funkystudent
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What do you consider Nintendo's most illogical or baffling decision?
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I'm fairly certain the music wasn't sped up like that on actual HW. I grew up on that game
Edit: Clearly my memory is complete shit lol. Looked at videos and it seems the game speed is right on real hardware, but the music is speedy. The actual game ran too fast on VC
JershJopstin
Banned
While it might seem weird, that one made sense. With the 3DS and Wii U, Nintendo started* to aim for a slightly more complete experience with the Virtual Console emulation. This is reflected in NOA's choice to not brand the Wii eShop releases as Virtual Console games. Additionally, it'd take a bit of work to get proper GCN controller support in a hardware based emulation solution given that the Wii U doesn't have native support for GCN controllers.
*Yes, I know they still don't compare to modern emulators, but it's evident they were aiming for a consistent experience.
chronic_archaic
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Yeah. Why emulate it when you can run it perfectly on hardware?
So then why were there Wii games on the Wii U Virtual Console? And the majority of GameCube games don't require analog triggers.
TheChocolateWar
Member
Kirby treatment. Needs more 3D.
I was baffled by Nintendo grooming Iwata as next president, as he was no businessman, just a mere honest gamemaker. Let's make him president of our multibilliondollar industry, very illogical.
Turned out quite well in the end though, remember vehemently defending the guy when the pitchforks were drawn. I would never defend his predecessor.
Turned out quite well in the end though, remember vehemently defending the guy when the pitchforks were drawn. I would never defend his predecessor.
McMoneyman
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I would probably go with this one.
No supplying power adapters for European handhelds on the premises that everyone had one from the DS.
Of course the idea that people may have sold their DS to help fund the purchase of the 3DS never entered their minds. I could at least party understand it if they used Micro USB but they used their own proprietary connector.
Oh, and region locking a handheld was just dumb, dumb, dumb but at least they've seen sense for the Switch.
Of course the idea that people may have sold their DS to help fund the purchase of the 3DS never entered their minds. I could at least party understand it if they used Micro USB but they used their own proprietary connector.
Oh, and region locking a handheld was just dumb, dumb, dumb but at least they've seen sense for the Switch.
Tripping will always be the biggest wtf to me...why would you even do that...how is that fun?!
Real talk though, the abysmal Wii-U launch...the system has an okay lineup now...that it's fucking dead.
slackern1nja
Banned
Weapon durability in BoTW.
NinjaCoachZ
Member
This is exactly what makes it so weird. There was a GCN adapter for Wii U. It was only officially supported by Smash Bros., even though homebrew allows it to be used universally.
I can kind of maybe get the lack of GCN on eShop if they wanted to hold it back for Switch (since Wii U was pretty clearly past the point of no return by then) or ensure it had all the proper emulation features, but the adapter only working with Smash makes no sense. Would've been cool for TP HD, Wind Waker HD, or Mario Kart 8 to support it.
There were a lot of folks on GAF who defended this practice as being good for us. "They saved us money by not including something we probably don't need, and if you do need it, you can just buy it."
TheChewyWaffles
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Wii U "me too" tablet design. Horrid.
This actually turned me off from the game. Weapons breaking every couple of mobs is no fun. I feel like I'm juggling my shield and weapon more than I am exploring. I hate that design decision.
This actually turned me off from the game. Weapons breaking every couple of mobs is no fun. I feel like I'm juggling my shield and weapon more than I am exploring. I hate that design decision.
JershJopstin
Banned
1. At least in the US, they specifically weren't branded as Virtual Console.
2. Nintendo didn't seem to like implementing non-native controllers for native emulation; just look at the Wii eShop releases.
EDIT:
Yes, there was an adapter, but I doubt there was enough sold to justify an entire line of software that required it to function properly.
chronic_archaic
Member
This is forgivable for me - what isn't is having to buy a hard drive enclosure because your USB ports can't power a laptop drive. Oh, but our previous console that can't even use them official can. :\
Refusing to go online for multiplayer games like New SMB, Mario 3D world, Mario Party...
