Yeah its pretty great to see long time support outline like that.
Not to mention the SP DLC.
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Not to mention the SP DLC.
Negotiator
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The Competitive/PVP maps/modes will be free, but I'm not sure about Co-op stuff?
Yup. I think more games need to adopt this model and road map their content. Gives the game longer life imo. Don't know why people are spinning this as bad news.
DannyDanger
Member
Posts like these really piss me off...
You have no clue how much money/work/hours goes into any of these features, yet you feel you're in the position to make the call on what should be "standard" and what shouldn't be??
It's like you're only thinking about yourself... What about ppl who don't care for coop, or the ppl that are fine to play the normal campaign first, then jump into multiplayer... You want them to wait for a feature the majority won't use just because you have to wait ??
Edit: and if you don't want there to be wait i guess you want them to rush it in, to make it on launch, so you can complain about how rushed it is right?
Fine you're disappointed that you have to wait but don't act like you know for sure ND is screwing its fans over. You would rather wait for all the features, thats fine, you don't need to justify it with bullshit
Negotiator
Member
Cool then, I guess. Paid Co-op stuff don't bother me that much, since I mainly play Custom Games with friends. Competitive is different because of matchmaking.
MiamiWesker
Member
Nope never said any of that. I said repeatedly this is not good news nor is it bad news. I am sure they have their reasons. Clearly they don't want to screw people over. Still the news of coop not being available till fall is a huge disappointment for me. That news trumps all other in this thread for me. This is not a good news thread for me, it's a "damn we are not getting what was standard in the last two uncharted games at launch" thread.
Everyone seems super defensive about daring to be disappointed at anything the naughty gods do. This very well may be one of the best games ever, doesn't change the fact that not having coop at launch is disappointing.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Am I crazy for wanting relic type historical cosmetic gear for all the characters in MP?
its kinda something I have been thinking about since the Conquistador helmets in Uncharted 1, Jade weapons in Uncharted's MP and the headgear.
Its interesting cosmetic loot but actually makes some sense as these characters might encounter that type of stuff anyway.
Im talking full suits of (Conquistador, Knight, Samurai, etc) armor.
its kinda something I have been thinking about since the Conquistador helmets in Uncharted 1, Jade weapons in Uncharted's MP and the headgear.
Its interesting cosmetic loot but actually makes some sense as these characters might encounter that type of stuff anyway.
Im talking full suits of (Conquistador, Knight, Samurai, etc) armor.
TimeEffect
Member
About the modes: In UC2, a lot of them were just not good enough to be standalones. Which is why UC3 had Team Objective.
But I think looking at this new Captain mode, it seems ND is doing some good work by making traditional modes with a unique twist.
Plunder, TDM, and Command sound like they will offer great variety, and they will be beefy, standalone modes.
Team Objective existed to mix together modes like Chain Reaction and Turf Wars, which by themselves were weak modes. I dont see FFA coming back because of how team oriented this game is. I think Team Objective is too popular not to be the DLC mode. And I think they can easily throw in things like Chain Reaction, Marked Man, and Turf War into it. I definitely loved Team Objective, and I think it's great to see Killzone's fantastic MP idea in more MP games.
But I think looking at this new Captain mode, it seems ND is doing some good work by making traditional modes with a unique twist.
Plunder, TDM, and Command sound like they will offer great variety, and they will be beefy, standalone modes.
Team Objective existed to mix together modes like Chain Reaction and Turf Wars, which by themselves were weak modes. I dont see FFA coming back because of how team oriented this game is. I think Team Objective is too popular not to be the DLC mode. And I think they can easily throw in things like Chain Reaction, Marked Man, and Turf War into it. I definitely loved Team Objective, and I think it's great to see Killzone's fantastic MP idea in more MP games.
NullPointer
Member
Am happy to see the paid map pack model fade away.
Co-op is a big surprise for me as I haven't been following this game too closely, and I do hope it ends up similar to what was offered in UC2. Loved the hell out of UC2's co-op, mainly adventure mode, but siege as well.
