't worth risking as war over.
Seriously. It's the Crimean War all over again, only with Russia trading places. Back then it was Napoleon III wanting to restore French glory by invading Russian Crimea, now it's Putin wanting to restore Russian glory by invading Ukrainian Crimea.
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xBladeM6x
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Calling it now. Next COD is going to have a mission where you're a super secret American Navy Seal in Ukraine monitoring the advance of Russian troops to the border. Then when they actually take over the border, you go into a super secret epic war with them. Once you push them back into Russia, everyone eats McDonalds and waves American flags, and Ukraine becomes the 51st state of the US, and Russia cries about it.
In all seriousness, I get this unsettling feeling that Russia is basically going to annex / take over Ukraine, unfortunately.
In all seriousness, I get this unsettling feeling that Russia is basically going to annex / take over Ukraine, unfortunately.
and with the government in complete disarray now and their economy in tatters, I think the EU would be very hesitant anyway to even consider them at this point in time
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_Partnership_Action_Plan
Looks like Ukraine was actually working towards joining NATO until Yanukovych go into power.
SporeCrawler
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and with the government in complete disarray now and their economy in tatters, I think the EU would be very hesitant anyway to even consider them at this point in time
people shouldnt forget that the EU is not just a 'lets do something for our economy' organization.
people shouldnt forget that there was war in the middle of europe only a few decades ago and the first and foremost function of EU is to find a political centre that can deescalate any potential conflicts upfront (may it be as intra EU conflicts or conflicts between memberstates and non-EU states).
political stability or wealth shouldnt be the only consideration of the EU whom to accept as a member. EU already is a proto statelike structure they have to think strategically and have to find ways to deescalate the situation. leaving ukraine to their own fates would be fatal considering how near ukraine is to europe geographically and how quickly any conflict can escalate to other EU memberstates.
Well... I'm now the most wanted terrorist in Russia.
FSB is after you man
Not whole Ukraine of course but I don't think declaring Crimea as part of Russia is too far away now.
This is a pretty good reddit post attempting to give you a Russian perspective: http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/c...its_armed_forces_on_full_combat_alert/cfs2gz4
Also, why wouldn't they need Sevastopol? It's the primary base for the Black Sea fleet.
No way Poland will make a move unassisted, we either go in together as NATO/EU or we don't go at all. What will happen I hope, is that international community will take our opinions on eastern european matters and relations with Russia more seriously, and not dismiss them as simple fearmongering as it happened in the past. All of this could have been avoided if Eastern Partnership was honestly backed by the big EU players, not only Visegrad Group and Sweden.
NATO is not the same as the EU, but yes. A lot of this problem with Ukraine as I understand it (and I probably barely vaguely understand it because I know virtually nothing about the Ukraine) is that there was the government that was pro-Russian in a lot of ways, leaning in that direction... and there's a pro-EU faction as well that wants to go in that direction. And the people that wanted an accord with the European Union felt seriously snubbed when the government rejected it in favor of stronger ties with Russia.
I doubt Russia has any interest in attempting something like that. It certainly wouldn't be easy and would easily result in a lot of casualties in Russia's side. Might also turn out be a big blow to Putin as far as internal matters are considered.
Probably never militarily. If Russia overwhelms Ukraine and the casualties pile up, then you'll see the US/EU do something but it will almost certainly be economic or diplomatic. Shut down gas/oil imports, freeze Russian assets, issue travel bans, suspend all exchanges, and hurt Russia economically. Plus, you'll see greater engagement politically against Russia.
Militarily you just won't see it because Russia is too strong and any small conflict has the chance to be greater. We're talking about the second most powerful military on earth here, first if you count their nuclear missiles. Militarily you might see engagements if Russia starts to move towards other countries or territories. They wouldn't tolerate an entry into Poland. But even then, the last thing any country wants to do is fight a war they don't need to.
jakonovski
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Putin should've picked better than a kleptomaniac kitsch-loving Caesar LARPer that was Yanukovich, if he wanted pro Russian policies to go through. The more I think about this, the less competent Putin becomes. Just a fucked up narcissist who throws a hissy fit when his shitty plan falls through. Only he has a huge army to do it with.
Not to just pick on the above post since a few people have said similar things, but why don't people understand that Belarus is practically a Soviet republic in everything but name? And they're on good terms with the Russians, mostly.
And a big lol at Finland being next, because that worked so well last time.
True and we would pull all those F2P iOS games from the App Store to force the rest of the world to help us.
Don't be so happy about the possibility.Psychotext
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Wrong thread.
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RoyalLaFlame
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Of course they won't go unassisted. They just need some assurance if everything goes wrong there will be there someone to back them up.
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