Region lock on handhelds (DSi to New 3DS)
Four Swords on 3DS being offered only on certain moments.
No four swords on DS or DS/Wii.
The way Tri Force Heroes online works (have to be 3 players or no party)
The last 3 could be minor to most but I find it baffling that in 2017 I can't just download four swords on any nintendo console, invite a froend or just find a random stranger (or more) and play.
They made many weird choices in the past, they are much better now imo.
Region lock on handhelds (DSi to New 3DS)
Four Swords on 3DS being offered only on certain moments.
No four swords on DS or DS/Wii.
The way Tri Force Heroes online works (have to be 3 players or no party)
The last 3 could be minor to most but I find it baffling that in 2017 I can't just download four swords on any nintendo console, invite a froend or just find a random stranger (or more) and play.
They made many weird choices in the past, they are much better now imo.
purseowner
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Kirby and the Rainbow Curse breaking the streak of every Kirby game being a masterpiece.
Skyward Sword breaking the streak of every 3D Zelda being a masterpiece.
Skyward Sword breaking the streak of every 3D Zelda being a masterpiece.
chronic_archaic
Member
I'm confused. Are you saying they didn't want to add GamePad support for games that used Wii Remote/Nunchuk?
Geno Breaker
Banned
Wii games already have a Home page to open up. You can easily exit the game, reset it, and mess with some controller settings. It's also just one generation behind and it wasn't old enough for the audience to want save states, mandatory GamePad support, and other fancy things that come with emulators. Plenty of GCN games use analog triggers for nuance and subtle movements. Remove the functionallity or go through some other alternative and you automatically have a lesser experience.
Chittagong
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This one is pretty high on the list of inexplicable idiocy.
NOA eatablished a box art style like this:
Half a year later, NOE decided that the style doesn't quite work for their market. So they must create a new design system for Europe:
Scandinavian markets (and probably others) protested all the way through to launch, but the idiots at NOE wouldn't budge.
NOA eatablished a box art style like this:
Half a year later, NOE decided that the style doesn't quite work for their market. So they must create a new design system for Europe:
Scandinavian markets (and probably others) protested all the way through to launch, but the idiots at NOE wouldn't budge.
JershJopstin
Banned
I'm more getting at the lack of pro controller support. There's practically 0 reason for that since they added the GamePad for classic controller games, yet they left it out. If they never added Off-TV for Wii games, I doubt they would've added GamePad support either (but that's speculation).
Jonneh3003
Banned
This one is pretty high on the list of inexplicable idiocy.
NOA eatablished a box art style like this:
Half a year later, NOE decided that the style doesn't quite work for their market. So they must create a new design system for Europe:
Scandinavian markets (and probably others) protested all the way through to launch, but the idiots at NOE wouldn't budge.
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We didn't even get a Gold Cart until Majora's Mask </3
They made two versions. One that ran too slow and the other one is too fast. You might have played the first version. Haven't really compared them to see how the game speed actually is, I just thought it would be faster since the music is, and from what I remembered it was faster gameplay too.
So glad they used cartridges for n64 . Going back now you aren't plagued with unbearable load times.
Honestly it's baffling to me how they don't ever build on their previous online systems.
Wii had bad ass tracking that showed time played, how many times played, average time played by all users etc... plus you could gift games to friends.
Wiiu has bare bones tracking but they gave us a very competent online system that got rid of friend codes and gave us miiverse which I LOVE. Making diaries, taking and sharing pictures and talking about games in each community is great.
Now Switch is starting from scratch again and had an even worse time tracker and a very bare bones online with no movers and the return of friend codes.
It's just weird.
Honestly it's baffling to me how they don't ever build on their previous online systems.
Wii had bad ass tracking that showed time played, how many times played, average time played by all users etc... plus you could gift games to friends.