Killzone Shadowfall also had its co-op mode launch seven months after release, and it was a ghost town in weeks. Hope this one fairs better.
Co-op is a big surprise for me as I haven't been following this game too closely, and I do hope it ends up similar to what was offered in UC2. Loved the hell out of UC2's co-op, mainly adventure mode, but siege as well.
Killzone Shadowfall also had its co-op mode launch seven months after release, and it was a ghost town in weeks. Hope this one fairs better.
DannyDanger
Member
Re-reading you're comments i guess i overracted alittle, my fault
TDM is not a "beefy standalone mode". It's just two teams shooting each other until you get to a certain score. The only thing that looks kind of unique is the Command mode. And I certainly don't see "great variety" in having three modes.
FFA was a fantastic addition to UC3, a game that is just as "team oriented" as UC4. It's a huge disappointment to not see it here.
Actually we dont really know what it is sounds fun though.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Agreed, lol.
Man, some of these gamers would not have lasted in the 80's with those $70-90, 4 hour experiences.
Oh okay, because that's basically what my mind jumped too originally and I assumed "co-op" that was coming was actually going to be like the co-op adventures in UC3 which had more of a storyline and structure.
Speaking of something positive and completely out of the blue I never expected them to bring back the cinema features from uc2 that's completely unexpected and actually a very welcome addition.
bitbydeath
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
ND isnt matching what ND was offering. Coop was available at launch in the last two games. It's not anymore. Now it's a DLC item. I dont think it's going to make or break the game, but i think it's interesting that the game got twice the dev time and is still lacking features.
ND is in a league of its own. Their games are in a league of their own. No one gives a shit about The Order, QB or TR when they talk about best games of the generation or all time. But Uncharted 2 and TLOU are almost always part of the discussion if not leading the charge. ND plays by a different set of rules and they deserve criticism when they fail to deliver.
I am interested in seeing just what the hell went behind the scenes with this game. TWO major firings, one director change, MULTIPLE delays. They can make a movie off of this shit.
It's funny to see so many fans just refusing to accept criticism of their favorite devs. You can be a fan, and i am one of the biggest ND fans, and still criticize them from time to time. more importantly though, as a fan i am interested to see what went wrong and why. 4.5 years is a long time to make a game even if the team was split in two.
SolarMystic
Member
Free maps with paid vanity items is the correct way to do multiplayer dlc these days. No fragmentation.
Negotiator
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Ask Robert Cogburn about it.
Would be nice too hear details about tickrate and other network related details like lag compensation and how they are handling host ended games.
Since the game is p2p client based the tickrate it isn't as important as in server based games games like Battlefield(40hz) and Rainbow Six(60hz). Call of Duty on consoles has had 16(hz) tickrate but since all the player interactions running in the client it still feels solid for the end user.
I hope new maps arrive before I lose my interest in the game. Something similar to happened to me with Battlefront. Somewhat I was burnt by playing the same similar maps and I felt a disconnect, couldn't get back in after the weapon balance changes etc etc. even for the new content. There are new maps I haven't played.
And of course we're talking about ND here. They can radically "re-balance" (read: screw up) the game post launch. Hope that doesn't happen with UC4, any re-balance should be done in increments before the game feels like a different game.
And of course we're talking about ND here. They can radically "re-balance" (read: screw up) the game post launch. Hope that doesn't happen with UC4, any re-balance should be done in increments before the game feels like a different game.
Negotiator
Member
It's equally important in p2p games. Host = server.
At the very least, they should give us a tickrate slider (10-60 Hz) for Custom Games.
ps: I'm not sure if Jaguar can handle the increased CPU load though...
XxRampage07xX
Member
It's disappointing yet reasonable.
"Free" DLC -> Longer lifespan of the game -> More sales.
Did you played closed and public multiplayer beta?
Negotiator
Member
Most of us did, it's just that no one from ND has discussed this subject in public.
I love the transparency that comes from discussing their MP roadmap plans with us, so I guess they could also talk about their (hopefully improved?) netcode...
Little Old Man
Member
Really looking forward to sinking some good hours into multiplayer, even more so now!
What's the single player DLC situation?
What's the single player DLC situation?
dude did you realise this game its just bigger in every way compared to the old ones. they had to make everything from the ground up. this is not u2 to u3 situation. its easy when you have the same gameplay same level design and make a sequel. the work in uncharted is almost the same as new ip. the difference is they already have the story, the characters, etc. please think before you talk on what's going on at nd.
if there was u5 i would guess those features would be there day one.
uncharted 4 is huge, full of details. hell that shit looks like those poster from paradise islands.
Melfice7
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I did, and it seems to have the same problems other Uncharteds and TLoU had
Negotiator
Member
Just curious... would people be willing to endure a 4th delay until late 2017, just for the sake of getting a "full" product?
TimeEffect
Member
MP needs to be supported somehow if it wants to live. That's usually through map dlc, which hurts the community.
We now get that map DLC for free, so it gets subsidized in other ways.
We have 8 MP maps at launch. That's about standard these days. What modes did you realistically want to see launched with the MP? Team Objective is the big one, but I am sure that will come with the miscellaneous modes tossed in.
Outside of the modes, what else is lacking? Besides the co-op, which is not something that we are necessarily guaranteed to have every installation.
I mean, they could have not done any co-op plans at all. It's not like Last of Us was any less of a game without it, right?
Maybe instead of doing a basic co-op mode, we'll get something more promising as ND puts the work into making it special, and making it on their own schedule
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
ProTip: It would still be DLC, because the disc is already maxed at 48GB with single player content.
And no, I would rather have the complete single player experience, the multiplayer as is, and have it feel more refreshed with added content over time.
Main things I wanted at launch that I thought were reasonable? At least a couple of remade maps alongside the new ones (UC3 came with four), an FFA mode, a team objective mode, a classic mode, and some kind of co-op (was hoping for co-op adventure).
And just because I wanted it at launch doesn't mean I wanted a basic co-op mode. I think it would have been reasonable to expect a really fleshed out MP experience so long after the release of UC3. I know that's not what we're getting, but I don't think it's unreasonable at all to have expected it.
It's equally important in p2p games. Host = server.
At the very least, they should give us a tickrate slider (10-60 Hz) for Custom Games.
ps: I'm not sure if Jaguar can handle the increased CPU load though...
What was TLoU's tickrate like? Felt pretty good but there were moments when it was a bit dodge.
Slower-paced than this, anyway.
nycgamer4ever
Member
In the long run, as crappy as it looks initially, this is the best decision for the longevity of the game. It ensures that the game will have some legs and people will be playing the mp for a while which is good for all of us who plan to play for a long time. Would we rather have everything at launch but not many people to play with three month later with very little support?
To add to this I think ND's priority is clearly to provide the best single player campaign in the Uncharted Franchise to date, which is what the game is really all about. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of this post game mp content is not done yet. Now ask yourself would you rather they rushed everything to release it together or delay the game 6 months to release with everything together? And if they released everything now what would there be for future support?
nycgamer4ever
Member
You're right. I'm just too busy being like
ROFLMAO!
No. Well, the co-op would definitely benefit more from being at launch and having a bunch of players. But I would have expected a really full-featured MP at launch, and then be ecstatic to learn of free continued support! Instead we're getting basically a half-featured MP at best, along with free continued support.
TimeEffect
Member
I dont think map remakes are reasonable to expect. These maps are made for a much different UC MP. I also think people would have really been complaining about old maps for a new game and seen it as lazy work (if it was a part of the launch maps)
Also, old maps would take up significant time and resources
The only real thing we're lacking is Team Objective, but I think it's the most likely mode to come back.
I also think classic mode would be too redundant if it was just stripped down UC4. It would be easy to do, but very lazy. Im hoping they can work out something better than UC3 classic
Im hoping co-op is worth the wait.
Preach it
Sarcasm?
Why is it weird? So far I hope only vanity items are what cost real dollars.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
They really need to make these interesting though, just hats and gun camo won't cut it.
Like $2-$3.99 For something like that is okay imo(if usable by multiple characters)
And do a new version of