Wiiu has bare bones tracking but they gave us a very competent online system that got rid of friend codes and gave us miiverse which I LOVE. Making diaries, taking and sharing pictures and talking about games in each community is great.
Now Switch is starting from scratch again and had an even worse time tracker and a very bare bones online with no movers and the return of friend codes.
It's just weird.
Labombadog
Member
Going with cartriges instead of CDs for the N64 which costed them many 3rd party devs to go with Sony.
Finale Fireworker
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The biggest thing for me is the continuously pathetic mismanagement of the Virtual Console. Nobody has a legacy of evergreen titles like Nintendo. And yet, they cannot for the life of them provide permanent access to this catalog in a desirable or meaningful way.
The Wii U VC was so bad. The 3DS VC is basically non-existent. Show some respect for your own history and maintain your library with dignity, Nintendo. Better emulation, better access, and better messaging is a necessity for me that has been unmet for an entire generation. It has strongly influenced my perspective of the brand and my loyalty to the company over the last several years. It sucks.
(This is also currently my complaint against the PlayStation 4, so maybe it's an industry complaint more than a Nintendo-centric one.)
The Wii U VC was so bad. The 3DS VC is basically non-existent. Show some respect for your own history and maintain your library with dignity, Nintendo. Better emulation, better access, and better messaging is a necessity for me that has been unmet for an entire generation. It has strongly influenced my perspective of the brand and my loyalty to the company over the last several years. It sucks.
(This is also currently my complaint against the PlayStation 4, so maybe it's an industry complaint more than a Nintendo-centric one.)
TeamLeftMatch
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The paid online system just for the fact that they thought letting us Rent the old nes/snes game was a proper incentive to pay for it.
At least with PS+ and Gold you keep the game so if you have a backlog you can hold it off.
At least with PS+ and Gold you keep the game so if you have a backlog you can hold it off.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
Can't access the system OS, browser, game notes, miiverse, friends list, streetpass, and all the other 3DS features when the GBA games are running natively.
Plus they're blurry, dark, and butt ugly if the ambassador games are any indication.
Zelmardonpoktendo
Banned
RARE RARE RARE RARE - stupid
Going all out for the NES classic with the. NEw console just 3 months away that's going to replace their 2nd biggest failure would be the most baffling Nintendo thing ever
afternoon delight
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The failure of Virtual Console tops even Gamecube's DVD rejection.
Though the 3DS not including a charger is a close #2.
Though the 3DS not including a charger is a close #2.
I think this might be one of their best decisions. Especially if the do more mobile games.
It's time to use current hardware anyway.
This might still be my #1, too. Especially considering how damn good Gamecube games looked in progressive. Incredibly weird that Nintendo not only made it so hard to see the games look their best, but made the Wii's image output quality worse even through component. They really had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the HD era. Could be argued they're still not entirely there yet, even.
Releasing Xenoblade as a GAMESTOP EXCLUSIVE, like two years after its Japanese release. It was their best Wii game and they didn't care. Of course, now they're acting like they've cared about the IP all along.
They also gave Pandora's Tower and The Last Story, two excellent and underrated games, to third party distributors because they didn't want to localize them themselves.
NOA used to be straight up garbage. I'd say right up until the Bayonetta 2 era.
They also gave Pandora's Tower and The Last Story, two excellent and underrated games, to third party distributors because they didn't want to localize them themselves.
NOA used to be straight up garbage. I'd say right up until the Bayonetta 2 era.
rochellepaws
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Their handling of Xenoblade was very strange. They had a masterpiece on their hands and they shipped it in very limited supply to Europe and attempted to not bring it at all to the US.
Jaded Alyx
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Vital Tundra
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N64 using cartridges is probably their biggest long term blunder. It forever laid the groundwork for terrible third party relations. If they went CD they could have had the biggest games of the generation but instead Sony snatch them up and gave Sony a foothold to utterly dominate them for the next 2 generations.
Ouch! :[
Great little game.
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